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Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 279	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote There have been a few times I have come across almost untouchable shield tanks. One time 3 swarmers 2 grenades and we got him down to 50% armor and he healed up and fled in seconds. In this second scene I unloaded every swarm from my advanced swarm launcher and threw 2 grenades at this tank and didn't even get through his shields and the next time I faced him I got 2 fg shots off that didn't do anything then he hmg me to death. These tanks were all shield tanks that used hardeners It seems a lot like the ads problem. Anyone else run into them or is it just me? The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 280	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:10:00 - [2] - Quote There have been a few times I have come across almost untouchable shield tanks. One time 3 swarmers 2 grenades and we got him down to 50% armor and he healed up and fled in seconds. In this second scene I unloaded every swarm from my advanced swarm launcher and threw 2 grenades at this tank and didn't even get through his shields and the next time I faced him I got 2 fg shots off that didn't do anything then he hmg me to death. These tanks were all shield tanks that used hardeners It seems a lot like the ads problem. Anyone else run into them or is it just me? The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 539	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:14:00 - [3] - Quote Seems like some 1 is running the tripple hardener fit again. Pro tip: dont try to attack a shield tank when hes flashing cause your weapons will do only minimal damage. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15055	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:15:00 - [4] - Quote Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 811	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:16:00 - [5] - Quote Umm... You're doing it wrong? Swarms vs shields? Swarms vs hardened shields? Av nades vs shields??? Y u do dat!!! Flux nades, then swarms, or if you are close enough for nades, maybe try the PLC? Only 12,000 SP... I think working as intended. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
rithu T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 231	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:18:00 - [6] - Quote Use plasma canons or flux nades. Then finish em using swarms.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 811	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:18:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance The PLC is quite viable now, just people don't want to admit it so they can get a fire and forget anti shield weapon. Or the scrambler lance, which I'm not against. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15055	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:19:00 - [8] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance The PLC is quite viable now, just people don't want to admit it so they can get a fire and forget anti shield weapon. Or the scrambler lance, which I'm not against. Hows that PLC working for you against skilled Python pilots? Or Tanks that dont commit the cardinal sin of stopping? Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 811	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:24:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance The PLC is quite viable now, just people don't want to admit it so they can get a fire and forget anti shield weapon. Or the scrambler lance, which I'm not against. Hows that PLC working for you against skilled Python pilots? Or Tanks that dont commit the cardinal sin of stopping? Still working as intended. Its only for CQC purposes, and for alpha scaring. Either they stay and try to kill me, in which they die, or they run away(for tanks at least). The Python is still the same deal, except no one in their right mind gets killed by PLCs in a dropship, and also, I don't constitute that as CQC play. This why I would like the scrambler lance, but no fire and forget stuff. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 279	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:25:00 - [10] - Quote I will give flux a go next time I see a shield tanker. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk

The Master Race Immortal Guides 280	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote I will give flux a go next time I see a shield tanker I have a feeling I will just get hmged though. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15055	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:26:00 - [12] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance The PLC is quite viable now, just people don't want to admit it so they can get a fire and forget anti shield weapon. Or the scrambler lance, which I'm not against. Hows that PLC working for you against skilled Python pilots? Or Tanks that dont commit the cardinal sin of stopping? Still working as intended. Its only for CQC purposes, and for alpha scaring. Either they stay and try to kill me, in which they die, or they run away(for tanks at least). The Python is still the same deal, except no one in their right mind gets killed by PLCs in a dropship, and also, I don't constitute that as CQC play. This why I would like the scrambler lance, but no fire and forget stuff. Im just curious how you act like because PLC has bonus shield damage, it somehow stacks up the numurous, more effective anti Armor AV in the game. Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 279	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:31:00 - [13] - Quote He is using the term more effective very lightly :D. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 280	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:31:00 - [14] - Quote He is using the term more effective very lightly :D. