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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:43:00 -
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have your repair tools been functioning correctly post 1.9?
im sometimes not even getting warpoints for repping people up even if i havnt even repped at all in the match, and also finding that im doing repairing but i seem to hit the cap much faster then pre 1.9.
it feels like the Points per minute WP cap on repair tools has been ninja lowered..
can any one confirm these faults/changes?
the repair tools i use are-
 BDR-8 Triage Repair Tool (L4)
Core Repair Tool (L5)
Core Focused Repair Tool (L5)
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rithu
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:54:00 -
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Yeah i m getting less points from repping using a reptool than the hives. And i use mini logi. Also the doesnot reset. |
Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:55:00 -
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rithu wrote:Yeah i m getting less points from repping using a reptool than the hives. And i use mini logi. Also the doesnot reset.
i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when teathered to another player :|
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:57:00 -
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I haven't noticed any problems with my Repair Tool.
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robin williams' ghost
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:58:00 -
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I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9 |
robin williams' ghost
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I haven't noticed any problems with my Repair Tool.
That's because whoever youre repping is doing their job. I don't believe they changed anything with the rep tools |
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:01:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:rithu wrote:Yeah i m getting less points from repping using a reptool than the hives. And i use mini logi. Also the doesnot reset. i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when teathered to another player :|
Honestly i dont know if i will play this, if they make logi suit (what is my primary) useless 
I playing like logi from beta and if logi will be useless i dont want to change that ergo no dust for me.
I palying this game like tactician (doplinks), fixit boyo (repairs) and support (hives) - one person mostly i have basicaly all skills from supporting people around me.
If CCP make my class useless i propably switch to any other game.
I played MAG like support and i played dust like support, hell even in TF im support.
I dont wanna be prosecuted by some slayer who thinks killing is the only way to win fight 
I dont know if they change anythingie (yesterday it seems quite same for me), but it they will make my game bad i will change it for something else for sure.
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rithu
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:01:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night.
I dont hide behind a heavy and farm points. I solo & rep all suit if they need it. I m a true logi  |
Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:03:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when tethered to another player :| This might be a side effect of a greater problem Apoth: HMG sentinel spam. The HMG sentinel is a beast when solo. It's damn near god-mode when fully decked out in proto... then you slap a proto logi on his back... it is very frustrating.
You try to flank them: sentinel can turn fast enough to deal with you in a split second
You try to go after his logi: sentinel turns you into a fine mist before you can drop the logi
You try to drop the sentinel with sheer focused fire: he giggles while you tickle him then mows you down
You bring in a vehicle: the pair ducks into a building
It's pretty much the only time I find RE and SG scouts completely acceptable because they are the only hard counter to the HMG sentinel + logi combination.
Just remembered: FG sentinels can pop the logi if you are a good shot with the AFG.
My advice to you, playa...
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robin williams' ghost
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:06:00 -
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rithu wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night. I dont hide behind a heavy and farm points. I solo & rep all suit if they need it. I m a true logi
Then you shouldn't be having a problem. All I know is as of last night I had no problems with my rep tool. The points were flowing in as usual... |
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:06:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night.
i dont farm heavies like your suggesting...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:08:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when tethered to another player :| This might be a side effect of a greater problem Apoth: HMG sentinel spam. The HMG sentinel is a beast when solo. It's damn near god-mode when fully decked out in proto... then you slap a proto logi on his back... it is very frustrating. You try to flank them: sentinel can turn fast enough to deal with you in a split second You try to go after his logi: sentinel turns you into a fine mist before you can drop the logi You try to drop the sentinel with sheer focused fire: he giggles while you tickle him then mows you down You bring in a vehicle: the pair ducks into a building It's pretty much the only time I find RE and SG scouts completely acceptable because they are the only hard counter to the HMG sentinel + logi combination. Just remembered: FG sentinels can pop the logi if you are a good shot with the AFG.
scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy..
