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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4696	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:59:00 - [1] - Quote Fellow players, We have seen in recent months the re-introduction of a variety of BPOs. Initially, they were restricted to militia/standard. Effectively you traded performance for ISK efficiency. This was largely acceptable; players could purchase a BPO or two and enjoy crafting what amounted to be their own personal Starter Fitting. Since you cannot change your race in Dust 514, this was a good thing. Also, militia/standard modules are hella cheap so if you didn't feel like spending money on aurum it was not a big loss. Unfortunately for CCP, BPOs are a on-time purchase. Once I purchase my Militia Armor Playing BPO I won't need to purchase another. Dropsuits with different paint jobs cost development hours to create so pumping out entire sets of 'Quafe'-like dropsuits every month is not sustainable. CCP turned to what I like to call the "BPO arms race": Proto BPOs. To hedge out initial cries of P2W (the kiss of death for a F2P game) they made these BPOs available for a hellacious ISK/LP price... well hellacious for new players, but for veterans this was the change between their couch cushions. Make no mistake fellow players, we will be seeing more BPO varieties in the future that exceed militia/standard qualities. CCP has caught the F2P fever and it has no cure, but symptoms can be reduced with topical application of money to their wallets. We can bicker and argue about this being a bad or good thing, but it will not change their minds; instead, we can prepare for it. As someone who has been through a few F2P - P2W transitions I have a few helpful tips. Any other players with tips, please feel free to post below. Be prepared to spend money - This is a given. To continue to play Dust 514 you must be prepared to spend money on it. You can be smart about how you spend money though. Purchasing the larger bundles of aurum will net you 'bonus aurum'. Also, keep a close eye on the market promotions for sales. Even the standard boosters have been on sale before. Stockpile in-game currancies - CCP will release some content with an ISK pricetag. It will most likely be marked up 1000% to encourage you to buy aurum. Run the cheapest fittings you can, stockpile your ISK/LP so you can own some of the stuff too! Squad up - Soloing will not net you the bonus WP that squadding will. WP's directly translate into more ISK which you will need to perform #2. Skill into your starter fittings - Starter fittings are truly free. Invest SP into the skills that improve them so when you are stockpiling ISK/LP you are more effective. Create a budget for Dust 514 - This sounds a little extreme, but partition off a set amount of money you will spend on Dust every month. For example, I will probably be spending $15. P2W games are engineered to extract your money without you being completely conscious of how much you have spent. I use the David Ramsey envelope system myself, but just be aware of the monthly cost to you. My advice to you, playa...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4870	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:00:00 - [2] - Quote Nice sh*tpost. This one is your best yet. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4696	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:01:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Nice sh*tpost. This one is your best yet. Aww This is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me... My advice to you, playa...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4669	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:03:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Nice shtpost. This one is your best yet. Confirmed. My immediate response is "game is not going pay to win" though the current bug in the new suits makes them win pretty freaking hard. (Expect a fix.) The new BPOs tend to lead towards being a little more tanky, but lower on damage. I still expect properly fit ISK suits to carve them to shreds. *When they're fixed. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4696	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:21:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The new BPOs tend to lead towards being a little more tanky, but lower on damage. I still expect properly fit ISK suits to carve them to shreds. I mean this with no disrespect: who cares? You run the proto BPOs to stockpile ISK for proto fittings. Militia BPOs would at least force you to make the choice between performance or ISK efficiency. Also, eHP continues to be the metagame king. Holy **** the dual tanked Amarr sentinel.... My advice to you, playa...
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 972	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:24:00 - [6] - Quote Didn't CCP do away with BPO's because it was going to conflict with EVE economy once they reached their 10yr plan !? What this confirms for me is Dust has hit a dead end they have already said items won't be transferred to Legion so everything from here on out is a last minute cash grab.. Of course you can get it with LP but CCP knows people, especially gamers are born to be consumers so why not milk those they have left..