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 811	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:33:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because CCP, in all their glorious wisdom, has decided that having mostly anti armor AV in a game with Armor AND Shield vehicles = balance The PLC is quite viable now, just people don't want to admit it so they can get a fire and forget anti shield weapon. Or the scrambler lance, which I'm not against. Hows that PLC working for you against skilled Python pilots? Or Tanks that dont commit the cardinal sin of stopping? Still working as intended. Its only for CQC purposes, and for alpha scaring. Either they stay and try to kill me, in which they die, or they run away(for tanks at least). The Python is still the same deal, except no one in their right mind gets killed by PLCs in a dropship, and also, I don't constitute that as CQC play. This why I would like the scrambler lance, but no fire and forget stuff. Im just curious how you act like because PLC has bonus shield damage, it somehow stacks up the numurous, more effective anti Armor AV in the game. You know, I'm as concerned as you. Literally everything in the vehicle play is anti armor, there are no (real) anti shield threats. Blasters you're joking CCP... PLC? Come on, an arc? How am I going to hit a Python? I only stated it was at East viable against HAVs, which is what the thread is about. Pythons shouldn't have come up, but they did. Drop ships are always the tricky ones to balance. I think CCP had the right idea with the resistance to swarms, I just think that they overreacted when they shouldn't have. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15057	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:39:00 - [16] - Quote Sorry, I brought my own concerns as an armor pilot into the thread. Its just the single most irritating thing in this game, and Rat seems to not understand this at all. He has on multiple occasions implied or straight up stated that if one vehicle is performing well, so too by extension, is the other. Its just frustrating beyond belief. Sorry for getting off topic, carry on. Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 957	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:45:00 - [17] - Quote We need the Amarr/Minmatar Light AV weapons (Breach MD could/should be repurposed for this) and the Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar Heavy AV weapons. No ifs, ands or buts, we need all of them before balance can be achieved. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1872	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:47:00 - [18] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Umm... You're doing it wrong? Swarms vs shields? Swarms vs hardened shields? Av nades vs shields??? Y u do dat!!! Flux nades, then swarms, or if you are close enough for nades, maybe try the PLC? Only 12,000 SP... I think working as intended. flux nades do minimal damage when shields are hardened.. insted of 80% resist to explosive its 60% resist to EM (flux) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 816	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:50:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sorry, I brought my own concerns as an armor pilot into the thread. Its just the single most irritating thing in this game, and Rat seems to not understand this at all. He has on multiple occasions implied or straight up stated that if one vehicle is performing well, so too by extension, is the other. Its just frustrating beyond belief. Sorry for getting off topic, carry on. Agreed fellow Incubus pilot. I imagine it hurts even more to you as you actually play PC competitively and have more dedication than I. Also, great respect to you for apologizing. Few others in this forum have the balls to. o7 Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 816	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Umm... You're doing it wrong? Swarms vs shields? Swarms vs hardened shields? Av nades vs shields??? Y u do dat!!! Flux nades, then swarms, or if you are close enough for nades, maybe try the PLC? Only 12,000 SP... I think working as intended. flux nades do minimal damage when shields are hardened.. insted of 80% resist to explosive its 60% resist to EM (flux) Well... It is better than AV nades. They also do more damage to start than regular AV nades I believe. Something like 1200 for basic. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15057	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:53:00 - [21] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sorry, I brought my own concerns as an armor pilot into the thread. Its just the single most irritating thing in this game, and Rat seems to not understand this at all. He has on multiple occasions implied or straight up stated that if one vehicle is performing well, so too by extension, is the other. Its just frustrating beyond belief. Sorry for getting off topic, carry on. Agreed fellow Incubus pilot. I imagine it hurts even more to you as you actually play PC competitively and have more dedication than I. Also, great respect to you for apologizing. Few others in this forum have the balls to. o7 I actually don't play PC for the most part, but ty o7 Im getting my ps3 fixed and getting a replacement HDMI converter so in about a month im gonna start posting dust vids to my youtube again, though ill be focusing strictly on dropship and HAV tutorials, though mostly dropships since im a pretty terribad tanker lol Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3500	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:53:00 - [22] - Quote Galmmando V with PLC Prof. V & Reload V Even the standard hits like a truck, particularly if you can hit the weak spot on the back of an HAV or the hood of an LAV. The amount of DPS you can get out of these things if you max them out is pretty insane. So popping shield HAVs? No problem, use the PLC and not swarms. Dropships are another issue entirely. The increased projectile speed allows you to hit the dropship now, but landing consecutive shots against a skill pilot is damn near impossible to do consistently. At the very least you can drive the dropship off temporarily, but killing them with a PLC is very difficult if the enemy pilot is half decent. What we really need is a true Anti-Air EM AV weapon, hell I'd settle for a modified Laser Rifle with increased vehicle damage and decreased infantry damage. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7805	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:02:00 - [23] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: We need the Amarr/Minmatar Light AV weapons (Breach MD could/should be repurposed for this) and the Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar Heavy AV weapons. No ifs, ands or buts, we need all of them before balance can be achieved. We already have the Minmatar Heavy AV It's called a Jihad Jeep. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Dauth Jenkins Tankers United Covert Intervention 562	Posted - 2014.11.14 18:47:00 - [24] - Quote I run a Gunnlogi with a hardener and a booster. I can tank pretty well, as I know how to active tank. Now, before you call me a FOTM Scrub, I've always used shield vehicles. And run pure shield tank as infantry. A single flux nade or Plc Impact immediately puts me on guard and looking for an exit, as they really do shred shields. (By the way, I have all lvl 5 shield skills, so I guess I can be considered A dedicated vehicle user) I think the main problem is that people have gotten used to having swarms, which are incredibly easy to use. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 819	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:25:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LUGMOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sorry, I brought my own concerns as an armor pilot into the thread. Its just the single most irritating thing in this game, and Rat seems to not understand this at all. He has on multiple occasions implied or straight up stated that if one vehicle is performing well, so too by extension, is the other. Its just frustrating beyond belief. Sorry for getting off topic, carry on. Agreed fellow Incubus pilot. I imagine it hurts even more to you as you actually play PC competitively and have more dedication than I. Also, great respect to you for apologizing. Few others in this forum have the balls to. o7 I actually don't play PC for the most part, but ty o7 Im getting my ps3 fixed and getting a replacement HDMI converter so in about a month im gonna start posting dust vids to my youtube again, though ill be focusing strictly on dropship and HAV tutorials, though mostly dropships since im a pretty terribad tanker lol I am curious: what emulator do you use, and how much is it? I've seen your videos, and they look good (gameplay wise also) Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14608	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:29:00 - [26] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: There have been a few times I have come across almost untouchable shield tanks. One time 3 swarmers 2 grenades and we got him down to 50% armor and he healed up and fled in seconds. In this second scene I unloaded every swarm from my advanced swarm launcher and threw 2 grenades at this tank and didn't even get through his shields and the next time I faced him I got 2 fg shots off that didn't do anything then he hmg me to death. These tanks were all shield tanks that used hardeners It seems a lot like the ads problem. Anyone else run into them or is it just me? Nope that there is a 2x Complex Shield Extender Gunlogi with a Hardener. Against explosive weapons like your it roughly has a 60% resistance. 5300 1.4 = 7120 7120 1.2 = 8544 EHP against explosive weapons or there abouts. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15065	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:38:00 - [27] - Quote @ LUGMOS Umm, I have an Avermedia LiveGamerHD, then some random HDMI converter to bypass the HDCP. I love that the ps4 lets you turn that off. I wish I hadn't deleted all my music videos, damn paranoia haha. My new videos will likely bore plenty of people since I now have 0 SP in infantry, but im opening my channel up to new games soon enough. Life just hasn't gone as planned lately lol, so I haven't been able to record or upload. Logistics Vehicles Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2014.11.14 21:56:00 - [28] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: There have been a few times I have come across almost untouchable shield tanks. One time 3 swarmers 2 grenades and we got him down to 50% armor and he healed up and fled in seconds. In this second scene I unloaded every swarm from my advanced swarm launcher and threw 2 grenades at this tank and didn't even get through his shields and the next time I faced him I got 2 fg shots off that didn't do anything then he hmg me to death. These tanks were all shield tanks that used hardeners It seems a lot like the ads problem. Anyone else run into them or is it just me? Oh well, guess you'll have to get up and chase him down. That defense won't last forever. There will be a wave of opportunity especially for a shield tank. Also, it is nothing another tank can't pop easier. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 53	Posted - 2014.11.15 23:20:00 - [29] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: There have been a few times I have come across almost untouchable shield tanks. One time 3 swarmers 2 grenades and we got him down to 50% armor and he healed up and fled in seconds. In this second scene I unloaded every swarm from my advanced swarm launcher and threw 2 grenades at this tank and didn't even get through his shields and the next time I faced him I got 2 fg shots off that didn't do anything then he hmg me to death. These tanks were all shield tanks that used hardeners It seems a lot like the ads problem. Anyone else run into them or is it just me? Shield hardeners are much more effective than the armor version.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 53	Posted - 2014.11.16 01:22:00 - [30] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: We need the Amarr/Minmatar Light AV weapons (Breach MD could/should be repurposed for this) and the Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar Heavy AV weapons. No ifs, ands or buts, we need all of them before balance can be achieved. We already have the Minmatar Heavy AV It's called a Jihad Jeep. A Lav, 12-15 remote explosives and some duck tape work wonders.



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