DUST Search - The Incubus is Broken - Here's why (Video inside)

Lazer Fo Cused wrote:

Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:

Lazer Fo Cused wrote:

2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python

Why in the world would I want to do that? Yes I can put a missile launcher on an Incubus, but that defeats the purpose entirely. If the bonuses I receive from Incubus Operation benefit using Rails and Blasters, and if the purpose of a Rail Incubus is to destroy vehicles, why then should I equip a weapon that is designed first and foremost to deal with infantry, and receives no bonuses from my chosen platform?! That would be like eating soup with a fork.

Lazer Fo Cused wrote:

2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV

And that right there is the mentality that AVers have been fighting against since the dawn of time. The Incubus receives bonuses that make it effective in Anti Vehicle combat and therefore I should NOT have to rely on some other form of AV to do my job.

1. Are you sure you read the post?

2. The missile Incubus because the double nerf on the ROF of the railgun and Incubus means its worthless as an anti vehicle DS

3. The Incubus bonuses are useless, hence why you use a HAV or AV currently

4. Dont expect a buff for any of the ADS, if Rattati says the data is fine then all hope is lost

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Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 918	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:50:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: 3) Incubus is less efficient than the Python, in effective kills per spawn, or K/S. (i.e. Shield better than Armor) This is true. The Incubus is an Anti-Vehical vehicle, and therefore does not get as many kills as a Python. Incubus is also armor tanked, meaning it takes more damage from most AV weapons (swarms, forges, rails) These two traits combined put it in a different niche than the Python. It shouldn't be killing infantry! Or at least not to the extent the Python does. In PC, the highest level of competitive play, Incubus' rome the skies dealing with enemy vehicles while Pythons fly low and harass infantry. CCP Rattati wrote: 4) Yet, people complain that the Python is worse than the Incubus, even after the rail ROF nerf. These people are wrong. The Python is absolutely fine. Enough rate of fire to eliminate targets, but not so much that infantry have no chance. Enough tank to survive, but not so much as to make it indestructible. Balance. The problem is with the Incubus. The Incubus takes more damage from AV weapons. This is as it should be. An Incubus fulfilling it's roles is seeking out enemy vehicles, not engaging hostile infantry. The issue comes when the Incubus is doing its job as a vehicle hunter. The ROF nerf on top of the unchanged heat buildup mechanic results in the Incubus not being able to fire enough rounds to do it's job. Video: The Incubus is Broken Not only are Incubus pilots hard pressed to do their job, they are also punished for investing skill points into their chosen playstyle. We hear a lot of talk about how vehicles should be manned by multiple players to be effective. I agree with this, but why then are our gunners punished for investing the millions of skill points required to be good at their job? The solutions are many: Change the ROF, Change the overheat mechanic, Change the skill bonus. Change something! Delta did some great things for vehicle balance, but nothing always turns out perfectly. Before moving on to the next fire, let's fix this one first. The Incubus is Broken
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 166	Posted - 2014.10.20 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote I agree fully with the fact that the incubus is unable to effectively tackle vehicles in its current state. However the Python isn't as much "better" as the average paper warrior considers. The Python does not regenerate its shields while being shot, furthermore the maximum shield on a python is 3300, the maximum armour on an incubus with a decent rep rate is 4200... This disparity makes up for any shortcomings in armour.... Swarms are too effective against pythons and rail tanks can 2 shot a python.... It would help if you kept your post to constructive feedback rather than slating the other role ads. The incubus does need a buff, but with ads vs ads balance kept in mind, because incubus vs Python was never balanced. However not being able to kill madrugars and lavs in an av incubus is just ridiculous NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 920	Posted - 2014.10.20 00:07:00 - [3] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: I agree fully with the fact that the incubus is unable to effectively tackle vehicles in its current state. However the Python isn't as much "better" as the average paper warrior considers. The Python does not regenerate its shields while being shot, furthermore the maximum shield on a python is 3300, the maximum armour on an incubus with a decent rep rate is 4200... This disparity makes up for any shortcomings in armour.... Swarms are too effective against pythons and rail tanks can 2 shot a python.... It would help if you kept your post to constructive feedback rather than slating the other role ads. The incubus does need a buff, but with ads vs ads balance kept in mind, because incubus vs Python was never balanced. However not being able to kill madrugars and lavs in an av incubus is just ridiculous My intention was not to say that the Python is under or overpowered. Rather that the very mechanics behind how the Incubus operates are flawed. I was a Python pilot long before I was an Incubus pilot, and I only skilled into Gallente ships after getting tired of being railroaded by rail Incubuses. I know both sides of the coin. Thanks for your feedback. The Incubus is Broken