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4698	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:29:00 - [7] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: What this confirms for me is Dust has hit a dead end they have already said items won't be transferred to Legion so everything from here on out is a last minute cash grab... The recent BPO changes have proven either one of two scenarios will take place: Legion will not launch Our ISK will not transfer to Legion Proto BPOs pretty much ensure players will have billions of ISK by the time Legion is a thing. You think CCP Rouge will want players to begin playing Legion with billions of ISK? Hell no. My advice to you, playa...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4670	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:35:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley, please be cautious of overuse of the Magic Crystal Ball CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2709	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:35:00 - [9] - Quote A proto-suit with all non-removable basic-gear that is even more glow-ee then Quafe is not going to upset me by much, an ADV suit will be more deadly. These are better then a pure basic, sure, but due to the restrictions are still not as good as a pure ADV (which I never want any BPO to achieve). "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Nirwanda Vaughns 931	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:37:00 - [10] - Quote the new BPOs are nothing more deadly than a templar/dren sentinel bpo with complex plates and an exile/toxin smg. yes currently they can be modified but it wouldn't suprise me if thats fixed DT weds. they're effectivly just giving new players chance to have more HPs and a 'taster' fit of something they can then skill into. vet players will probs 'abuse' them by running them with their full skills but again its still only standard modules on them so they're not going to be impossible to kill. i'm actually pretty happy cos i've just started going into galmando and the BPO has everything on it that i've been using anyway so its going to be a great buy for me even if its basic stuff i will make most of it Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4698	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:38:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley, please be cautious of overuse of the Magic Crystal Ball Kind of hoping for that sixth one Soraya My advice to you, playa...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4698	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A proto-suit with all non-removable basic-gear that is even more glow-ee then Quafe is not going to upset me by much, an ADV suit will be more deadly. These are better then a pure basic, sure, but due to the restrictions are still not as good as a pure ADV (which I never want any BPO to achieve). Veteran players will have SP and player skill advantages. These fittings also capitalize on eHP, the current metagame king. Newberries in advanced or proto gear will get ripped up by these fittings and even if the veteran loses one it doesn't matter. He didn't lose any ISK on it. Meanwhile, the newberry in the proto fitting he made to compete dies once and he's breaking even. Twice, well now he is broke. These fittings are designed to benefit those who are willing to drop $30 on this game and veterans. My advice to you, playa...
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5414	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:43:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A proto-suit with all non-removable basic-gear that is even more glow-ee then Quafe is not going to upset me by much, an ADV suit will be more deadly. These are better then a pure basic, sure, but due to the restrictions are still not as good as a pure ADV (which I never want any BPO to achieve). Veteran players will have SP and player skill advantages. These fittings also capitalize on eHP, the current metagame king. Newberries in advanced or proto gear will get ripped up by these fittings and even if the veteran loses one it doesn't matter. He didn't lose any ISK on it. Meanwhile, the newberry in the proto fitting he made to compete dies once and he's breaking even. Twice, well now he is broke. These fittings are designed to benefit those who are willing to drop $30 on this game and veterans. I just saw a post by someone who said the Caldari Assault fit has less hp than his Raven fit. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4698	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:47:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I just saw a post by someone who said the Caldari Assault fit has less hp than his Raven fit. I would like to see the protofit links for that... the proto BPO has two extenders and a ferroscale plate. It also has an energizer, light weapon damage mod, and two regulators. Slightly better eHP? Sure. Better shield tank? No. Not at all. My advice to you, playa...
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2709	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:54:00 - [15] - Quote 'Dragonfly' Assault [nSv]3,000 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Basic Reactive Plates900 SB-39 Rail Rifle10,770 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun675 Flux Grenade600 Compact Nanohive900 ISK Estimated Cost:~ 24,675 Shields: 508.75 w/recharge 30/s delay 5s/6.75depleted Armor: 221.25 w/regen 2.5/s eHP: 730 Move: 5m/s \| 7.35m/s Let's rumble. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4699	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:55:00 - [16] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: 'Dragonfly' Assault [nSv]3,000 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Enhanced Shield Extender2,610 Basic Reactive Plates900 SB-39 Rail Rifle10,770 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun675 Flux Grenade600 Compact Nanohive900 ISK Estimated Cost:~ 24,675 Shields: 508.75 w/recharge 30/s delay 5s/6.75depleted Armor: 221.25 w/regen 2.5/s eHP: 730 Move: 5m/s \| 7.35m/s Let's rumble.You can bring your unlimited "protostomping" APEX suits, and I'll bring this affordable murder machine. The difference being that one day you will run out of those. The stomper will never run out of his. My advice to you, playa...
