DUST Search - Sidearms have gotten out of control

Her Chosen wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Lol.
Get gud scrub.

You mean tank as much HP as I possibly can? Because HP mods are the only thing "good" players put on, because dedicated all slots to survival and leaving no room for any variety or combinations buys a player perhaps 1 second of life.

Sidearms have become crutches. If you failed with your primary, you shouldn't be able to switch to a sidearm thats just as high a DPS. Even Commandos carry sidearms.

God forbid we ever think of different combinations of module use in this game. Good forbid you run under 1000 HP on a suit to crutch your lack of tactics and gungame. Funny, most proto assault suits have 8-9 slots and 7-8 of them are dedicated to HP. All the modules in this game, but armor stacking, shield stacking, and repair are the only ones used.

Typical example of players not wanting balance or common sense because they don't want their easy-button taken away.

I'll just continue to run double sidearms, because they fit for less and kill as good as any light weapon in the game..

"If the gallente brainwash me again, they shall be purged by God himself!" -Nexle Skimfuse

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Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:03:00 - [1] - Quote Good news: all of them are very effective. Bad news: CCP and community seem to forget the "S" slot means sidearm. Sidearms shouldn't be able to OHK, or be on par with primaries. Bolt pistol, Ion, Breach ScP, Flaylock, Novas... all capable of a OHK on majority of suits. Able to kill heavies as fast and effective as primaries... SMGs that have 5 seconds of continuous fire. I think a damage nerf to sidearms needs to happen across the board. 80% would do it. This would put them categorically where they belong; secondary, backup weapons. Also, Nova knives need to be moved to primary weapon side of skill tree.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2074	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:12:00 - [2] - Quote Are you a scout? Are you complaining that a Bolter OHK'd you one a headshot? Are you make some of this Up, like OHKing most suits? Then I think you may be wrong. A Bolter, or a Breach Flay, from my observations, only kill a scout or a very poorly build medium in one hit. Anything else requires 2-3 headshots. A Medium frame that is outfitted for combat (Some plates, some extenders) can take a few hits from a Bolter, or Ion, or ScP. The SMG and the MagSec are designed for the sniper classes, who may need a good CQC weapon at a low Resource cost. They are quite good, but both lack range, and generally aren't as potent as say a dedicated AR, or CR. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 1014	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:13:00 - [3] - Quote Lol. Get gud scrub. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:25:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Lol. Get gud scrub. You mean tank as much HP as I possibly can? Because HP mods are the only thing "good" players put on, because dedicated all slots to survival and leaving no room for any variety or combinations buys a player perhaps 1 second of life. Sidearms have become crutches. If you failed with your primary, you shouldn't be able to switch to a sidearm thats just as high a DPS. Even Commandos carry sidearms. God forbid we ever think of different combinations of module use in this game. Good forbid you run under 1000 HP on a suit to crutch your lack of tactics and gungame. Funny, most proto assault suits have 8-9 slots and 7-8 of them are dedicated to HP. All the modules in this game, but armor stacking, shield stacking, and repair are the only ones used. Typical example of players not wanting balance or common sense because they don't want their easy-button taken away. I'll just continue to run double sidearms, because they fit for less and kill as good as any light weapon in the game..
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 174	Posted - 2014.11.12 05:42:00 - [5] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Lol. Get gud scrub. You mean tank as much HP as I possibly can? Because HP mods are the only thing "good" players put on, because dedicated all slots to survival and leaving no room for any variety or combinations buys a player perhaps 1 second of life. Sidearms have become crutches. If you failed with your primary, you shouldn't be able to switch to a sidearm thats just as high a DPS. Even Commandos carry sidearms. God forbid we ever think of different combinations of module use in this game. Good forbid you run under 1000 HP on a suit to crutch your lack of tactics and gungame. Funny, most proto assault suits have 8-9 slots and 7-8 of them are dedicated to HP. All the modules in this game, but armor stacking, shield stacking, and repair are the only ones used. Typical example of players not wanting balance or common sense because they don't want their easy-button taken away. I'll just continue to run double sidearms, because they fit for less and kill as good as any light weapon in the game.. Mind you, I ONLY use my sidearm to rip the enemies armour, after I melted their shields with my ASCR. "If the gallente brainwash me again, they shall be purged by God himself!" -Nexle Skimfuse AMARRIAN4LYFE
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2207	Posted - 2014.11.12 07:05:00 - [6] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Good news: all of them are very effective. Bad news: CCP and community seem to forget the "S" slot means sidearm. Sidearms shouldn't be able to OHK, or be on par with primaries. Bolt pistol, Ion, Breach ScP, Flaylock, Novas... all capable of a OHK on majority of suits. Able to kill heavies as fast and effective as primaries... SMGs that have 5 seconds of continuous fire. I think a damage nerf to sidearms needs to happen across the board. 80% would do it. This would put them categorically where they belong; secondary, backup weapons. Also, Nova knives need to be moved to primary weapon side of skill tree. 80 ****ING PERCENT?! SO... let's go from a "decent" 2 second or so TTK(assuming average 500 HP or so to a top of 1200) To... a 10 second TTK. Yeah. Like ANYONE will be caring to fit an SMG that does a whopping(!!!!!) 6.3 damage a shot, with a total clip damage of (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 500. And what of flaylocks now? 40 damage direct with a terrifyingly bad 20-30 splash? I TOTALLY can't see Commandos becoming the ultimate for all time FoTM. And screw sentinels, because when they run out of HMG or overheat, they're stuck with a 3 second TTK on a base Minmatar Scout. Please, for the love of god, don't quit your dayjob, and don't ever think you could manage college. Oh, and also: I run a 3.0 K/D(like i care about it anyways) for the month, and that is in a base HP MInja fitted with anything from a Laser Rifle to a Tactical Sniper(which i don't even use outside of 150M :D) My highest HP fitting (besides my single plate, single extender Min Heavy) is my MInmatar Assault with a damage mod, an extender, a recharger, a shield regulator, and a Damp/reactive plate. that there is a whopping 300/280 HP, for a grand total of 680 eHP. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 445	Posted - 2014.11.12 08:47:00 - [7] - Quote The bolt pistol is a little much. They don't even use the proto variant?! Militia bolt pistol is effective Enough?! Can we atleast make that one reasonable? "Anybody order chaos?"
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 258	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:59:00 - [8] - Quote The smg is to good in every situation it needs way more dispersion. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1172	Posted - 2014.11.12 10:13:00 - [9] - Quote also where are the gallente and amarr smgs? Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Jebus McKing lol Proto 915	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:24:00 - [10] - Quote Yes, Breach ScP is totally OP. It kills most players in one shot, if they are using the sniper starter fit and I accidentally hit them in the head. NERFNERFNERF Assault / Logi / Sentinel / Scout // @JebusMcKing