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when tethered to another player :| This might be a side effect of a greater problem Apoth: HMG sentinel spam. The HMG sentinel is a beast when solo. It's damn near god-mode when fully decked out in proto... then you slap a proto logi on his back... it is very frustrating. You try to flank them: sentinel can turn fast enough to deal with you in a split second You try to go after his logi: sentinel turns you into a fine mist before you can drop the logi You try to drop the sentinel with sheer focused fire: he giggles while you tickle him then mows you down You bring in a vehicle: the pair ducks into a building It's pretty much the only time I find RE and SG scouts completely acceptable because they are the only hard counter to the HMG sentinel + logi combination. Just remembered: FG sentinels can pop the logi if you are a good shot with the AFG.
an FG shoudl instablap a goddamned sentinel regardless of level i think.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:10:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:rithu wrote:Yeah i m getting less points from repping using a reptool than the hives. And i use mini logi. Also the doesnot reset. i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when teathered to another player :| Honestly i dont know if i will play this, if they make logi suit (what is my primary) useless I playing like logi from beta and if logi will be useless i dont want to change that ergo no dust for me. I palying this game like tactician (doplinks), fixit boyo (repairs) and support (hives) - one person mostly i have basicaly all skills from supporting people around me. If CCP make my class useless i propably switch to any other game. I played MAG like support and i played dust like support, hell even in TF im support. I dont wanna be prosecuted by some slayer who thinks killing is the only way to win fight I dont know if they change anythingie (yesterday it seems quite same for me), but it they will make my game bad i will change it for something else for sure.
i agree i love playing engi in TF2 im that kind of support.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:11:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night.
i thought it was we logi had to get like 1 kill to reset the WP cap or something?
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:12:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done  A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations.
Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi...
My advice to you, playa...
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robin williams' ghost
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:12:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when tethered to another player :| This might be a side effect of a greater problem Apoth: HMG sentinel spam. The HMG sentinel is a beast when solo. It's damn near god-mode when fully decked out in proto... then you slap a proto logi on his back... it is very frustrating. You try to flank them: sentinel can turn fast enough to deal with you in a split second You try to go after his logi: sentinel turns you into a fine mist before you can drop the logi You try to drop the sentinel with sheer focused fire: he giggles while you tickle him then mows you down You bring in a vehicle: the pair ducks into a building It's pretty much the only time I find RE and SG scouts completely acceptable because they are the only hard counter to the HMG sentinel + logi combination. Just remembered: FG sentinels can pop the logi if you are a good shot with the AFG. an FG shoudl instablap a goddamned sentinel regardless of level i think.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:12:00 -
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rithu wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night. I dont hide behind a heavy and farm points. I solo & rep all suit if they need it. I m a true logi
im not one of those scrub logi who only know how to rep/follow
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:14:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i see.. so CCP messed something up or F'd us in the A because of all the no skill no talent no brained whiners who dont know how to beat a logi(low ehp / slow) when tethered to another player :| This might be a side effect of a greater problem Apoth: HMG sentinel spam. The HMG sentinel is a beast when solo. It's damn near god-mode when fully decked out in proto... then you slap a proto logi on his back... it is very frustrating. You try to flank them: sentinel can turn fast enough to deal with you in a split second You try to go after his logi: sentinel turns you into a fine mist before you can drop the logi You try to drop the sentinel with sheer focused fire: he giggles while you tickle him then mows you down You bring in a vehicle: the pair ducks into a building It's pretty much the only time I find RE and SG scouts completely acceptable because they are the only hard counter to the HMG sentinel + logi combination. Just remembered: FG sentinels can pop the logi if you are a good shot with the AFG. an FG shoudl instablap a goddamned sentinel regardless of level i think. 95 percent of sentinels are instablapped by a fg. Only the tankiest of heavies will survive
you mean a FULL BRICK amarr sentinel with what was it? 2100 ehp? and iirc wasnt even proto FG only 1900 or something? and also iirc heavy damage mods dont work on the FG atm for what ever reason.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:16:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations. Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi...