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2709	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote The difference is he's at an EHP AND a firepower disadvantage. With your logic, actual protostompers could be beaten with pure BPO quafe suits with some BPO standard modules because the BPOers will never run out. The instant the other suit has such a large advantage, your "unlimited" suits are already going to have a hard time getting a single kill. A squad of unlimited APEX will still fail miserably against a squad of actual proto, and a quad of unlimited APEX will still get a whoopin' by a squad of ADV as you won't be killing them fast enough to make them worry about "losses," not when a standard frame pimped out is apparently enough to "Compete." I'd have to lose my suit minimum ten bloody times before I'd even contemplate changing anything, with my average isk payouts using it from actual experience. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 344	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:13:00 - [18] - Quote Some true statements some false. Dust isn't pay to win yet, yet, unless you pay real money for a BPO you will invest ISK to play while people with a BPO won't. You're paying for a direct ingame economic advantage, which is directly tied to how the game plays out over time. Truly reducing dust into KD ratio. We can have standard suits with proto level bonuses. We can have proto suits with BPO weapons,modules and proto bonuses to the suits the modules and the weapons. Yes, CCP is a business that need to make money, and its the bottom line that matters much more than game play. We can take time to throw together Stripper Jara, sure why not? Apex suits, cool. Pilots suits.... not really. Propose an AUR version, we'll have them by hotfix echo. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2414	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:21:00 - [19] - Quote If we dont hear something soon about Legion then I am convinced that this is all a last minute realisation / cash grab. Only time will tell. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1108	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:24:00 - [20] - Quote WTF are you on about. A new player could spend 3 weeks grinding factional and as long as they are squading up instead of just losing by running solo in FW. This is the first time a player has been able to unlock a blueprint without spending a dime. Not only that these suits have lower requirements for them to start using them. Yes it is a grind but everything in Dust is a grind thats why you pay for shortcuts. The player that grinds for them instead of buying them will end up with a better suit thanks to the SP gained from time grinding. This is the most UN pay to win thing we have gotten IMO. The suits are even locked fittings which ensure that the only difference between two players using it is skill. I am quick to criticize CCP but you just obviously got your feelings hurt by the price of the suits or something. Chill out and go run some FW, you will have one of the BPOs in no time and be happy.

Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 493	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:28:00 - [21] - Quote I'll get some cus they look nice. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 82	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:31:00 - [22] - Quote Agree with deezy dabest. Ripley, remember they have to make $$. CCP is not a non-profit business Also they can always take them out of the market and refund the players. This might happen in the future where they have other sources of income. Amarr Victor
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4702	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:38:00 - [23] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: A new player could spend 3 weeks grinding factional and as long as they are squading up instead of just losing by running solo in FW. This is the first time a player has been able to unlock a blueprint without spending a dime. Not only that these suits have lower requirements for them to start using them. Yes it is a grind but everything in Dust is a grind thats why you pay for shortcuts. What are you going on about? Why would a new player want to spend 3+ weeks in FW (where they lose money, btw) just to purchase a dropsuit that makes them competitive? My advice to you, playa...
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7176	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:57:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Nice shtpost. This one is your best yet. Confirmed. My immediate response is "game is not going pay to win" though the current bug in the new suits makes them win pretty freaking hard. (Expect a fix.) The new BPOs tend to lead towards being a little more tanky, but lower on damage. I still expect properly fit ISK suits to carve them to shreds. When they're fixed. When are you going to realize that Pay-to-Win is subjective to the players who are paying for the things and the players who aren't? Seriously, don't automatically dismiss whatever a person is saying because you disagree with it, makes me regret voting for you. Oh, *, I didn't. Hah. Seriously, there's nothing more infuriating than people bending the terminology to suit their argument. Compare these two things: League of Legends: Which allows you to buy different skins for your character but they don't really do anything other than change the skin. You can also buy characters early but they're no more powerful than the character if they're bought with in-game currency. By the way, you don't have to keep buying them once they've been bought for -either- side. Dust 514: You can pay for your equipment with in-game currency every-time you lose it or you can shell out these fancy things call Dollar Bills and -never have to pay for the ** again-. Which do you think is more closely aligned to pay-to-win? Standard BPO's were already teetering on the edge of BS because there wasn't any loss in performance like Militia. Now we have "Pre-fitted" Proto BPO's which seems like a justification/excuse to me. Sure, it's pre-fitted with standard modules but when you look at an Amarr Sentinel; that value can't be beat. Why? Because -NOT ONLY- did you offer them up a PROTOTYPE BPO you offered them up -STANDARD MODULE BPOs- which aren't even available outside of those suits. EDIT: Oh, one more thing, League of Legends? Doesn't have permanent, persistent, LASTING consequences that affect an entire game-world: New Eden. Long-Term Roadmap This Player is Against Proto BPOs
DarthPlagueis TheWise 364	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:01:00 - [25] - Quote I'm not worried. Know why? Because if this game truly becomes P2W they won't get another nickel from me. Sure I'm worried about the future of DUST because a transition to P2W would be the final nail in the coffin but hopefully it doesn't come to this. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4705	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:02:00 - [26] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I'm not worried. Know why? Because if this game truly becomes P2W they won't get another nickel from me. Sure I'm worried about the future of DUST because a transition to P2W would be the final nail in the coffin but hopefully it doesn't come to this. Ever heard the saying, "Hope in one hand, **** in the other. See which one fills up first"? My advice to you, playa...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4714	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:55:00 - [27] - Quote Isa Lucifer wrote: Ripley, remember they have to make $$. CCP is not a non-profit business CCP is a business. I understand that point and they must make money for them to continue developing the game. I get that. They are choosing the EASY way out with this proto BPO nonsense. They have a range of options that are not even close to P2W, but they are going with this one because it is a sure thing. My advice to you, playa...


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