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Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 483	Posted - 2014.11.08 06:09:00 - [1] - Quote In my best Groo voice---"LIGHT BULB" I had this idea that impressed me (all my ideas impress me) that WHAT IF: Rather than having a db of their own scans, active scanners blast out an "amplifier wave" that temporarily increases the db of all hit targets. Example: Scouty McScoutpants is running around with a db of 5 when he gets hit by a scan from Logisuit Larry's active scanner and suddenly his db is 55. Now everybody who has Scouty within their scan radius can see him. Furthermore, an active scanner's effectiveness could be augmented by racial bonuses granted from skilling logi suits which increases bonuses with skill level. Some suggestions: Gallente could have highest db boost Caldari could add to range targets are scannable from Amarr could have longest ping duration Minmitar could have fastest cooldown Scanners could either add a flat bonus based on tier (ex: +40db at proto) or add a percentage of the targets current db (ex: +40% at proto) Benefit: Scanners would not have as drastic an effect on gameplay but still be very useful. The story beind this wacky idea: I'm running around timidly in my cheapass dual sidearm scout looking for something to shoot at, having no luck, wondering where all the reds are. Right on que, a teammate fires up his scanner and suddenly red dots aplenty appear on the other side of the battlefield. I immediately abandon cover and make a beeline across open ground towards the prey. It then occurs to me blues from all corners of the map are surely doing the same. That doesn't seem right I think. Only teammates within a certain range should be able to see them; it should be tied to the teammates own scan range. And then all the above happened. So there it is. Love it, tweak it, flame it as you will. AKA - StarVenger
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 402	Posted - 2014.11.08 07:37:00 - [2] - Quote Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Seems legit. I like it better then how scanners work currently actually. Would they stack though? Like would 5 garbage scanners light a galscout up? Stacking penalty if true? Have it total up like damage then wear off ? Cool idea +1 Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
CamClarke KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 228	Posted - 2014.11.08 12:29:00 - [3] - Quote With how short passives are in this game without being an ewar scout, that's literally the same as taking them out of the game entirely.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 833	Posted - 2014.11.08 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote It's a nice concept. Personally I see that as an alternative to the Active Scanner, basically a Minmatar Target Painter Active scanner: Short duration scanning distributes target information to everyone on the map Target painter: Longer duration target painting allows other suits to scan by themselves within their radius If at any time we could get a system where scans aren't absolute but maybe based on worsening luck as scan radius increases these two would fill very different roles.
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 485	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Seems legit. I like it better then how scanners work currently actually. Would they stack though? Like would 5 garbage scanners light a galscout up? Stacking penalty if true? Have it total up like damage then wear off ? Cool idea +1 That's a good question. I hadn't considered that. I would think no stacking as it would steal thunder from the logi who actually spent the sp to go proto. AKA - StarVenger
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 485	Posted - 2014.11.08 18:05:00 - [6] - Quote Another example: Larry the Logiguy is using a STD scanner. He hits Scouty with a scan that adds 25 db to Scouty's 5db. Larry had 1 level in Gal Logi which adds another 5 making Scouty's new total db 35. Now all blue scouts within 20m can see Scouty. If Larry were using ADV scanner the bonuses would push Scouty' db high enough so that all scouts and assaults could see him. At proto, even heavies could see him. AKA - StarVenger
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18846	Posted - 2014.11.08 18:16:00 - [7] - Quote So, essentially, make active scanners only viable for scouts? No. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 485	Posted - 2014.11.08 18:22:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So, essentially, make active scanners only viable for scouts? No. Not sure how you got that. I suggested Logis get racial bonuses. Why do you say that? Please help. AKA - StarVenger
Silver Strike44 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 182	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:03:00 - [9] - Quote The idea has merit, but as someone has already said, most suits' passive scan range are much too short to make use of this. This could be useful against shotgun scouts that are normally hard to scan and have to get close to their targets to engage in effective combat. In most cases, though, this change would mostly just benefit scouts and only against other scouts. Scouts are the only ones with even decent base passive scan range and they can scan every other suit besides scouts that dont run dampeners. I think this is more of what Arkena was getting at, that this change would benefit scouts most due to their longer ranged scans. Me: Donate to The Rammeh McRam House Charity. Scrub: What's the cause? Rammeh: I'm retarded.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18852	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:04:00 - [10] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So, essentially, make active scanners only viable for scouts? No. Not sure how you got that. I suggested Logis get racial bonuses. Why do you say that? Please help. EDIT: Wait, you mean AGAINST scouts? Hmmmm.... I think I see what you mean. So in order to be more than just a scout detector they would all need to add range as well because everybody can already scan a heavy. Right? No. Viable as an aid for scouts. Nobody else has a passive scan range even close to a scout. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef

Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 486	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:07:00 - [11] - Quote ^ Yes, that's why I answered you with have it increase range target is scanable from because you are correct. AKA - StarVenger
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5871	Posted - 2014.11.09 03:17:00 - [12] - Quote CCP! Hire this man! Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5872	Posted - 2014.11.09 03:19:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So, essentially, make active scanners only viable for scouts? No. Range amplifiers would finally have a use of non scout suits. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Silver Strike44 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.11.09 06:30:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So, essentially, make active scanners only viable for scouts? No. Range amplifiers would finally have a use of non scout suits. Only in conjunction with a single piece of equipment? Me: Donate to The Rammeh McRam House Charity. Scrub: What's the cause? Rammeh: I'm retarded.
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 490	Posted - 2014.11.09 06:49:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: No. Viable as an aid for scouts. Nobody else has a passive scan range even close to a scout. Correct. But scouts already have the best passive precision and can see almost everybody else without this system's help. In fact, the only reds this will help scouts find that they can't already see are other super damped scouts. So now that I'm understanding this, perhaps I was wrong to suggest all scanners boost range. Could this for once be a system scouts can't benefit from as much as the other roles? I'm sure others will find something to poke a hole in it. AKA - StarVenger
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 490	Posted - 2014.11.09 06:54:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: CCP! Hire this man! AKA - StarVenger


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