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 166	Posted - 2014.10.20 00:08:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry if I came across as offensive or defensive... Ik a lot of pilots who are too used to incubus owning Python lol NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 920	Posted - 2014.10.20 00:18:00 - [5] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Sorry if I came across as offensive or defensive... Ik a lot of pilots who are too used to incubus owning Python lol Not at all. You made good points. You are also right about Incubuses being easy mode against Pythons pre Hotfix Delta. I think the field was balanced quite a bit when rails had their damage profile changed to do more damage to armor, less to shields. As I said in the video, I don't want the Incubus to go back to the ROF that it used to have. I simply want it to fire more shots than it does currently, speed be dammed. The Incubus is Broken
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 971	Posted - 2014.10.20 16:34:00 - [6] - Quote Was in a PC last night that had 6 dropships battling it out in the sky. Three Pythons on their side, two Pythons and an Incubus on our side. I was the Incubus. You would think that this would be the perfect setup. The two Pythons buzzing around helping our ground forces while I flew high to drive away the enemy vehicles. The reality however was sobering. I as the level 5 Incubus, could not do enough damage to destroy any one of my targets, let alone all three of them. The only time I was of any use was when I had AV assisting in damaging the enemy Dropships, and even then, my contributions were negligible. So the result was 5 dropships hovering over the city, firing at infantry, while I danced dumbly attempting to have any noticeable impact. Their side eventually won the air war because they had more ground AV to drive our pilots away. Swarms are more effective at dealing with vehicles than an Incubus is, both in competitive play and casual. This is not how it should be. The Incubus is Broken. The Incubus is Broken
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:06:00 - [7] - Quote 1. I find the Incubus far stronger than the Python 1a. Incubus can passive rep better than the Python 1b. Incubus can have a better tank without having to sacrifce anything for the AB 1c. Incubus can land without losing all of its tank 1d. Incubus can ram other dropships and survive, ram a shield based DS and you win, even a tap works but sometimes you may lose yours 1e. The Python ROF skill isnt missed if you put missiles on the Incubus 1f. The Incubus i find doesnt rock around as much when being hit by AV, easier to steady since it has more weight 2. Incubus performs very badly at its anti vehicle role due to the double nerf of the small railgun and the ADS ROF skill 2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python 2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 972	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python Why in the world would I want to do that? Yes I can put a missile launcher on an Incubus, but that defeats the purpose entirely. If the bonuses I receive from Incubus Operation benefit using Rails and Blasters, and if the purpose of a Rail Incubus is to destroy vehicles, why then should I equip a weapon that is designed first and foremost to deal with infantry, and receives no bonuses from my chosen platform?! That would be like eating soup with a fork. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV And that right there is the mentality that AVers have been fighting against since the dawn of time. The Incubus receives bonuses that make it effective in Anti Vehicle combat and therefore I should NOT have to rely on some other form of AV to do my job. The Incubus is Broken
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:43:00 - [9] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python Why in the world would I want to do that? Yes I can put a missile launcher on an Incubus, but that defeats the purpose entirely. If the bonuses I receive from Incubus Operation benefit using Rails and Blasters, and if the purpose of a Rail Incubus is to destroy vehicles, why then should I equip a weapon that is designed first and foremost to deal with infantry, and receives no bonuses from my chosen platform?! That would be like eating soup with a fork. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV And that right there is the mentality that AVers have been fighting against since the dawn of time. The Incubus receives bonuses that make it effective in Anti Vehicle combat and therefore I should NOT have to rely on some other form of AV to do my job. 1. Are you sure you read the post? 2. The missile Incubus because the double nerf on the ROF of the railgun and Incubus means its worthless as an anti vehicle DS 3. The Incubus bonuses are useless, hence why you use a HAV or AV currently 4. Dont expect a buff for any of the ADS, if Rattati says the data is fine then all hope is lost