tbh octo-repping may seem lame but its a valid tactic to help push the point while maintaining reps on him to help push..
however wen the new orbitals come in game i will mostlikly guess it will be the death of octo-heavy and choak point meat grinders which give best WP for logi..
so all in all its been a 3 pronged attack against logi
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:18:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations. Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi...
a dual tanked logi is slow and squishy even by "normal" assault standards
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:20:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:rithu wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:I don't know the exact numbers but your heavy has to be getting kills or the war points stop coming in. You can't just sit back and farm points endlessly. I've had several 5000+ war point matches post 1.9, including last night. I dont hide behind a heavy and farm points. I solo & rep all suit if they need it. I m a true logi im not one of those scrub logi who only know how to rep/follow
Neither am I. Nor was I accusing you of anything just simply trying to think of reasons why you might not have been getting war points since it seems to be working as it should for me. |
robin williams' ghost
Damaged Beyond Repair
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:24:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations. Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi... a dual tanked logi is slow and squishy even by "normal" assault standards
I die significantly less after I realised shield tanking and speed are far superior to dual tanking on a min logi |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2367
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:25:00 -
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I notice that sometimes I don't get triage points even when whoever I have my repair tool on is taking damage to armor. And a few times I didn't get guardian points, either.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:28:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations. Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi...
And this is why people complain about remotes.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:31:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:scouts = flank and 2shot a proto logi and then run off.. its easy.. Easier said than done A dual tanked logi can take some punishment and getting into a flanking position isn't easy in some locations. Add to that, some proto HMG sentinels get gang-repped by more than one logi... And this is why people complain about remotes.
i dont complain about RE.. its a legit way to F over both sentinel and logi and iirc some one did the math but at L5 damping and basic damp a medium suit (currently) can only be spotted by gal scout and i think amarr scout? how ever with adv damp or even proto damp i think the scout will be blind to the medium suit meaning the medium could just as easly(as the scout) drop RE's on unsuspecting groups of people at choakpoint meatgrinders
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:35:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:a dual tanked logi is slow and squishy even by "normal" assault standards
Dual tanked Minmatar logi
Dual tanked Minmatar assault
Tanked with minimal speed loss on both fittings.
Assault eHP: 1104
Assault movement: 5.25m/s
Logi eHP: 904
Logi movement: 4.95m/s
Difference in eHP: 200
Difference in movement: 0.3m/s
200 less eHP is noticeable, sure. 0.3m/s... not so much.
My advice to you, playa...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:52:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:a dual tanked logi is slow and squishy even by "normal" assault standards Dual tanked Minmatar logiDual tanked Minmatar assaultTanked with minimal speed loss on both fittings. Assault eHP: 1104 Assault movement: 5.25m/s Logi eHP: 904 Logi movement: 4.95m/s Difference in eHP: 200 Difference in movement: 0.3m/s 200 less eHP is noticeable, sure. 0.3m/s... not so much.
im sorry but those are both failfits, you leave far too many slots unused... come back with actual workable fits with no slots missing.
ps. and after all this ewar change and the commign ewar shakeup logi gonna have to fit a damp or soemthign to try be a little less seen on tacnet
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:01:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im sorry but those are both failfits, you leave far too many slots unused... come back with actual workable fits with no slots missing. Was fitting purely for max eHP with minimal speed loss. You are welcome to show me a couple of fittings that work for logi for comparison though.
Even still, an assault should outclass a logi in raw eHP anyway.
Apothecary Za'ki wrote:ps. and after all this ewar change and the coming ewar shakeup logi gonna have to fit a damp or something to try be a little less seen on tacnet People are saying they "have to fit a damp" after the EWAR changes. I'm taking you to task on that... you can fit a damp if you want to stay off the TACNET. It is optional. It will depend on your playstyle if fitting a damp is a "must have" or not.
