DUST Search - Flaylocks should make Dropships fly crazy again

Juno Tristan wrote:

Shutter Fly wrote:

This, and don't try to come back with the worn out "Dropships cost more" argument, that isn't the issue.

When someone calls in an ADS or tank, it is -1 infantry unit for their team, but it forces 2 infantry on the opposing team to counter that vehicle if destroying it is the desired result. If the opposing team only dedicates 1 infantry unit to AV, then that will allow the vehicle to get kills, while the vehicle is very unlikely to be destroyed, resulting in an unbalanced likelihood of clone loss. One infantry in a DS can also defend an area much more effectively that one infantry, has much more mobility, and requires many more infantry dedicated to retaliating.

You have to pick between higher efficiency but harder counters, or lower efficiency but less effective counters. Vehicles pilots seem to insist on having the best of both. Currently, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past, but there is still a bit of imbalance, imo.

But have you seen the cost? Big smile

With the current strength of sidearms and the commando suit I don't see it as a loss to infantry to run a swarm launcher. Yes if you're running an assault, but why would you put a swarm launcher on an assault?

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5775	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:22:00 - [1] - Quote They use to make Dropships move erratically if you shot one that got close. I think this ability should be re-enabled. Because it is annoying when Dropships are following you two meters above your head all the way around the map. Now there's something to fall back on. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2319	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:24:00 - [2] - Quote I believe the response from Dropship pilots would be something like "go hang yourself" but I think a better response would be "utilize a Swarm Launcher, a Forge Gun, or a Plasma Cannon to counter Dropships and other vehicles." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5775	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:37:00 - [3] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I believe the response from Dropship pilots would be something like "go hang yourself" but I think a better response would be "utilize a Swarm Launcher, a Forge Gun, or a Plasma Cannon to counter Dropships and other vehicles." I'm talking just your average guy that wants to cross the street without a Dropship following above you the entire length of the map. At least HAV's and LAV's can be lost around corners. Dropships, not so much. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:37:00 - [4] - Quote Go hang yourself
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 750	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:59:00 - [5] - Quote I miss blowing them up by making them crash lol, im in, hate ads! DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5776	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:00:00 - [6] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I miss blowing them up by making them crash lol, im in, hate ads! Yes, yes, embrace the darkness Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5776	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:00:00 - [7] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1897	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:26:00 - [8] - Quote Good idea, let's give all infantry the capability to counter dropships again, I mean milita swarms will make any dropship run for the hills at afterburner speed but you know what, they just aren't bad enough. OP let's also make the bolt pistol flip lav's because I sometimes forget to look both ways when crossing the street and get hit by them and find it annoying. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5776	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Good idea, let's give all infantry the capability to counter dropships again, I mean milita swarms will make any dropship run for the hills at afterburner speed but you know what, they just aren't bad enough. OP let's also make the bolt pistol flip lav's because I sometimes forget to look both ways when crossing the street and get hit by them and find it annoying. I wish I'd thought about that. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:35:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much?

Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1897	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:41:00 - [11] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much? Skysharks need love too! Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6397	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:41:00 - [12] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much? Multiple reasons, mostly the risk/reward factor being off, also many pilots' defence of blatantly abused features over the length of three years or so. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5777	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:59:00 - [13] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much? A lot of the forum going pilots tend to be easy to dislike people. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 438	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:00:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much? Multiple reasons, mostly the risk/reward factor being off, also many pilots' defence of blatantly abused features over the length of three years or so. This, and don't try to come back with the worn out "Dropships cost more" argument, that isn't the issue. When someone calls in an ADS or tank, it is -1 infantry unit for their team, but it forces 2 infantry on the opposing team to counter that vehicle if destroying it is the desired result. If the opposing team only dedicates 1 infantry unit to AV, then that will allow the vehicle to get kills, while the vehicle is very unlikely to be destroyed, resulting in an unbalanced likelihood of clone loss. One infantry in a DS can also defend an area much more effectively that one infantry, has much more mobility, and requires many more infantry dedicated to retaliating. You have to pick between higher efficiency but harder counters, or lower efficiency but less effective counters. Vehicles pilots seem to insist on having the best of both. Currently, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past, but there is still a bit of imbalance, imo.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:26:00 - [15] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: This, and don't try to come back with the worn out "Dropships cost more" argument, that isn't the issue. When someone calls in an ADS or tank, it is -1 infantry unit for their team, but it forces 2 infantry on the opposing team to counter that vehicle if destroying it is the desired result. If the opposing team only dedicates 1 infantry unit to AV, then that will allow the vehicle to get kills, while the vehicle is very unlikely to be destroyed, resulting in an unbalanced likelihood of clone loss. One infantry in a DS can also defend an area much more effectively that one infantry, has much more mobility, and requires many more infantry dedicated to retaliating. You have to pick between higher efficiency but harder counters, or lower efficiency but less effective counters. Vehicles pilots seem to insist on having the best of both. Currently, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past, but there is still a bit of imbalance, imo. But have you seen the cost? With the current strength of sidearms and the commando suit I don't see it as a loss to infantry to run a swarm launcher. Yes if you're running an assault, but why would you put a swarm launcher on an assault?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4344	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:30:00 - [16] - Quote Yes and every time I shoot at the sky with my scr the holy light of God should blind the enemy. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 158	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:31:00 - [17] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Go hang yourself Get out of your ship and do it yourself. Lol, why do people hate vehicles so much? Stupdity. There isn't a reason to hate vehicles anymore as some they can prevent one sided battles if you're lucky. Nearly every AV weapon is overpowered, dropships can provide tactical advantage but are hard to use from weird physics + extreme knockback from AV ,keeps pilots on edge. Turrets being too close to objectives/ in the redline make the job even worse. Tanks though need to be given better roles(something like tanks being better at AV/better at installation destruction and given more installations to kill/anti-infantry skills or something that allows them to eliminate high value infantry targets but leave everyone else alone) Only thing to hate are ADS but they aren't overpowered anymore, or tank uberfits. Lavs are almost useless. Vehicles are basically there to be used to provide tactical advantage. Some are practically op but others are not, and besides me some people spec into vehicles as a last resort because of faulty infantry gameplay and the collateral damage from some hotfixes, yet players who never use vehicles can be antisocial and just want them removed/useless. On small vacation surfing on Caldari Tanks.
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:58:00 - [18] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: This, and don't try to come back with the worn out "Dropships cost more" argument, that isn't the issue. When someone calls in an ADS or tank, it is -1 infantry unit for their team, but it forces 2 infantry on the opposing team to counter that vehicle if destroying it is the desired result. If the opposing team only dedicates 1 infantry unit to AV, then that will allow the vehicle to get kills, while the vehicle is very unlikely to be destroyed, resulting in an unbalanced likelihood of clone loss. One infantry in a DS can also defend an area much more effectively that one infantry, has much more mobility, and requires many more infantry dedicated to retaliating. You have to pick between higher efficiency but harder counters, or lower efficiency but less effective counters. Vehicles pilots seem to insist on having the best of both. Currently, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past, but there is still a bit of imbalance, imo. But have you seen the cost? With the current strength of sidearms and the commando suit I don't see it as a loss to infantry to run a swarm launcher. Yes if you're running an assault, but why would you put a swarm launcher on an assault? I use a standard ADS...it is worth 2 proto scout ck.0 suits....a BASIC ADS!! advanced ADS costs from 320,000+ i haven't unlocked proto yet :P i need help on shooting with ADS, i can fly fine scout ck.0 here!
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:31:00 - [19] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Multiple reasons, mostly the risk/reward factor being off, also many pilots' defence of blatantly abused features over the length of three years or so. When you say risk/reward what do you mean? if it's risk of death then who gives a **** about KDR, my vehicle alt KDR is barely over 1 as i run starter fits in ambushes to fund my expensive ADS habit if you're talking ISK then risk/reward was balanced (i'm only hating on swarms)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5781	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:33:00 - [20] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Multiple reasons, mostly the risk/reward factor being off, also many pilots' defence of blatantly abused features over the length of three years or so. When you say risk/reward what do you mean? if it's risk of death then who gives a **** about KDR, my vehicle alt KDR is barely over 1 as i run starter fits in ambushes to fund my expensive ADS habit if you're talking ISK then risk/reward was balanced (i'm only hating on swarms) You'd be making more money if you made a decent fit at at least standard level. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1493	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:34:00 - [21] - Quote Sniper Flaylock combo.. used to be a favorite of mine.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:40:00 - [22] - Quote Amarr Frontline with added militia needle = $$$
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 84	Posted - 2014.11.04 04:29:00 - [23] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: They use to make Dropships move erratically if you shot one that got close. I think this ability should be re-enabled. Because it is annoying when Dropships are following you two meters above your head all the way around the map. Now there's something to fall back on. The reason why they follow you 2 feet above your head is to make sure that you are properly escorted across the street. Have you tried telling them Thank you? The Little Girl with the HMG
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 972	Posted - 2014.11.04 04:48:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: They use to make Dropships move erratically if you shot one that got close. I think this ability should be re-enabled. Because it is annoying when Dropships are following you two meters above your head all the way around the map. Now there's something to fall back on. Even when this blew up one of my 500k derpships, it made me cackle like a madman flaylock pistol best AA


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