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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.19 13:59:00 -
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At least in the sense of obs then take those resources and put them towards making the game play smoother http://strawpoll.me/2816450
"War determines not who is right, but who is left."
Closed Beta Vet
Scout before it was cool
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Phuk Nugget Supreme
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:00:00 -
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Yes.
Alt of Pooky.
Thanks for getting me banned JohnShepardIII
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
140
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:05:00 -
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I think they have much more advanced ideas for dust than what we have and can't wait to see what they are able to achieve.
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:05:00 -
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Phuk Nugget Supreme wrote:Yes.
No They should improve it. They just need to make it more relevant for the mechanics in place in EVE Rather than just an added bonus here and there.
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
3880
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:07:00 -
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I mean the idea is great but should be saved for Legion
"War determines not who is right, but who is left."
Closed Beta Vet
Scout before it was cool
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
782
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:38:00 -
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So far I enjoy Dust 514 as an Eve online themed lobby-shooter. Right now the only effect the connection to TQ has on me is that I can't restock three different fittings without pausing for 30 seconds because TQ thinks I'm trying to DoS it .
I'm all for integrating Dust into Eve online, but right now it's not doing it right.
Maybe if we could make pub matches be contracted from Eve online. The average mu of the mercs you contract is determined by the money you offer them. Better performance equals better mu equals better pay. The capsuleer then gets to control planetary resources in return. NPC factions still provide the basic contracts for new players. There has to be something we can do with the TQ connection. |
commando biffle
Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn
70
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Posted - 2014.10.19 15:18:00 -
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their's a connection?
514MB!!! its a joke right?
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Kaughst
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
735
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Posted - 2014.10.19 15:48:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:Phuk Nugget Supreme wrote:Yes. No They should improve it. They just need to make it more relevant for the mechanics in place in EVE Rather than just an added bonus here and there.
Initiating a heavier involvement with Eve for Dust is counter intuitive. Legion is the real focus for cross game integration, especially when Legion represents for Eve a bigger effect on it's world. Dust will never be it combined with Eve economy/null sec ect.
"Why do we fight?"
"To win the war."
"Meh... Works for me."
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
143
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Posted - 2014.10.19 17:24:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:Lady MDK wrote:Phuk Nugget Supreme wrote:Yes. No They should improve it. They just need to make it more relevant for the mechanics in place in EVE Rather than just an added bonus here and there. Initiating a heavier involvement with Eve for Dust is counter intuitive. Legion is the real focus for cross game integration, especially when Legion represents for Eve a bigger effect on it's world. Dust will never be it combined with Eve economy/null sec ect.
Actually haven't they said quite the opposite - No integration. And since Legion is still not a game why do people keep talking about it like its round the corner.
Dust is integrated with Low Sec in one region - why not expand it to other regions? Why not improve the FW integration by making it easier to see where dust battles are happening. Why doesn't my dust Merc that Is in my use for FW able to see my factions Chat channel in the same way my eve character can? Why can eve players change who holds a system without dust mercs?
No one mentioned Nullsec or economy as that is extra on top of what we have... There are ways in which they can strengthen what currently exists though.
WHEN Legion is a game they can disconnect dust and plug in Legion, but currently Legion is a concept not a game. To make it effective and to make EVE players care about it - they will need to loose some ability to control the space themselves and rely on players of the other product whatever its name is. Otherwise no fuks will be given EVE side.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4184
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Posted - 2014.10.19 17:27:00 -
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We don't need another Destiny
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Kaughst
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
737
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:40:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:Kaughst wrote:Lady MDK wrote:Phuk Nugget Supreme wrote:Yes. No They should improve it. They just need to make it more relevant for the mechanics in place in EVE Rather than just an added bonus here and there. Initiating a heavier involvement with Eve for Dust is counter intuitive. Legion is the real focus for cross game integration, especially when Legion represents for Eve a bigger effect on it's world. Dust will never be it combined with Eve economy/null sec ect. Actually haven't they said quite the opposite - No integration. And since Legion is still not a game why do people keep bringing it up? It will still need a test bed and thats DUST. If the connection of this type was meaningless in Dust the same link will fail in Legion. Dust is integrated with Low Sec in one region - why not expand it to other regions? Why not improve the FW integration by making it easier to see where dust battles are happening. Why doesn't my dust Merc that Is in my FW corp able to see my factions Chat channel in the same way my eve character can? Why can eve players change who holds a system without dust mercs? Battles spawning randomly in FW doesn't make sence! It failed previously due to eve players not having to use dust to flip systems so no/few contracts were made. No one mentioned Nullsec or economy as that is extra on top of what we have... There are ways in which they can strengthen what currently exists though. WHEN Legion is a game they can disconnect dust and plug in Legion, but currently Legion is a concept not a game. To make it effective and to make EVE players care about it - they will need to loose some ability to control the space themselves and rely on players of the other product whatever its name is. Otherwise no fuks will be given EVE side.
