so we have gall and minmatar which seem fair and decent with 3/3/4 equipslots and no sidearms

then we come to Amarr logi with 2/3/3 AND a sidearm...

then caldari logi 2/3/3 but NO sidearm.. dosnt seem fair/balanced..

GIVE CAL LOGI A SIDEARM.. and adjust cpu/pg accordingly!

cal logi has nine module slots at proto. Thats the most of any suit in the game.

dude talk about proto suits because thats what most of us use/have

Minmitar has 4 low slots, 4 high slots and 4 equipment slots...1 weapon
Gallante has 5 high and 4 low
i dont know about ammar of caldari

i only use the mk.0 logistics
and rarely ever

GALLENTE has 5 Lows and 3 Highs at Proto. 4 equipments.

so we have gall and minmatar which seem fair and decent with 3/3/4 equipslots and no sidearms

then we come to Amarr logi with 2/3/3 AND a sidearm...

then caldari logi 2/3/3 but NO sidearm.. dosnt seem fair/balanced..

GIVE CAL LOGI A SIDEARM.. and adjust cpu/pg accordingly!

Not sure if this has been said yet, but the amarr logi has 2/2/2 at standard level.
Oh and 3/3/3 at adv and 3/4/3 at proto.

Not sure where you got the 2/3/3

EDIT: jesus logi slot progression is messed up.

As someone who has used the AmLogi quite a bit, and who has some opinions and ideas on fixing logis, this is my take:

I'm moderately okay with making the CalLogi the shield equivalent of the Amarr. However, I do think it would be better to simply give the CalLogi 3/3/4 equipment slots for STD/ADV/PRO, and then equalize the slots with the CalSalt.



I only quote this because I actually didn't know this for one, and because it- and the MinLogi layout of 4/4/4 at proto, very strongly indicate something that is VERY interesting:

Losing a sidearm is worth a whopping three (3!) equipment slots. Not two, but three. That's interesting, don't you think? /tinfoil hat

You see, compared to the Assaults (especially post Hotfix Charlie), (most) Logis sacrifice three things:

1. Base health
2. Base speed&stamina
3. A sidearm

And then you get in return:

1. 2-3 equipment slots
2. slightly better scan precision

Seems a tad biased against the logi, doesn't it? Now, let me be clear; in no way do I think the Assaults should be nerfed- the Hotfix Charlie buff that assault suits received was sorely needed, but it's also no excuse to leave logis in their current plight.

So, what should a player see when looking at the pros/cons between assaults and logis? Well, IMO, it should be thusly:

Assaults should have:
1. more health
2. more stamina
3. a sidearm*
4. bonuses that reduce weapon fitting requirements and improve certain weapons

Logis should have:
1. more equipment (obviously)
2. bonuses that reduce equipment fitting requirements and improve most equipments (ref. Cross Atu' Logi thread)
3. better scan range
4. less stamina

And both have:
1. the same speed
2. the same scan profile
3. a light weapon slot**
4. the same slot count & similar fitting reserves

So, what does this do? Well, it's quite simple really: generally speaking, logis have slightly better EWAR (due to scan range advantages) and more equipment- but assaults can run for longer, have superior weapons and have superior tank.

If you're wondering why assaults and logis should have the same movement speed- but logis should have less stamina- it's for two reasons:

1. An Amarr Scout user will tell you that all the stamina in the world isn't very useful- you might get their without having to wait for stamina to regen, but EVERY. OTHER. PERSON. will get their first. I'd rather have more speed and less stamina than a buttload of stamina and the worst speed.

2. Building off of #1, most logis seem to prefer movement speed to stamina; the reason being that assaults complain that logis can't support them... but they don't realize that the reason a logi can't support a group of assaults is because the logi is actually incapable of keeping up with their speed.

*IMO, the AmLogi should keep its sidearm, and simply trading an equipment slot compared to other Logis- it's still sacrificing a ton of base HP, after all, when compared to its AmSalt brother.

**I'm not including the grenade slot here because I think the non-Amarr Logis (since AmLogi keeps the sidearm) should have two grenade slots; however, this requires the addition of more utility grenades, and it would be a requirement for each grenade slot to be filled with a different type of grenade, to prevent Logis from carrying 4 Core Locus.