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2209	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python Why in the world would I want to do that? Yes I can put a missile launcher on an Incubus, but that defeats the purpose entirely. If the bonuses I receive from Incubus Operation benefit using Rails and Blasters, and if the purpose of a Rail Incubus is to destroy vehicles, why then should I equip a weapon that is designed first and foremost to deal with infantry, and receives no bonuses from my chosen platform?! That would be like eating soup with a fork. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV And that right there is the mentality that AVers have been fighting against since the dawn of time. The Incubus receives bonuses that make it effective in Anti Vehicle combat and therefore I should NOT have to rely on some other form of AV to do my job. The ADSs are broken because of infantry. Rattati admitted that all decisions regarding ADS nerfs were his and his alone. The Incubus used to be good at destroying vehicles. Now the Gallente ADS skill is counterproductive. The Python is only okay at killing infantry now, because of the rate of fire nerf. Now body shots with the missile are far more critical to killing infantry. And no, they can't really escape swarms. The only way an ADS can escape is if someone tells the pilot that swarms have already left the tube. And you put missile on the Incubus because it's the only viable small turret on a DS now. Plus the Incubus has better options for HP tank. Don't blame him for decisions he didn't even have a voice in. It's painfully clear that pilots aren't even an afterthought when it comes to vehicle nerfs. Because why should anything be buffed, or put back in for more options. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2209	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:48:00 - [11] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Was in a PC last night that had 6 dropships battling it out in the sky. Three Pythons on their side, two Pythons and an Incubus on our side. I was the Incubus. You would think that this would be the perfect setup. The two Pythons buzzing around helping our ground forces while I flew high to drive away the enemy vehicles. The reality however was sobering. I as the level 5 Incubus, could not do enough damage to destroy any one of my targets, let alone all three of them. The only time I was of any use was when I had AV assisting in damaging the enemy Dropships, and even then, my contributions were negligible. So the result was 5 dropships hovering over the city, firing at infantry, while I danced dumbly attempting to have any noticeable impact. Their side eventually won the air war because they had more ground AV to drive our pilots away. Swarms are more effective at dealing with vehicles than an Incubus is, both in competitive play and casual. This is not how it should be. The Incubus is Broken. Further proving that vehicles are useless. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 974	Posted - 2014.10.20 19:06:00 - [12] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2a. Put a small missile on the Incubus to make a stronger Python Why in the world would I want to do that? Yes I can put a missile launcher on an Incubus, but that defeats the purpose entirely. If the bonuses I receive from Incubus Operation benefit using Rails and Blasters, and if the purpose of a Rail Incubus is to destroy vehicles, why then should I equip a weapon that is designed first and foremost to deal with infantry, and receives no bonuses from my chosen platform?! That would be like eating soup with a fork. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2b. For anti vehicle duties use AV or a HAV And that right there is the mentality that AVers have been fighting against since the dawn of time. The Incubus receives bonuses that make it effective in Anti Vehicle combat and therefore I should NOT have to rely on some other form of AV to do my job. 1. Are you sure you read the post? 2. The missile Incubus because the double nerf on the ROF of the railgun and Incubus means its worthless as an anti vehicle DS 3. The Incubus bonuses are useless, hence why you use a HAV or AV currently 4. Dont expect a buff for any of the ADS, if Rattati says the data is fine then all hope is lost A buff is not what is necessary. The Incubus is not underpowered, it's broken. It seems you are agreeing with me on most of the issues, forgive me if I don't understand your bullet points. The Incubus is Broken
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 974	Posted - 2014.10.20 19:08:00 - [13] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: And you put missile on the Incubus because it's the only viable small turret on a DS now. Plus the Incubus has better options for HP tank. This is painfully true. The thing is that it shouldn't be that way. The Incubus is Broken


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