No, that is incorrecthttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-04-its-bye-bye-dust-514-and-hello-project-legion Legion will have integration, they even mentioned concepts on how they would revise PC into non timer related engagements during Fanfest.
Lady MDK wrote:Dust is integrated with Low Sec in one region - why not expand it to other regions? Why not improve the FW integration by making it easier to see where dust battles are happening. Why doesn't my dust Merc that Is in my FW corp able to see my factions Chat channel in the same way my eve character can? Why can eve players change who holds a system without dust mercs? Battles spawning randomly in FW doesn't make sence! It failed previously due to eve players not having to use dust to flip systems so no/few contracts were made.
Because Dust is severally limited by the Ps3 technical limitations affecting it's design goals. Why expanded out to numerous planets in low sec when you can do little to what is trying to be achieved in Legion. Legion is the 'true mercenary experience' according to the Devs, you need to realize that actual development of concepts that have been proposed are a stepping stone to the larger concepts of Eve integration and planetside interaction.
What I am trying to say is...any attempt to shoehorn cooperation between Eve-Dust players is incredibly contrived. The idea of taking away aspects of control for Eve players or adding incentives is worthless it can only be justified if the content of the game interacting with it is capable enough to fit in large design goals that Dust will not have ever met.
"Why do we fight?"
"To win the war."
"Meh... Works for me."
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
255
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:44:00 -
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Hell no, i want more connection to EvE
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:01:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:Kaughst wrote:Lady MDK wrote:Phuk Nugget Supreme wrote:Yes. No They should improve it. They just need to make it more relevant for the mechanics in place in EVE Rather than just an added bonus here and there. Initiating a heavier involvement with Eve for Dust is counter intuitive. Legion is the real focus for cross game integration, especially when Legion represents for Eve a bigger effect on it's world. Dust will never be it combined with Eve economy/null sec ect. Actually haven't they said quite the opposite - No integration. And since Legion is still not a game why do people keep bringing it up? It will still need a test bed and thats DUST. If the connection of this type was meaningless in Dust the same link will fail in Legion. Dust is integrated with Low Sec in one region - why not expand it to other regions? Why not improve the FW integration by making it easier to see where dust battles are happening. Why doesn't my dust Merc that Is in my FW corp able to see my factions Chat channel in the same way my eve character can? Why can eve players change who holds a system without dust mercs? Battles spawning randomly in FW doesn't make sence! It failed previously due to eve players not having to use dust to flip systems so no/few contracts were made. No one mentioned Nullsec or economy as that is extra on top of what we have... There are ways in which they can strengthen what currently exists though. WHEN Legion is a game they can disconnect dust and plug in Legion, but currently Legion is a concept not a game. To make it effective and to make EVE players care about it - they will need to loose some ability to control the space themselves and rely on players of the other product whatever its name is. Otherwise no fuks will be given EVE side.
The reason for the 'whys' is because CCP never send enough resources on the connection and they expressed no concern in increasing the connection anytime soon or at all. They probably can , but they hadn't . Right now resources have been spent on Legion and Dust so it is less likely then it was months ago. Additionally , it's a two way street-meaning that the Iceland office would have to put resources to do it to and far as I am concerned they hadn't even mentioned a further eve/dust integration like at all ; so for the foreseeable future it most likely not something they are going to work on. Lastly, I'm sure they said something like Legion won't be connected at the start so Legion would have to stand on it's two feet; it's from an article during fanfest.
To answer the OP, it probably doesn't matter at this point since I doubt a lot of Eve players even care that much about it anymore besides a minority of them which probably isn't enough to justify keeping it on. Although it doesn't hurt keeping it on. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:10:00 -
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the eve connection was just a marketing ploy from 2010 to give meandering speeches and interviews about/taking FPS to the next level, made the 10 year road map sound feasible.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2291
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:29:00 -
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No, but they really shouldn't be integrated a whole lot.
PC and FW orbitals with PI / PoS and FW payout bonuses in return (respectively) and perhaps some exploration PvE feature (explorer takes "biomass" container/ CRU-type thing to a special site, hacks the site, infantry board and fight off "defense systems;" rewards are special salvage for infantry and capsuleer separately.)
But things like market/industry integration, sov impact, boarding /taking over ships/PoSes/stations shouldn't be the main focus. Maybe later, but let's be more conservative for now.