As someone who has used the AmLogi quite a bit, and who has some opinions and ideas on fixing logis, this is my take:

I'm moderately okay with making the CalLogi the shield equivalent of the Amarr. However, I do think it would be better to simply give the CalLogi 3/3/4 equipment slots for STD/ADV/PRO, and then equalize the slots with the CalSalt.



I only quote this because I actually didn't know this for one, and because it- and the MinLogi layout of 4/4/4 at proto, very strongly indicate something that is VERY interesting:

Losing a sidearm is worth a whopping three (3!) equipment slots. Not two, but three. That's interesting, don't you think? /tinfoil hat

You see, compared to the Assaults (especially post Hotfix Charlie), (most) Logis sacrifice three things:

1. Base health
2. Base speed&stamina
3. A sidearm

And then you get in return:

1. 2-3 equipment slots
2. slightly better scan precision

Seems a tad biased against the logi, doesn't it? Now, let me be clear; in no way do I think the Assaults should be nerfed- the Hotfix Charlie buff that assault suits received was sorely needed, but it's also no excuse to leave logis in their current plight.

So, what should a player see when looking at the pros/cons between assaults and logis? Well, IMO, it should be thusly:

Assaults should have:
1. more health
2. more stamina
3. a sidearm*
4. bonuses that reduce weapon fitting requirements and improve certain weapons

Logis should have:
1. more equipment (obviously)
2. bonuses that reduce equipment fitting requirements and improve most equipments (ref. Cross Atu' Logi thread)
3. better scan range
4. less stamina

And both have:
1. the same speed
2. the same scan profile
3. a light weapon slot**
4. the same slot count & similar fitting reserves

So, what does this do? Well, it's quite simple really: generally speaking, logis have slightly better EWAR (due to scan range advantages) and more equipment- but assaults can run for longer, have superior weapons and have superior tank.

If you're wondering why assaults and logis should have the same movement speed- but logis should have less stamina- it's for two reasons:

1. An Amarr Scout user will tell you that all the stamina in the world isn't very useful- you might get their without having to wait for stamina to regen, but EVERY. OTHER. PERSON. will get their first. I'd rather have more speed and less stamina than a buttload of stamina and the worst speed.

2. Building off of #1, most logis seem to prefer movement speed to stamina; the reason being that assaults complain that logis can't support them... but they don't realize that the reason a logi can't support a group of assaults is because the logi is actually incapable of keeping up with their speed.

*IMO, the AmLogi should keep its sidearm, and simply trading an equipment slot compared to other Logis- it's still sacrificing a ton of base HP, after all, when compared to its AmSalt brother.

**I'm not including the grenade slot here because I think the non-Amarr Logis (since AmLogi keeps the sidearm) should have two grenade slots; however, this requires the addition of more utility grenades, and it would be a requirement for each grenade slot to be filled with a different type of grenade, to prevent Logis from carrying 4 Core Locus.

well i get what your tryign to say but the cal logi is the skirmish version of the amarr logi so why shouldnt it have a sidearm? as for amarr logi suits i got an amarr logi alt at like 6mill sp.. but tbh if caldari cannot get a sidearm i would propose removing sidearm from amarr logi and just giving cal/amarr 3 equip at standard 3 at advanced and 4 at pro cause why should they take an equipment slot nerf just for a sidearm? or in caldari case.. they get F'd in the A twice cause equip slot nerf and no sidearm at std level scout is better then std logi

and logi need more ehp.. so we can sacrifice slots for some ewar or kinkats or even stam/regen mods which we need.

I'm moderately okay with making the CalLogi the shield equivalent of the Amarr. However, I do think it would be better to simply give the CalLogi 3/3/4 equipment slots for STD/ADV/PRO, and then equalize the slots with the CalSalt.

but tbh if caldari cannot get a sidearm i would propose removing sidearm from amarr logi and just giving cal/amarr 3 equip at standard 3 at advanced and 4 at pro cause why should they take an equipment slot nerf just for a sidearm?

and logi need more ehp.. so we can sacrifice slots for some ewar or kinkats or even stam/regen mods which we need.

ok then.. so even tho caldari logi has no sidearm it only gets 2 equip at standard.. hell even scout does it better at that equipment level.. and amarr gets a sidearm and 2 slots.. so why dont re remove sidearm from amarr and give cal and amarr more equip slots to mirror gal and minmatar?