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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:48:00 -
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A 3% efficiency bonus vs vehicles per level, in addition to what we already have?
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:A 3% efficiency bonus vs vehicles and installations per level, in addition to what we already have?
I just saw your signature and i actually think pure logistic vehicle shoud have mounted only one weapon and FIX towers (like in one DUST trailer, where ADS repaire tank under it) 
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:25:00 -
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5% would be great.
Pros: Dropships have a strong AV role, ADS can effeciently fly Air to Air combat against more heavily tanked but less damage applying kamikzee ships. No change in ADS vs Infantry.
Cons: Pythons will get wrecked. Pythons would need some love to compensate.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:A 3% efficiency bonus vs vehicles and installations per level, in addition to what we already have?
thats a good idea.. insted of 3% stright damage per level it shoudl be 4% or 5% per level to vehicles and installations..
doing this would mean ADS ->HAV ->AV infantry -> ADS meaning the circle of death is now reinforced and fixed
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15052
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:39:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:5% would be great.
Pros: Dropships have a strong AV role, ADS can effeciently fly Air to Air combat against more heavily tanked but less damage applying kamikzee ships. No change in ADS vs Infantry.
Cons: Pythons will get wrecked. Pythons would need some love to compensate.
You think Python is worse than Incubus?
Python is the only serviceable ADS right now
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:47:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:5% would be great.
Pros: Dropships have a strong AV role, ADS can effeciently fly Air to Air combat against more heavily tanked but less damage applying kamikzee ships. No change in ADS vs Infantry.
Cons: Pythons will get wrecked. Pythons would need some love to compensate.
You think Python is worse than Incubus? Python is the only serviceable ADS right now Right now ADS dogfights only end if one player is really, really bad. You just cant apply your damage consistently and fast enough against a good pilot.
^ this only because of -20% explosive vs shields + hardner == 80% resist to swarms
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15053
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:52:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:5% would be great.
Pros: Dropships have a strong AV role, ADS can effeciently fly Air to Air combat against more heavily tanked but less damage applying kamikzee ships. No change in ADS vs Infantry.
Cons: Pythons will get wrecked. Pythons would need some love to compensate.
You think Python is worse than Incubus? Python is the only serviceable ADS right now Right now ADS dogfights only end if one player is really, really bad. You just cant apply your damage consistently and fast enough against a good pilot. ^ this only because of -20% explosive vs shields + hardner == 80% resist to swarms
And forges, and rails, and missiles.....
Even I switched to Pythons
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15053
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:58:00 -
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Stupid mobile....cant edit my post
Anyways, that's not what this thread is about. This tread is acknowledging that the mew racial bonus has severely limited our effectiveness as AV. Its a proposal to give us back some of our bite, while not effecting infantry at all.
Lets leave survivability to a different thread.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:55:00 -
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I did not say the python is inferior to the Incubus. I am branching into the Python now, i still prefer the inc. But with a damage buff to AV efficacy the python would largely suffer in Air to Air.
We're talking tank killing here, to where a inc should chew through 6000 to 8000 ehp, whereas the average python fit has about 3500 hp. Hardener or no, its going to get getting hurt very badly, leaving it extremely compromised in terms of any other followup AV, eiither from a dropship or from the ground.
You can't talk damage balance without addressing the consequences of it, survivability.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:00:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
^ this only because of -20% explosive vs shields + hardner == 80% resist to swarms
The Hardener is only 40% so it's a 60% resistance, not 80%.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15057
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:00:00 -
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As a 2 year Incubus pilot (well, armor pilot, since they werent out in beta) who just switched to Pythons, I can say with relative confidence that Python is now the stronger AV option in most cases. Dogfighting between two skilled pilots is much different than a skilled pilot vs a skilled tank. It is FAR easier to break LoS in a dogfight, buying you time to either run or rep shields / armor.
Dps application towards tanks is much steadier and reliable than vs other dropships, if the other pilot is actually any good. Like I said, right now dogfights rarely end in a vehicle destruction if the pilots are any good because you simply can't apply enough damage quickly or consistently enough.
Dogfighting with a missile isn't much harder than with rails now that the RoF on both is so low. Leading is pretty easy.
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Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:22:00 -
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Always a python pilot. Fears incubus rails... always runs away. no point in trying.
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-Luck is just one of my skills
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15061
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:37:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:Always a python pilot. Fears incubus rails... always runs away. no point in trying.
Really? Rail Incubus is my easiest prey as a missile Python :) Your burst is much higher than his, reload as you break and regain LoS. Its still hard for either pilot to get a ship kill, and even harder to find an Incubus pilot, but Python has the advantage the entire engagement. I also only have 1 point in Pie Thongs, not that 12% is noticeable lol
There once was a time where yes, Incubus spanked Pythons, but that time has come and gone
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