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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
465
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:44:00 -
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Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514.
AKA - StarVenger
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1975
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:51:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514.
Yup.
That 200m scanner. Wow.
Pair a Gal Logi and a few cloaked scouts in a squad for lolz.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1094
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:53:00 -
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if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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RAMB0
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:58:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514.
You cant have your cake and eat it too |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5823
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:59:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly.
So basically is you want to do any type of flanking you have to have a super dampened scout. What if I want to flank like I used to be able to in 1.8 with heavies and assaults? Are those tactics obsolete now on those suits?
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14157
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:00:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514.
Beats even **** poorly damped scouts running under my two adv scans with impunity.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
467
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:05:00 -
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RAMB0 wrote:You cant have your cake and eat it too I don't like that cake.
I want TACOS!
AKA - StarVenger
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
467
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:08:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly. I wasn't running scout, I'm trying to go assault.
I did pretty well sneaking around in my heavy yesterday. Today...lolz.
AKA - StarVenger
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
468
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:09:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly. So basically is you want to do any type of flanking you have to have a super dampened scout. What if I want to flank like I used to be able to in 1.8 with heavies and assaults? Are those tactics obsolete now on those suits? It would appear to be useless now. I saw reds lit up before they even left their redline.
AKA - StarVenger
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1674
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:10:00 -
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Just theorizing here, but, these scanners are not our final scanners...
We will have 2 types:
Team Scanners- share info with your bluedots, weaker (precision, range, cool down, duration)
Squad Scanners- share info with only your greens, stronger in comparison.
As far as I can tell, all current scanners are team based and have the same strength as they have had for awhile, thus, they are pretty dang strong.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1099
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly. So basically is you want to do any type of flanking you have to have a super dampened scout. What if I want to flank like I used to be able to in 1.8 with heavies and assaults? Are those tactics obsolete now on those suits?
if you want to sacrifice hp.
an assault suit is a heavy assault cruiser. not an ewar platform.
fit tank and dps or gimp yourself by forcing your suit into a role its not made for.
if you tried to do ewarfare with an hac in eve people would laugh at you.
its a specialized role. not a versatile do it all suit. use it correctly, use it poorly and die, or dont use it at all.
sentinels are point defense like marauders. your not supposed to flank, your supposed to defend an area like a boss in darksouls.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Aramis Madrigal
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
307
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:20:00 -
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RAMB0 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514. You cant have your cake and eat it too
Is pie still an option? |
Louis Domi
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
745
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:24:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:if your not dampening a scout thats your own fault when you get spotted.
your choice is hp or people knowing where you are.
use your suit properly.
Ha. Have you seen some of these scouts rocking that 400+ ehp? Not to mention their speed. |
Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
259
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:47:00 -
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As a gal logi I love it. Finally we Solos can help in an additional way. Never saw a good reason why it was squad only. Why would we not share intel with our team? Makes no sense.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
18675
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:03:00 -
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They light up huge areas?
Were the actual scanners themselves buffed?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1204
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:11:00 -
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There is a ton of work that still needs to be done on scanners:
1) It is basically crap outside of the gallente logi.
2) 200m 90 degree is insane
3) There is no reason for 90% of the scanners due to the dominance of a few
EWAR tool
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:12:00 -
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Most hillarious moment of the day for me was when i was playing gal. logi, pop scans, unveil a single guy who then gets chased by 10 heavys. I knew it would be glorious.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
365
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:12:00 -
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Yeah no flanking unless you dampened your suit hardcore, only scouts can flank. I like to flank as a min assault but i don't have the speed and use of the cloak to avoid detection now. Rollback the team scans until new scanners are released.
8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion
Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears
OMG the Tears!! :)
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
242
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:14:00 -
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Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
318
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:27:00 -
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 I like this thread---kudos to the author!
I am a beliver in Scouts invisibility versus general-scanners ALWAYS being a tight thin line that's easy to fall to one side or the other. The technology of "Stealth or Dampening" should be effective enough that it players can defeat general scanning,...but the technology of "Scanning" should always push up its game so that only Scout-players can succeed in fully escaping it once boosted scanning is used.
