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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.07 04:17:00 -
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On the course of historical study I happened across an interesting document: The Pro-Slavery Argument by Thomas Dew (1832). It is peculiar indeed because it defends the institution of slavery through s very empirical view with subtleties of rationalism.
- His 1st point(The document itself notes the passages in terms of points): Slavery is not against religion
- 2nd point: Slaves and masters have a parent child relationship which is often beneficial to both parties. This relationship is a kind one which often leads to the master teaching the slave how to act properly and the slave is joyous to oblige his master
- 3rd point: That slavery helps promote republicanism amongst masters thereby benefitting society
- 4th point: As long as slaves continue to be treated kindly, as they surely are already, then slaves cannot rebel because of the kind way in which they see their masters
I find it truly fascinating that his views line up so well with the views of the Amarr.
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Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 05:59:00 -
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Believe it or not but the Caldari society really doesn't mind slavery. I can't remember their exactly if I'm right but im 60% sure they don't mind it. Something about cost affective hard labor.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:19:00 -
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They don't line up with the Amarr at all.
They differ on a fundamental level.
1.) He suggests Amarr make use of slaves because it is not against religion, whereas the Amarr fundamentally incorporate the act of slave taking with their scripture. The Amarr race believe that they are doing the work of God by gathering these people together under a single banner and spreading their religion. Even during the early days after the Amarr claimed Assimia and the two Udorian Continents it was considered fashionable to release slaves who had show piety and loyalty to their masters.
In the centuries subsequent years following the Amarr found it to be a powerful means of subjugating a local populous and the naturally inducting them into society like the Udorians and Ni-Kunni who unlike the Ealur were capable of functioning indepentantly and within the Amarrian social sphere.
2.) While the second point makes sense the Holder is responsible for the Slave being taught the correct conventions of Amarrian culture, and this differs slightly when you consider that the Amarr are not teach the Minmatar to obey them but instead directing their obedience and worship to God and the chosen vessel of his secular authority.
3.) The Empire is wholly the furthest thing for a Republic or a republicanist state you could possible have. The title of Emperor or Empress is essentially hereditary as it is passed down through the Heir household lines, though is not dynastic like a traditional monarchy or dictatorship. All of these decisions and ceremonies have to be supported by the Privy and Theological Councils meaning that simply proving oneself worthy is not enough. As state in many sources the Amarr is a Theocracy under the divine leadership of the nobility backed by the church.
4.) Fourth point is subject to history. Only recently did the Amarr come to suggest that the mistreatment of slaves was negative as previously they had on many occasions harshly treated enslaved cultures, especially the Ealur who were nearly made extinct under the whip. Furthermore only liberal Holders and devotees of Emperor Heideran consider this to be the case though secular law dictates that publically they should treat slaves with benevolences however the Amarr are public people who are resistant to social change especially where their religion and household traditions are concerned. As such as long as this all happens behind closed doors and does not become public the matter is not questioned.
However slave revolts in recent years have been common. After Vak'Atioth, after the Elder Invasion, after the Insorium incident and despite the newer more liberal and gentle methods the Amarr use to indoctrinate slaves the Minmatar still remain stubborn.
There literally is no real parallel on this earth for the slavery that exists within the Amarr Empire.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14269
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:21:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Believe it or not but the Caldari society really doesn't mind slavery. I can't remember their exactly if I'm right but im 60% sure they don't mind it. Something about cost affective hard labor.
The Caldari simply, as I recall do no truly have a concept for it. I believe somewhere that it was written that a citizen should want to contribute to their people, being forced to do so is a sign of disrespect.
Moreover the Caldari consider forced labour inefficient and a waste of man power.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.07 10:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:They don't line up with the Amarr at all.
They differ on a fundamental level.
1.) He suggests Amarr make use of slaves because it is not against religion, whereas the Amarr fundamentally incorporate the act of slave taking with their scripture. The Amarr race believe that they are doing the work of God by gathering these people together under a single banner and spreading their religion. Even during the early days after the Amarr claimed Assimia and the two Udorian Continents it was considered fashionable to release slaves who had show piety and loyalty to their masters.
In the centuries subsequent years following the Amarr found it to be a powerful means of subjugating a local populous and the naturally inducting them into society like the Udorians and Ni-Kunni who unlike the Ealur were capable of functioning indepentantly and within the Amarrian social sphere.
There literally is no real parallel on this earth for the slavery that exists within the Amarr Empire.
I'm not even sure you actually read his first point. Because if you're basing your assumption over my VERY short summary it is a bad response because a mere two sentences cannot cover what he says in paragraphs.
For example in the first point, not only does he say that slavery is not against religion, but that even if it way against religion that to stop slavery at that point in time would be worse than to keep it going. Dew also argues that masters teach their slaves by being positive role models and benevolent defenders. Furthermore he goes on to say that Israelites were slave owners and yet were never talked down to by God on that subject. Even more damming is the fact that he says that Jesus actually PROMOTED slavery by saying that all people should practice piety or obedience in society and so a slave should obey his master.
Let us not forget that the Amarr themselves gradually twisted their religion to include slavery directly. Because, they originally saw themselves as teachers of all non Amarr, but concluded (over centuries) that slavery was the best practice for actually "teaching" other people.
So while Dew may not line up 100% with the contemporary Amarr: his views line up very well with the old Amarr way of thinking.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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