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Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1118	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:57:00 - [1] - Quote Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Taskanoss Imperial Instinct 8	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:59:00 - [2] - Quote You know you love this game, and no matter how much your FOTM gets nerfed you will find another...and keep playing. I got your back Bro Beans!
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1118	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:02:00 - [3] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: You know you love this game, and no matter how much your FOTM gets nerfed you will find another...and keep playing. Ive always been Caldari equipment. Since ck.o sent, logi, and assault ( not a good scout)was up/op till now. And guess what i always will be We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2237	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:02:00 - [4] - Quote If they move codebreakers to highs wouldn't mind shield tank being nerfed. But, shouldn't theybuff armor penalty instead of ner shield? That makes more sense to me. PSN Sil4ntChaozz *The Vertigo Ninja* Think Plan>Determination
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 596	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:11:00 - [5] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. This week in: "Jacques wildly speculates and provides no context" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1119	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:12:00 - [6] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. This week in: "Jacques wildly speculates and provides no context" Fixed for you We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Badgerr Rager Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 811	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:14:00 - [7] - Quote They just made Caldari Heavy in a good place. Not overpowering and really balanced in my opinion. If they nerf the shields on the scouts, it will in return nerf Caldari Heavy and Commando. Like that will make these suits useless because we already have a flux grenade that will take out most if not all of our shields now. They nerf it, good luck to all those people who skilled into it... People always complaining before giving it time and seeing. A patch came out, things changed, people cannot kill so they complain because they NEED to adapt to these changes but they don't and find it too difficult. Ritatti, start listening to the players who play a lot and have used majority of suits for a while. Not these people who cry cry cry because "Omg I cannot kill now., they nerfed my ****" Come on people. One day, I would like to be good at this game
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1119	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:16:00 - [8] - Quote Badgerr Rager wrote: They just made Caldari Heavy in a good place. Not overpowering and really balanced in my opinion. If they nerf the shields on the scouts, it will in return nerf Caldari Heavy and Commando. Like that will make these suits useless because we already have a flux grenade that will take out most if not all of our shields now. They nerf it, good luck to all those people who skilled into it... People always complaining before giving it time and seeing. A patch came out, things changed, people cannot kill so they complain because they NEED to adapt to these changes but they don't and find it too difficult. Ritatti, start listening to the players who play a lot and have used majority of suits for a while. Not these people who cry cry cry because "Omg I cannot kill now., they nerfed my ****" Come on people. I agree the only thing i dont like about some scouts is i can't see them no matter how many precision enhancers i put on We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2105	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:41:00 - [9] - Quote You say that as though You can play shield w/o stacking plates as well. Because you wanted to be something you're not. A hero. Do you feel like one now?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2648	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:42:00 - [10] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. I don't really understand what you are saying. I apologized if I miss something but you have basically said something that is a non sequitur. I cannot see how a nerf to Scout will nerf Shield Tanking. It is not as if you said something along the lines of "Nerfing the Blaster is a nerf to a Tank's survivability." Please elaborate. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6025	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:48:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think that this will be as significant a nerf to scouts as you think it might be perceived. Not to mention they are looking at armor penalties as well. I think this is merely a way to take King HP down a notch by requiring a greater sacrifice. I doubt shields will get near as hard as armor given how low they are compared within tiers to armor mods. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1975	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:52:00 - [12] - Quote Scouts need a Nerf, right now they are better assault suits instead of scouts the most combat a scout should see is skirmishing enemy lines, not being on the goddamn line. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1120	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:52:00 - [13] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. I don't really understand what you are saying. I apologized if I miss something but you have basically said something that is a non sequitur. I cannot see how a nerf to Scout will nerf Shield Tanking. It is not as if you said something along the lines of "Nerfing the Blaster is a nerf to a Tank's survivability." Please elaborate. They are adding a strafe speed penality to shield ext to try to nerf the cal scout We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1975	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:00:00 - [14] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: They are adding a strafe speed penality to shield ext to try to nerf the cal scout Well that is dumb, and doesn't make any sense but honestly I feel more for my assault and heavy than my damn scout. I'm tired of all the stupid strafing, especially from scouts but nerfing shields again is unwarranted. Do you have a link? Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6025	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:02:00 - [15] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: They are adding a strafe speed penality to shield ext to try to nerf the cal scout Well that is dumb, and doesn't make any sense but honestly I feel more for my assault and heavy than my damn scout. I'm tired of all the stupid strafing, especially from scouts but nerfing shields again is unwarranted. Do you have a link? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2469069#post2469069 Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3300	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:22:00 - [16] - Quote If you play based on RP and not FOTM, then you should suffer the consequences of that choice. If shield tanking and Caldari suits/weapons drops from the meta then you stop using it and move on to the new meta. That's how you win, if you are unwilling to make the change then you must wait until shields and caldari come back into the meta.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1975	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:26:00 - [17] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. I don't really understand what you are saying. I apologized if I miss something but you have basically said something that is a non sequitur. I cannot see how a nerf to Scout will nerf Shield Tanking. It is not as if you said something along the lines of "Nerfing the Blaster is a nerf to a Tank's survivability." Please elaborate. They are adding a strafe speed penality to shield ext to try to nerf the cal scout If I read it right only the plates were getting a strafe reduction and shields were getting a profile increase Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6025	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:38:00 - [18] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Trying to nerf scouts will indirectly nerf all shield tanking. Weeeee planetside 2 is looking really good ccp. I don't really understand what you are saying. I apologized if I miss something but you have basically said something that is a non sequitur. I cannot see how a nerf to Scout will nerf Shield Tanking. It is not as if you said something along the lines of "Nerfing the Blaster is a nerf to a Tank's survivability." Please elaborate. They are adding a strafe speed penality to shield ext to try to nerf the cal scout If I read it right only the plates were getting a strafe reduction and shields were getting a profile increase https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2469976#post2469976 CCP Rattati wrote: In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless? The idea would be to normalize the strafe penalty on HP added. Why would that be unfair? With Extenders granting lower HP than Plates, obviously we would be talking about way lower penalties. Dual brick tanking should, however, be extremely slowing. Someone said, just make them all strafe slower, but that "is" punishing everyone for the sins of the few. There were discussions among a few people about the profile penalty, but that was not from Rattati. Perhaps he decides to pick that idea up, but at this point Extenders would also get a strafing penalty, albeit smaller than armor. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1121	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:40:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: If you play based on RP and not FOTM, then you should suffer the consequences of that choice. If shield tanking and Caldari suits/weapons drops from the meta then you stop using it and move on to the new meta. That's how you win, if you are unwilling to make the change then you must wait until shields and caldari come back into the meta. This game isnt based on fotm. They want balanced gameplay not this is obviously better so lets use this. I expected something smarter out of n era scrub We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 09:15:00 - [20] - Quote I brought this up many times when I was promoting side arms only scouts. How scouts can not be balanced because they are interconnected with every other class. It won't be the last time I am sure, but rattatati did say something about being able to put penalties on individual classes so we will see how it plays out. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc

Badgerr Rager Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 813	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:51:00 - [21] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: You say that as though You can play shield w/o stacking plates as well. You do get penalties and that is shield regen..... Derpp ? One day, I would like to be good at this game
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2232	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:10:00 - [22] - Quote Jacques, Why all the PS2 rants? Is that really necessary? More to the point, do you really think scouts aren't OP? Even if you don't and think this is truly the death of shield tanking, isn't it better to see how it plays out? My sense is that CCP will get it right...eventually...and recent Dust history has shown this to be correct. I see no reason to throw in the towel based on a forum post not yet implemented -- that's just being silly.
hfderrtgvcd 1224	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:11:00 - [23] - Quote Rattati will listen to feedback. He has already said ne is reconsidering it, and if he does do it, the penalty will be small. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1129	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:16:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Jacques, Why all the PS2 rants? Is that really necessary? More to the point, do you really think scouts aren't OP? Even if you don't and think this is truly the death of shield tanking, isn't it better to see how it plays out? My sense is that CCP will get it right...eventually...and recent Dust history has shown this to be correct. I see no reason to throw in the towel based on a forum post not yet implemented -- that's just being silly. I've been here long enough to know if they don't get it right the first time it will take months to fix. Look at rr right now. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals


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