I think I saw something about Rattati wanting to introduce better scanners ONLY as the 1st stage of improvements----and the 2nd stage was to eventually make players choose if they want to buy the scanner that shares with squad-only or with team (2 brands of scanner on the Market).
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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StaySqueezy
EveGate Marines
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:33:00 -
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The scans are kind of much but I do like the fact the cloak is no longer an` "I win" type of thing. I was getting really tired of getting killed by cloaked shotguns. Cloak is still effective but now requires more skill to use.
"How do you keep a dog from biting you on monday?".........."You kill it on sunday."
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Zakkus Spartan
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:34:00 -
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Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills. |
StaySqueezy
EveGate Marines
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:36:00 -
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Zakkus Spartan wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills.
The difference is before, only your squad could see your active scans but now the whole team can. Basically if one person has a scanner, your whole team can know where everyone is. Its nice when you get kills but sucks when you"re trying to be sneaky sneaky.
"How do you keep a dog from biting you on monday?".........."You kill it on sunday."
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
900
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:41:00 -
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Zakkus Spartan wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills.
When scanners were changed last it went to squad only. Now it is team again, but you still only get points from squad kills.
Tbh scanners have been in a bad place since the last nerf. Scouts still only have to worry about 1 scanner, on 1 suit. These changes really havent helped scanners much. Scouts will still dominate matches.
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Zakkus Spartan
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:43:00 -
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StaySqueezy wrote:Zakkus Spartan wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills. The difference is before, only your squad could see your active scans but now the whole team can. Basically if one person has a scanner, your whole team can know where everyone is. Its nice when you get kills but sucks when you"re trying to be sneaky sneaky.
Well sob... are we 100% sure on this? If so... I feel like a moron assuming my team was seeing the red dots on the minimap at the very minimum.
UGGGG all those wasted "being a team player while rollling solo" times... |
Zakkus Spartan
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:45:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Zakkus Spartan wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills. When scanners were changed last it went to squad only. Now it is team again, but you still only get points from squad kills. Tbh scanners have been in a bad place since the last nerf. Scouts still only have to worry about 1 scanner, on 1 suit. These changes really havent helped scanners much. Scouts will still dominate matches.
Shuza.... my ignorance once again gets the best if me... o well. |
StaySqueezy
EveGate Marines
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:45:00 -
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Zakkus Spartan wrote:StaySqueezy wrote:Zakkus Spartan wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Did they change active scans other than to make them either team based or squad based?
Scanners have always shared its results with the team so long as I remember. The only change this patch did was reward those scanning with wps from outside the squad kills. The difference is before, only your squad could see your active scans but now the whole team can. Basically if one person has a scanner, your whole team can know where everyone is. Its nice when you get kills but sucks when you"re trying to be sneaky sneaky. Well sob... are we 100% sure on this? If so... I feel like a moron assuming my team was seeing the red dots on the minimap at the very minimum. UGGGG all those wasted "being a team player while rollling solo" times...
They were not as of the last update haha but now you can continue doing so as now everyone can see it. You still only get WP for squad kills though.
How do you keep a dog from biting you on Monday?..........You kill it on Sunday.
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Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
161
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:00:00 -
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RAMB0 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Unless you are a super damped scout you can forget about ever avoiding scans again. Active scanners light up huge areas and share scans with ENTIRE team. Nobody can sneak up on/ flank anybody without being seen. I just played a dom in a new socket, reds just encircled the objective and spammed the scanners. No blue could get anywhere near without an HMG greeting them.
So much for all the hard learned flanking tactics and map knowledge advantages. It would seem it's now perma wall hack 514. You cant have your cake after you eaten it
Yup.
We all know scouts learning tactics is a myth.
Being a scout is the easiest thing to do (except when your me and you specced into a scout solely to fight scouts and snipers that were screwing with the game just like scouts during the time, and you had your skill bonuses horribly butchered for no reason. You only have a basic cloak which was made useless to scouts too, so then you have to forge yourself into a no-cloak team supporting badass just to survive and get some decent amounts of SP) |
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