Dust was real! I was there!
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2014.10.19 20:51:00 -
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When i say strengthen, let me elaborate a bit as I may have been a little Vague and ranty with previous posts :)
Initiating from the EVE side.
In EVE the systems for taking over a system should in my opinion only give space superiority. As soon as this starts to tip in any system (FW for example) an option becomes available to the pilots with specific roles in a corp to issue contracts on planets or individual districts within the system. These contracts are then the battles that DUST assigns players to rather than randomly spawning them.
Once planetary ownership starts to increase the percentage of system ownership would increase unless the enemy mount a successfull counter. This would need to be both in space and on the ground.
e.g. without dust the eve players can only get space supremacy. This will still give out the bonuses for running the sites etc but you will not take a system for your faction like this.
Breakdown - The DUST gameplay does not need to change. Just EVE side features to make pilots NEED mercs more for their ends. The majority of this is in fact EVE side changes so potentially little need to modify DUST - note that i'm a coder but i see most of the systems in place already. DUST mercs fighting for a faction or in a corp engaged in Factional warefare or added to comms channels for that faction while engaged.
Initiating from DUST
A merc corp decides to drive into enemy territory. You can invade every system neighbouring a system already owned by your faction. The normal DUST starmap is used to choose a district to invade and you can invite your teammates to a team deployment or issue a contract for people fighting for your faction to join.
On the EVE side a notification goes out (using the new notification system) to all pilots of that faction to invade said system and gain superiority in the air.. Any Pilot selecting this message would get invited to the comms channel for that group.
This would need some modification to both clients.
I realize i will never see EVE ship swooping through the atmosphere type of integration lol unless CCP decide to join Legion to EVE and use the Walking in stations Engine (conspiracy theory).
I don't see how any of this is shoehorned in my eyes this is just creating a symbiosis between the games that is currently restricted to saving pos fuel or getting an extra percentage bonus.
This also wouldnt need to much modification to work in nullsec.... Flaming commence.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Kaughst
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
740
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Posted - 2014.10.19 22:03:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:When i say strengthen, let me elaborate a bit as I may have been a little Vague and ranty with previous posts :)
Initiating from the EVE side.
In EVE the systems for taking over a system should in my opinion only give space superiority. As soon as this starts to tip in any system (FW for example) an option becomes available to the pilots with specific roles in a corp to issue contracts on planets or individual districts within the system. These contracts are then the battles that DUST assigns players to rather than randomly spawning them.
Once planetary ownership starts to increase the percentage of system ownership would increase unless the enemy mount a successfull counter. This would need to be both in space and on the ground.
e.g. without dust the eve players can only get space supremacy. This will still give out the bonuses for running the sites etc but you will not take a system for your faction like this.
Breakdown - The DUST gameplay does not need to change. Just EVE side features to make pilots NEED mercs more for their ends. The majority of this is in fact EVE side changes so potentially little need to modify DUST - note that i'm a coder but i see most of the systems in place already. DUST mercs fighting for a faction or in a corp engaged in Factional warefare or added to comms channels for that faction while engaged.
Initiating from DUST
A merc corp decides to drive into enemy territory. You can invade every system neighbouring a system already owned by your faction. The normal DUST starmap is used to choose a district to invade and you can invite your teammates to a team deployment or issue a contract for people fighting for your faction to join.
On the EVE side a notification goes out (using the new notification system) to all pilots of that faction to invade said system and gain superiority in the air.. Any Pilot selecting this message would get invited to the comms channel for that group.
This would need some modification to both clients.
I realize i will never see EVE ship swooping through the atmosphere type of integration lol unless CCP decide to join Legion to EVE and use the Walking in stations Engine (conspiracy theory).
I don't see how any of this is shoehorned in my eyes this is just creating a symbiosis between the games that is currently restricted to saving pos fuel or getting an extra percentage bonus.
This also wouldnt need to much modification to work in nullsec.... Flaming commence.
I will be straight forward...the interest to develop more integration for eve/Dust from Dev team is not there, because of Legion...the interest for the Eve players to be swayed/nudged into more cooperation with Dust players is not there. Why use that time developing a bigger relatonship to Eve players when the development will never get off the ground into bigger concepts.
Dust 514 is irrelevant to the Eve universe. End of story.
"Why do we fight?"
"To win the war."
"Meh... Works for me."
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
794
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Posted - 2014.10.19 22:22:00 -
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There is no "connection" with the EVE Universe, besides being able to call in Orbitals in PC and FW. Heck, there isn't any story or lore in DUST 514. Save the attempt to connect with EVE for another game, like Legion if that is still a thing.
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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