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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:02:00 -
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i got min scout L1 and sofar im likeing it but there is some heavy drawbacks and not sure im fitting it right.
I NEED SAGELY ADVICE! Minja advice only.. all yall other scouts can go suck a HMG barrel :P
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:31:00 -
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Why not go to The Barbershop?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why not go to The Barbershop?
^
We made that thread for a reason.
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:58:00 -
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im not FOTM enough ;p
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Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:03:00 -
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Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
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maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:09:00 -
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Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
Real scouts use sidearms no battle rifles. |
maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:12:00 -
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On basic minja run 1complex damp 1 complex kin kat. 2 complex percision enhancer, basic smg, adv knives, basic flux, basic remotes, adv cloak. Assuming your electronics and engineering are 5. |
maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:14:00 -
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Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
Using damage mod on knives is stupid get your suit and proficiency maxed and you will at most have to 2 charge atab a proto heavy. I say again damage mods on a minja is a very stupid thing to do. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:17:00 -
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Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
some good advice. thanks
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:22:00 -
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maluble wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
Real scouts use sidearms no battle rifles.
Why, when the combat rifle has more DPS, range, and is actually easier to fit?
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Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:26:00 -
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maluble wrote:On basic minja run 1complex damp 1 complex kin kat. 2 complex percision enhancer, basic smg, adv knives, basic flux, basic remotes, adv cloak. Assuming your electronics and engineering are 5.
Expect to get blapped by good scout players in that fit, you'll do fine against scrubs. I'd stick with one more dampener and make sure I'm not being seen by more scouts.
maluble wrote:
Using damage mod on knives is stupid get your suit and proficiency maxed and you will at most have to 2 charge atab a proto heavy. I say again damage mods on a minja is a very stupid thing to do.
You have the least amount of health when using ewar out of all scouts, taking people down very quickly is a must and it's nice if paired with another sidearm... until you have proto knives and some proficiency and your proto mk0, I'd run a damage mod. |
Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:29:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Every other non-newbro there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:30:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Everyone else there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. i just wanted something derpy and different to the stress and expense of logi :P
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:41:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Everyone else there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. i just wanted something derpy and different to the stress and expense of logi :P Knifing in a MinScout is an absolute blast. You won't be able to fit a cloak 'til level 4 or 5. I'd run an active scanner in the meantime to avoid LOS and find flanks more reliably. And don't forget the damps! |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:43:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Everyone else there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. i just wanted something derpy and different to the stress and expense of logi :P Knifing in a MinScout is an absolute blast. You won't be able to fit a cloak 'til level 4 or 5. I'd run an active scanner in the meantime to avoid LOS and find flanks more reliably. And don't forget the damps! alredy been using CR+NK+active scanner with RE and plates+extenders but felt i lacked ewar this is why i asked and i guess ic an drop the reactive for a damp.
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Vitantur Nothus
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:01:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Everyone else there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. i just wanted something derpy and different to the stress and expense of logi :P Knifing in a MinScout is an absolute blast. You won't be able to fit a cloak 'til level 4 or 5. I'd run an active scanner in the meantime to avoid LOS and find flanks more reliably. And don't forget the damps! alredy been using CR+NK+active scanner with RE and plates+extenders but felt i lacked ewar this is why i asked and i guess ic an drop the reactive for a damp. Yes, Knifing without damps is usually a bad idea :-)
One complex damp will beat half-arsed scans. Two will get you under stronger, more common scans. Three (plus proto cloak) will get you under all scans.
Should questions come up along the way, feel free to swing by the barbershop and ask. |
Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:04:00 -
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Post your skills. Do you have your cores done, dampening 5, etc? |
Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:13:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Post your skills. Do you have your cores done, dampening 5, etc? cores are nearly there, damping is only 2 atm :|
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VikingKong iBUN
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:16:00 -
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maluble wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Damps n Speed in lows CR with NK, REs and Flux Grenades.
I recommend two damps until you get your proto suit or unless you know there's not many scouts on other side. Your goal is not to be seen, like at all. :)
You have two options from this point either stack all shield as you don't have much HP and you'll have to hunt other scouts when their glimmer runs passed you or you can stack precision and see red chevrons on those scouts as their glimmer runs by but the drawback is you're paper thin and on high HP suits it takes multiple stabs to get the job done.
From my experience with the ZN28 you need more health to survive a little bit of HMG spray when that heavy turns around after the first stab. I've only used adv knives, I imagine they get pretty wicked at the proto level with proficiency and a damage mod.
Real scouts use sidearms no battle rifles. Only because they can't be asked to use the equipment menu to select their NKs while cloaked. |
Aria Gomes
Wirykomi Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:38:00 -
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Get your damps to 5. Also Kin Cats to 5. I'm not sure what your knives are at but definitely get proficiency 3, or 5 if you wanna run knives all day every day. Ummmm. .. primary weapon is up to you. System Hacking to 3 at least since you can get complex codebreakers from Gal LP store.