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3333	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:30:00 - [11] - Quote 80% damage nerf? Did you ever finish highschool? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5900	Posted - 2014.11.12 11:32:00 - [12] - Quote You think Flaylocks need to be nerfed? The exit is that way <^> Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 284	Posted - 2014.11.12 12:43:00 - [13] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Good news: all of them are very effective. Bad news: CCP and community seem to forget the "S" slot means sidearm. Sidearms shouldn't be able to OHK, or be on par with primaries. Bolt pistol, Ion, Breach ScP, Flaylock, Novas... all capable of a OHK on majority of suits. Able to kill heavies as fast and effective as primaries... SMGs that have 5 seconds of continuous fire. I think a damage nerf to sidearms needs to happen across the board. 80% would do it. This would put them categorically where they belong; secondary, backup weapons. Also, Nova knives need to be moved to primary weapon side of skill tree. We don't like trolls around here. That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2014.11.12 13:03:00 - [14] - Quote Ion CAN ohk if you are charged up and using mods/prof'ed up, but only on shield militias and some scouts. I have prof 5 ion and use a basic mod but cannot 1 shot every suit... Only shield militias and some scouts... But that's on my alt. I have basic ion on this lad and a charge just breaks shield and touches armor on shield militias. Armor militias is a different case.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:03:00 - [15] - Quote Just as I said... People just can't handle having sidearms be backup weapons. Every primary weapon in the game can kill any suit in one clip, or so close that a -80% sidearm would still finish off the enemy properly. . But I understand that people don't want to actually get good with their primary when they can switch to another weapon that has a 500+ DPS. SECONDARY weapons. Meaning weaker. Get good, scrubs.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3468	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:34:00 - [16] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. .....ha......HA....HAHAHAHA.....OMFGWTFBWAHAHAHAHAAA No really what the hell are you talking about? There is ZERO advantage to a commando carrying a sidearm. Their damage bonus only applies to Light weapons. Are you REALLY saying that someone is going to put a sidearm in a Light weapon slot, knowing full well that they are losing 10% damage in the process? If you're going to do that then why the hell are you you using a Commando? At that point use a freaking Assault Suit that actually gets a bonus to the sidearms. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4907	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:58:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. .....ha......HA....HAHAHAHA.....OMFGWTFBWAHAHAHAHAAA No really what the hell are you talking about? There is ZERO advantage to a commando carrying a sidearm. Their damage bonus only applies to Light weapons. Are you REALLY saying that someone is going to put a sidearm in a Light weapon slot, knowing full well that they are losing 10% damage in the process? If you're going to do that then why the hell are you you using a Commando? At that point use a freaking Assault Suit that actually gets a bonus to the sidearms. commando damage bonus is by profile. So caldari rail bonus applies to bolt pistols. A better argument would be that the Rail Rifle is a better weapon even in CQC EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3468	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:00:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. .....ha......HA....HAHAHAHA.....OMFGWTFBWAHAHAHAHAAA No really what the hell are you talking about? There is ZERO advantage to a commando carrying a sidearm. Their damage bonus only applies to Light weapons. Are you REALLY saying that someone is going to put a sidearm in a Light weapon slot, knowing full well that they are losing 10% damage in the process? If you're going to do that then why the hell are you you using a Commando? At that point use a freaking Assault Suit that actually gets a bonus to the sidearms. commando damage bonus is by profile. So caldari rail bonus applies to bolt pistols. A better argument would be that the Rail Rifle is a better weapon even in CQC http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Commando_Dropsuits#Commando Quote: Caldari Commando : +2% damage to light hybrid GÇô railgun weapons. Gallente Commando : +2% damage to light hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. Minmatar Commando : +2% damage to light projectile and explosive weapons. Amarr Commando : +2% damage to light laser weapons. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 445	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:00:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. .....ha......HA....HAHAHAHA.....OMFGWTFBWAHAHAHAHAAA No really what the hell are you talking about? There is ZERO advantage to a commando carrying a sidearm. Their damage bonus only applies to Light weapons. Are you REALLY saying that someone is going to put a sidearm in a Light weapon slot, knowing full well that they are losing 10% damage in the process? If you're going to do that then why the hell are you you using a Commando? At that point use a freaking Assault Suit that actually gets a bonus to the sidearms. Sounds funny, but I've seen it?! Two bolt pistols on a commando?! Some of these guys really are ***t with rifles so they spray and prey then use the bolt?! Bolt seems to be a better choice than the actual rifle for some?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 146	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:26:00 - [20] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Just as I said... People just can't handle having sidearms be backup weapons. Every primary weapon in the game can kill any suit in one clip, or so close that a -80% sidearm would still finish off the enemy properly. . But I understand that people don't want to actually get good with their primary when they can switch to another weapon that has a 500+ DPS. SECONDARY weapons. Meaning weaker. Get good, scrubs. Hey, old bro Something you haven't seen..... ..... We aren't in Call of Duty, are we ? In those kind of game (I must say, I've never played that game) the sidearm weapon is totaly useless And You wanna make the same thing in DUST ? At this moment nobody would use sidearm weapon any more.... That's the point you want ? Wake up old bro ! lights > sidearm. That's what I must be. And it's that. BUT Sidearm must be good weapons. THAT'S THE ORIGINALITY OF THE GAME ! IN CALL OF DUTY WE HAVEN'T SHIELD/ARMOR RESISTANCE ! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Do you wanna demo ? ACr vs SMG(the M512) ACr has : - more damage - more RoF - More range - less (or same) dispertion SMG has : - more clip size WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAW SMG is OP !!!!!! It has a bigger clip size !!!! CCP FIX IT !!! NERF THE DAMAGE !!!!!! Lol. Seriously... I like persons who have ideas, but yours is just stupid (with all the love I've for you, even if I don't know who you are) Welcome to CAMPER 514 The game where you never touch the ground.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3468	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:50:00 - [21] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Just as I said... People just can't handle having sidearms be backup weapons. Every primary weapon in the game can kill any suit in one clip, or so close that a -80% sidearm would still finish off the enemy properly. . But I understand that people don't want to actually get good with their primary when they can switch to another weapon that has a 500+ DPS. SECONDARY weapons. Meaning weaker. Get good, scrubs. Question. Standard Military personal typically carry a rifle and a pistol as a backup. Does the pistol typically have 80% less stopping power than the rifle? If they were to shoot and kill someone with 1 bullet from the rifle, by your logic, since the pistol is a backup, it should take about 5 pistol shots to do the job, right? SIdearms are supposed to be weak, right? Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13639	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:00:00 - [22] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. Name 6 players in this game who regularly run sidearms on their Commando. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7647	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:45:00 - [23] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Good news: all of them are very effective. Bad news: CCP and community seem to forget the "S" slot means sidearm. Sidearms shouldn't be able to OHK, or be on par with primaries. Bolt pistol, Ion, Breach ScP, Flaylock, Novas... all capable of a OHK on majority of suits. Able to kill heavies as fast and effective as primaries... SMGs that have 5 seconds of continuous fire. I think a damage nerf to sidearms needs to happen across the board. 80% would do it. This would put them categorically where they belong; secondary, backup weapons. Also, Nova knives need to be moved to primary weapon side of skill tree. This is the height of stupidity. Biomass yourself. EDIT: For clarification If you nerf sidearms by 80% I WOULD STOP FITTING THEM. They would literally be a waste of CPU/PG Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Dauth Jenkins Tankers United Covert Intervention 562	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:56:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Even Commandos carry sidearms. Name 6 players in this game who regularly run sidearms on their Commando. He must be thinking of militia Heavies... -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando


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