My advice to you, playa...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:11:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im sorry but those are both failfits, you leave far too many slots unused... come back with actual workable fits with no slots missing. Was fitting purely for max eHP with minimal speed loss. You are welcome to show me a couple of fittings that work for logi for comparison though. Even still, an assault should outclass a logi in raw eHP anyway. Apothecary Za'ki wrote:ps. and after all this ewar change and the coming ewar shakeup logi gonna have to fit a damp or something to try be a little less seen on tacnet People are saying they "have to fit a damp" after the EWAR changes. I'm taking you to task on that... you can fit a damp if you want to stay off the TACNET. It is optional. It will depend on your playstyle if fitting a damp is a "must have" or not.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1307/9300
could have more ehp if i fit a reactive instead of a damp but being unseen helps a logi more then flat ehp. typical moduals..
yes i know im only advanced for shields and needle but thats all i could fit with having the most amount of proto i could squeese on it at all L5 fitting/core skills
but basically it was damp or reactive.. the differance was maybe.. 60 ehp and 3 rep per second but 1% slower speed.. 60 ehp on armor is only 2 bullets from an ACR.. or maybe 1 from a prof 5 breach smg.
it makes sence to not let the enemy know where i am while im repping a sentinel or 2 to push into a cap point.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:13:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1307/9300
could have more ehp if i fit a reactive instead of a damp but being unseen helps a logi more then flat ehp. typical moduals..
yes i know im only advanced for shields and needle but thats all i could fit with having the most amount of proto i could squeese on it at all L5 fitting/core skills Need to 'share' your protofit link
Fittings > Detailed View > Click 'Share' next to the fitting > Copy / paste that link
My advice to you, playa...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:15:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1307/9300
could have more ehp if i fit a reactive instead of a damp but being unseen helps a logi more then flat ehp. typical moduals..
yes i know im only advanced for shields and needle but thats all i could fit with having the most amount of proto i could squeese on it at all L5 fitting/core skills Need to 'share' your protofit link Fittings > Detailed View > Click 'Share' next to the fitting > Copy / paste that link
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1307/9300 same link its just shared now.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:21:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1307/9300
could have more ehp if i fit a reactive instead of a damp but being unseen helps a logi more then flat ehp. typical moduals..
yes i know im only advanced for shields and needle but thats all i could fit with having the most amount of proto i could squeese on it at all L5 fitting/core skills Need to 'share' your protofit link Fittings > Detailed View > Click 'Share' next to the fitting > Copy / paste that link
the fit http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1307/9300
is a typical fit for equipment..
3 uplinks 2 active 1 spare (i dont like to spam uplinks everywhere like some people) at -20% spawn time they dont get any much better with out faction for amarr.. next best is L4 uplink with same modifier but 2 uplinks carried.
hives up to 3 active with 4 hives total.. tho only 48 clusters where i could go get state for 72 clusters but im a minmatar fw loyalist.
damp can be switched for reactive.
flux nade is always useful!
useing adv shield extenders instead of proto to save on fitting but not much loss of ehp at 11ehp differances per extender (44 total) between adv/proto at L5 shield extender
six kin ACR for self defence. all in all probably the best fit i could do.
as for injector just realised i had JUST enough cpu left to squeese in a proto needle.
ps ill try to an assault for comparison.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:25:00 -
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Can't say I noticed any major problem with the WP.
Now, the WP indication does not always work, particularly for needles... I don't think I've seen the +60 pop up on the screen for needles in like 6 months, but you do still get the WP.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:27:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Can't say I noticed any major problem with the WP.
Now, the WP indication does not always work, particularly for needles... I don't think I've seen the +60 pop up on the screen for needles in like 6 months, but you do still get the WP.
i see the +60 any time i rez some one. as for repairs it seems more often then not i get 0 WP popping up on the screen or even gained when i check the board.
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