I personally only run 1 complex shield extender, 2 complex precision enhancers, with either a (damp & kin cat) or (dual kin cat). The two precision enhancers makeup for our crappy eWar, and the damp will help you not be seen by heavies or medium frames (unless they have a Scout on their squad).
For equipment compact hive or REs, or both. I didn't fit the cloak that much because I felt like it was a PG killer especially when I wanted to be fast as well.
Also I don't mind being seen by other scouts or scanners. But I like to speed tank so I'm willing to be seen. I think I'm the only scout that doesn't care about damps that much because I'd rather just hack, knife and run. I'm already paper thin anyways if I'm seen while damped, I'm dead because I can't run away fast enough. But that's just me.
I say try the different ways with the Minja. Damped, Speed, Hacker, and a fake Active Scanner (precision enhancers, no shields, 2 range amps).
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Aria Gomes
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Posted - 2014.11.08 17:40:00 -
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maluble wrote:On basic minja run 1complex damp 1 complex kin kat. 2 complex percision enhancer, basic smg, adv knives, basic flux, basic remotes, adv cloak. Assuming your electronics and engineering are 5.
That's what I generally ran, except proto knives, compact hive and a pistol.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.11.09 05:39:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Every other non-newbro there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. Arkena Wyrnspire had a Scout suit before Uprising 1.7.
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Posted - 2014.11.09 06:07:00 -
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If you wanna talk shop, go visit the shop.
Otherwise, damp and speed are your friends, getting good helps, you have a very high ceiling with this suit, but an even higher learning curve.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.11.09 06:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Every other non-newbro there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. Arkena Wyrnspire had a Scout suit before Uprising 1.7. This is true
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.11.09 06:38:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Atiim wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:im not FOTM enough ;p The only FoTM scout in the barbershop is Arkena. Every other non-newbro there was running Scout long before Scouts were worth running. Arkena Wyrnspire had a Scout suit before Uprising 1.7. This is true
Does not exempt him from being a FotM Scout!
*looks back at post history* I was running 4 complex plates on my Gal Scout before it was cool
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2014.11.09 06:47:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Joel II X wrote:Post your skills. Do you have your cores done, dampening 5, etc? cores are nearly there, damping is only 2 atm :| Lol then that idea is thrown right out the window.
What about biotics? Have an kincats? |
Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.11.09 07:02:00 -
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Get Profile Dampening to 5 ASAP. This is additionally help give you more options with any Assaults of Logistics suits you have. Get Min-Scout to lvl 3 after that. A paltry SP cost.
ZN-28's are your friend.
2x Basic Shield Extenders BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle ZN-28 Nova Knives 2x Complex Profile Dampeners.
You only have to worry about being scanned by lvl 5 Amarr Scouts using 2 complex precision enhancers or the Gal-Logi focused scanner. But the second doesn't come around often and even if it does you have a nice warning telling you to turn around and run the **** away until that 5 seconds of visibility are over
Use whatever EQ you like. I prefer a basic nanohive and basic REs on that Scout M-I personally. And a Flux Grenade. But Flux Grenades to me is like Frank's red-hot. I put that **** on everything
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.11.09 07:19:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote: Does not exempt him from being a FotM Scout!
It wouldn't exempt anyone from being a "FoTM Scout".
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Lloyd Orfay
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Posted - 2014.11.09 08:05:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i got min scout L1 and sofar im likeing it but there is some heavy drawbacks and not sure im fitting it right.
I NEED SAGELY ADVICE! Minja advice only.. all yall other scouts can go suck a HMG barrel :P
PS. not even parcour practitioner or postapoc gonna post? :O
To exploit a minscout you need a high as possible ewar skill level.
I'd say level 4 and up for dampening and precision. Then the rest you kincat that ************ up. It helps to kill people by jumping and aiming for the head(plus sometimes jumps fill the gap between you and a target because being a nova knifing minja is all about getting to and slashing people as quickly as possible)
I haven't seen many proto scouts or amarr scouts, just cal and gal scouts. Even though going calscout is slightly nonsensical because the amarr and gal scouts can have the most unfair amount of power in a battlefield(unless they wanted to use calscout to tank but still you're missing out on armour)
I could bet you not many of these scouts have full core skills so you having higher core skills can give you a bigger advantage.
A shield tanked and speed tanked min scout can be quite scary, too. |
Sinboto Simmons
Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.09 08:11:00 -
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Ask two scouts, get twenty answers.
I may have missed it but what's your preference on playstyle? You a hacker, support(scanner), ghost, or fast response?
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