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Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 681	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:00:00 - [1] - Quote Rattati, I would AV grenages to deal chromosome-level damage to militia LAVs. For those who don't know, a Militia LAV could tank 1 STD AV grenade, and escape the engagement with a sliver of health left. However, 1 Packed LAV grenade could pop an unfitted Militia LAV. The current health of LAVs was a direct response to people feeling like they couldn't tank AV grenades. While I don't run LAVs enough to comment on the HP of higher tier or better fit LAVs, I think that unfitted Militia LAVs should be much more fragile than they currently are. TL:DR: Reduce Militia LAV EHP to allow 1 Packed AV grenade to instantly pop an unfitted vehicle Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 688	Posted - 2014.11.12 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote bump Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 129	Posted - 2014.11.12 14:08:00 - [3] - Quote 1. Request that you have to aim with said AV grenades 1a. No seeking mechanism allowed - Currently allows spamming with no thought of aim just general direction, i have to aim more with a grenade 1b. Only way damage is caused is when it hit the vehicle, if you miss tough **** get better aim and your eyes tested if you miss a tank 1c. If you miss then AV nade just dies after 5seconds and disappears, avoids the problems of minefields with AV nades
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 689	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:44:00 - [4] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Request that you have to aim with said AV grenades 1a. No seeking mechanism allowed - Currently allows spamming with no thought of aim just general direction, i have to aim more with a grenade 1b. Only way damage is caused is when it hit the vehicle, if you miss tough **** get better aim and your eyes tested if you miss a tank 1c. If you miss then AV nade just dies after 5seconds and disappears, avoids the problems of minefields with AV nades 1. Sure 1a. Vehicles have much higher acceleration than dropsuits, so AV grenades need slightly more aim assistance than locus grenades 1b. See 1a 1c. Sure. not a problem Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3468	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:55:00 - [5] - Quote Does anyone actually use MLT LAVs anymore? I figure by now everyone has a Standard BPO one. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 131	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:47:00 - [6] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Request that you have to aim with said AV grenades 1a. No seeking mechanism allowed - Currently allows spamming with no thought of aim just general direction, i have to aim more with a grenade 1b. Only way damage is caused is when it hit the vehicle, if you miss tough **** get better aim and your eyes tested if you miss a tank 1c. If you miss then AV nade just dies after 5seconds and disappears, avoids the problems of minefields with AV nades 1. Sure 1a. Vehicles have much higher acceleration than dropsuits, so AV grenades need slightly more aim assistance than locus grenades 1b. See 1a 1c. Sure. not a problem 1a. Give it greater throw range then you dont need seeking
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2366	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:43:00 - [7] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: 1. Sure 1a. Vehicles have much higher acceleration than dropsuits, so AV grenades need slightly more aim assistance than locus grenades Oh no, a vehicle with a power plant that's probably as big as a scout suit isn't allowed to accelerate faster and have a higher stop speed than a dropsuit. I'm sorry, I forgot CCP is still trying to keep physics in the game. 1b. See 1a 1c. Sure. not a problem[/quote] I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7684	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:09:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Does anyone actually use MLT LAVs anymore? I figure by now everyone has a Standard BPO one. And those who don't need to drop 180k SP and get a Saga-II Those things are FANTASTIC. Turned on Hardener and ate 3 swarms. Hell, my dropship can't even do that. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 206	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:50:00 - [9] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Rattati, I would like AV grenages to deal chromosome-level damage to militia LAVs. For those who don't know, a Militia LAV could tank 1 STD AV grenade, and escape the engagement with a sliver of health left. However, 1 Packed LAV grenade could pop an unfitted Militia LAV. The current health of LAVs was a direct response to people feeling like they couldn't tank AV grenades. While I don't run LAVs enough to comment on the HP of higher tier or better fit LAVs, I think that unfitted Militia LAVs should be much more fragile than they currently are. TL:DR: Reduce Militia LAV EHP to allow 1 Packed AV grenade to instantly pop an unfitted vehicle Basically you want reliable vehicles to be even more useless tools that more AV savvy players will farm wp from? Especially when LAV's overall can barely, if not at all, survive anything in the first place? Do you also want MCC destroying flay lock pistols, too? There is literally no sense for team killing to be possible in any gamemode.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4931	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:47:00 - [10] - Quote Key word: unfitted. Unfitted dropships and HAVs are suicide. Why should LAVs be different? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 689	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:49:00 - [11] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Piercing Serenity wrote: Rattati, I would like AV grenages to deal chromosome-level damage to militia LAVs. For those who don't know, a Militia LAV could tank 1 STD AV grenade, and escape the engagement with a sliver of health left. However, 1 Packed LAV grenade could pop an unfitted Militia LAV. The current health of LAVs was a direct response to people feeling like they couldn't tank AV grenades. While I don't run LAVs enough to comment on the HP of higher tier or better fit LAVs, I think that unfitted Militia LAVs should be much more fragile than they currently are. TL:DR: Reduce Militia LAV EHP to allow 1 Packed AV grenade to instantly pop an unfitted vehicle Basically you want reliable vehicles to be even more useless tools that more AV savvy players will farm wp from? Especially when LAV's overall can barely, if not at all, survive anything in the first place? Do you also want MCC destroying flay lock pistols, too? You're this bent out of shape over an unfitted Militia LAV being blown up by a breach (essentially) AV grenade? A Militia LAV is the antithesis of reliable. Especially for players like myself who have absolutely no SP into vehicles. If I use a free POS, then it should behave like a free POS. I have no comment on the AV grenade damage on any other tier of vehicle (or class of vehicle, for that matter), because I don't play them enough. But I do think that this is a sensible change. The only people who would notice this change would be the people who don't care about fitting their LAVs, or investing any time or effort into them Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 777	Posted - 2014.11.15 12:11:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Key word: unfitted. Unfitted dropships and HAVs are suicide. Why should LAVs be different? I'm not against the idea of making MLT LAVs more vulnerable than they are right now but doing so in the way you want it to be done would translate to the STD LAV also being screwed in the process. Remember that even a STD LAV only has access to a total of 3 slots to balance a combination of utility and a decent tank to have some staying power. Remember also that fitting restrictions translate to most LAVs not being able to viably fit a 120mm Plate or Enhanced+ Heavy Shield Extender to significantly increase the pool of health at their disposal. As a result the difference between a fitted and unfitted LAV isn't a large one. The real solution to the problem you're presenting isn't increasing AV Grenade damage, which would also impact AV balance vs. Tanks, but instead lowering the base health of the LAV and increasing the number of slots at their disposal. This promotes people going out of their way to fit the things as well as curbing the effectiveness of an unfit LAV on the battlefield (which, frankly, is minimal. No one's complaining about Baloch's and Onikuma's on the battlefield, they're complaining about LAV Heavies.)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5027	Posted - 2014.11.15 12:32:00 - [13] - Quote The solution is to reduce the hull HP and increase the fitting allowance so if you actually put tank fittings on (even militia fittings) you can survive a shot. That was the issue with the chromosome LAVs. Having actual fittings on mlt/standard fits didn't matter. You still blew up The current problem is that there is no reason to fit basic mofules becausethe hull can take two shots and rge mlt/std fittings don't change that. Making vehicles fitting centric rather than hull-centric would be a MASSIVE improvement to vehicle pilot quality of life IMHO. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

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