Great stuff although I posted another possible fix on "how to make scouts be scouts", penalize them for health stacking by having extenders and plates increase profile

that works to a point. you will hurt the others dropsuits & minnie scout who 99% of the time have shield but 250-350 at max. plus there is ferro plates that give limited armor for no speed penalty. the gall scout would just use them since they have a natural regen. besides lol 2 complex dampners 2 complex precision and it is full ewar with a proto cloak. so 2 ferro plates would keep the profile lower for slight less armor but no speed penalty. that why we came up with the bonuses to modules.

still waiting CCP on your thoughts.

343 is the most we can fit with max skills, and it eats up half our PG anyways... (33/81 (81 being the max with core skills all at 5)

Add 14 Pg from that Kincat in your low that you need to run away and you're at 48 PG now. Add a proto cloak (which you need to dodge scans unless you fit 3x damps), and you're at 66 PG. 15 PG for 1 LW, 1 SA, 1 grenade, and 1 EQ slot. Your sidearm is most likely going to be IshNoks which take away another 7 PG iirc so now you're at 73 for grenade EQ and LW. For the Nade you're gonna want a flux for a scouts most important job--clearing links. 75 Pg. 6 to go for one EQ and 1 LW. Damn. Looks like you're going to either have to use a PLC, or no EQ. But wait! You need something to repair your armor! What about a compact nano hive? Thats the cheapest thing you can get PG wise to rep you. 77 PG. 4 to go for your LW. You can fit a basic combat rifle....yay....

Now add 11 PG to 80 and thats how much it'll take to use both bonuses (kin cat is necessary for knifing, codebreaker is necessary for hacking). But wait! thats 10 PG over, and Im getting scanned by every HMG heavy who has a scout or Gal Logi in their squad!

Welcome to the life of the Minmitar scout.

Obviously, you need to downgrade your shields. Most of my fits are 180-308 shields with 87 armor (no reps). This is balance (though the cloak having equal dampening at all tiers would help so much with the min scout dilemma)

If you made HP mods increase profile, all scouts would simply never be viable again, unless they got a 5% dampening back as their role bonus.

Also, Caldari scout is not very good.

Two low slots absolutely limits it.

It has amazing base stats, and amazing bonuses, but having only two lows can ruin any suit (see: Pre Charlie Minmitar assault)

The only reason it was good before was because of LOL-OP precision perma scan everything all the time. Now, it has the same problem as the min scout. It can either be viable (two damps), or it can use its racial bonus (range). Your choice.

Amarr scout is much better as it detects everything everywhere.

ok ccp still no answer and you say we read the forums. lol this is why a lot of people think the forums are a JOKE.

It's the weekend also read =/= respond to every post and I kind of think they have patch related work on their minds at this moment (which with 1.9 doing the whole QA thing cannot include adding new items to it at this stage).
If I were in your situation I wouldn't hold my breath for a reply at least until after 1.9 drops.

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This is correct. It is also true that CCP will not read every post.

Every single thread involving EWAR has turned into a complete sh**show of anecdotal, pointless bickering because of idiots fighting for permascan/permaevasion on both sides won't shut the hell up long enough for anyone to figure out a viable solution that is balanced, valuable to all classes and adds to the game.

It's bluntly like 90%of AV/V threads because on the vehicle side you have:

"Well I pay an arm and a leg. Balance means I tear you apart with impunity."

On the other,equally stupid side from AV gunners you get:

"I have an antivehicle weapon. This means you're automatically my *****."

No one wants to meet in the middle and people who want both sides to be viable, challenging and rewarding get drowned in stupid.

This situation matches all of the ewar threads because everyone refuses to acknowledge that a binary system cannot be balanced.

We shouldn't be cooking up suggestions to balance the current system. All that does is make the status quo into a coinflip. "Who gets to always win this patch cycle?"

You are asking the wrong question.

The correct question we should all be asking CCP is "would you please overhaul the EWAR mechanics so that there is potential value to all ewar skills and modules to every class role?"

That can be balanced. What we have now cannot.

I think you need to work on editing.

You are correct in that ewar efficacy and raw ehp is broken.

But at the rotting core is binary detection/dampening.

If this doesn't get fixed then we put up with nonstop shotgun in ear or we deal wiyh scouts never escaping detection and at that point why bother?

No amount of rebalance will fix scouts until two things happen.

1: ewar is fixed to be something dynamic.
2: dropsuit inertia.

Without these two things you cannot balance scouts to be anything but broken. Whether too effective or impotent doesn't matter. Broken is broken.

still waiting

If your post isn't addressed by a Dev it's 99% likely they won't address itunless it's banged over their heads as something critical or someone with access says "you need to see this."

And bumping by saying you're waiting for a response doesn't actually help your cause.

Your wrong Cal scout is the best. Broken hitbox + tank + small hitbox = win

if they fix the hit box? besides caldari can hide but not see as well as the gall or amarr. gall scouts can full ewar and tank armor of 460 and small hitbox.

I will be happy if they fix the hitbox ^^