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Horse Schitt
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:37:00 -
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Don't have a PC for the next CCP game? I found a list of cheap but powerful PC builds in case you didn't already have one! https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds
With this, you'll play any game, not just Legion! |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4130
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:49:00 -
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My personal advice on PCs:
* Your processor should always be an Intel Core. i5 for gamers, i7 for high-performance applications and gamers who have money.
* Your graphics card should always be an NVIDIA card. CCP games tend to run better on them, in addition to the subjective view that AMD graphics suck.
* Don't go cheap on the power supply. The dumbest part of your computer is also the most important.
* Do not fret over PC brands if you are not building the machine yourself: The internal parts are all the same no matter who you buy from.**
* There is no such thing as a gaming laptop. It's an oxymoron. Just don't.
** Except HP. Never buy HP. Ever.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Hawk-eye Occultus
ARKOMBlNE
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:36:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:My personal advice on PCs:
* Your processor should always be an Intel Core. i5 for gamers, i7 for high-performance applications and gamers who have money.
* Your graphics card should always be an NVIDIA card. CCP games tend to run better on them, in addition to the subjective view that AMD graphics suck.
* Don't go cheap on the power supply. The dumbest part of your computer is also the most important.
* Do not fret over PC brands if you are not building the machine yourself: The internal parts are all the same no matter who you buy from.**
* There is no such thing as a gaming laptop. It's an oxymoron. Just don't.
** Except HP. Never buy HP. Ever.
Wait... So my 8 core AMD CPU is not good enough? It HAS to be Intel!?
In the beginning...
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:11:00 -
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As someone who has (almost*) always gamed on AMD hardware, I can say that it's incredibly good stuff. Further, AMD parts- at least AFAIK- tend to offer very comparable performance to Intel, while also generally being more wallet-friendly.
*The one time I used something not AMD was an NVIDIA-fueled HP laptop. But that might just be an HP thing /shrugs.
Hawk-eye Occultus wrote:Wait... So my 8 core AMD CPU is not good enough? It HAS to be Intel!?
As someone who not only keeps up on this as a gamer looking for performance, but also as someone who is educated in the field, I can say that an 8-core AMD CPU is a fantastic piece of hardware- and not just because I have one in my current system.
As I mentioned above, AMD hardware tends to offer very comparable performance at a lower pricepoint. However, Intel generally has a more efficient CPU architecture, meaning it can process more data (IE, do more stuff) within a given timeframe compared to an AMD chip. To catch up, AMD generally stuffs more actual processor cores onto the chip. A side effect of these differences is that Intel's architecture causes a slight price hike, while AMD's "CORES FOR THE CORE THRONE" approach will usually give you a more power-hungry CPU.
Of course, the main performance bottleneck you'll likely run into as far as CPUs brands is that even though AMD stuffs more cores onto the chip, there's just not a lot of software- like games- that can actually take advantage of all those cores simultaneously, which is why Intel is usually benchmarked at higher performance than AMD for equal GHz.
Furthermore, most games don't actually care much about raw CPU performance. When it comes down to it, graphics tends to be the bigger bottleneck- as long as your CPU isn't so piddly as to slow down the video card, you'll be fine. As an example, Crysis 2 running on an Intel Core i5-2500k saw, at best, a 1-2 frames/second improvement between that CPU's stock speed and overlocking it to 4.8 GHz. Obviously the CPU is not the bottleneck there!
Like many things (especially in DUST!), it's a tradeoff. Do you want power conservation and efficiency, or a more budget-friendly component? If the first, the Intel is the better choice, while for the second, AMD will be preferred.
The other side is whether or not you use a multi-video card configuration, as AMD's CrossFire I'd assume to be much more friendly with AMD CPUs; the funny thing is that NVIDIA video cards using SLI (which is NVIDIA's multi-card architecture) probably works with both AMD and Intel CPUs.
For a more thorough explanation of Intel vs AMD CPUs, refer to this link: Intel vs AMD CPUs. And yes, most of what I said is just ripped from the link. Part of being smart is knowing when to quote someone else, after all.
QUICK EDIT: I recommend reading thing link anyway if you want to go pure AMD, there's a bit of good advice at the end of it. |
God Hates Lags
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:25:00 -
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Best advice I can give to anyone considering buying a PC for Legion is wait. In the two years it will take them to develop the game most Video Cards will drop about $200 in price and SSD is set to drop even more. CPU will also probably drop a little less significantly.
"Look what I destroyed in two days"
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4147
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Posted - 2014.10.13 02:01:00 -
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Victor Moody Stahl wrote:As someone who has (almost*) always gamed on AMD hardware, I can say that it's incredibly good stuff. Further, AMD parts- at least AFAIK- tend to offer very comparable performance to Intel, while also generally being more wallet-friendly.
AMDs offer extremely high capability to self-combust, and that's about it. #IntelMasterRace
God Hates Lags wrote:Best advice I can give to anyone considering buying a PC for Legion is wait. In the two years it will take them to develop the game most Video Cards will drop about $200 in price and SSD is set to drop even more. CPU will also probably drop a little less significantly.
This is good advice. Buy when the game's specs are actually out. Though none of this stuff ever really goes down in price, so much as they start selling better stuff at the same price. ;)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.10.13 03:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Victor Moody Stahl wrote:As someone who has (almost*) always gamed on AMD hardware, I can say that it's incredibly good stuff. Further, AMD parts- at least AFAIK- tend to offer very comparable performance to Intel, while also generally being more wallet-friendly. AMDs offer extremely high capability to self-combust, and that's about it. #IntelMasterRace
Not trying to be antagonistic, but did you just have really bad experiences with AMD hardware? I am genuinely curious, since my experience has actually been pretty much the opposite as far as AMD CPUs/graphics cards.
For myself, the one (and at present, only) computer I ever owned that didn't used AMD was an HP laptop that fried itself. OTOH, that could just be because *HP*, so who knows. |
Horse Schitt
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 04:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Victor Moody Stahl wrote:As someone who has (almost*) always gamed on AMD hardware, I can say that it's incredibly good stuff. Further, AMD parts- at least AFAIK- tend to offer very comparable performance to Intel, while also generally being more wallet-friendly. AMDs offer extremely high capability to self-combust, and that's about it. #IntelMasterRace
212 Evo Plus, checkmate.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
2907
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Posted - 2014.10.13 07:19:00 -
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Don't over-dimension your power supplies, since they are a big source of heat in your PC.
Instead, buy a high quality efficient power supply, 80Plus certified for example.
"The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4151
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:12:00 -
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Victor Moody Stahl wrote:Not trying to be antagonistic, but did you just have really bad experiences with AMD hardware? I am genuinely curious, since my experience has actually been pretty much the opposite as far as AMD CPUs/graphics cards.
For myself, the one (and at present, only) computer I ever owned that didn't used AMD was an HP laptop that fried itself. OTOH, that could just be because *HP*, so who knows.
I've never had an AMD that ran well. And they seem to run a lot hotter than similar Intels. Most machines I've had problems with used AMD processors. I fix computers for a living, so I see a lot of them.
HP cannot make laptops that don't fail. I have a pile of dead HP laptops, most of them with failed motherboards in less than 18 months after purchase.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.10.13 22:50:00 -
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I'll admit that I've never actually used much in the way of Intel, but every AMD system I've ever used ran beautifully. As far as heat load of AMD vs Intel, it makes sense it would run slightly hotter (though I'm not sure about a lot hotter) since AMD usually packs more physical cores in than Intel does.
I do wonder what could be causing an AMD rig to run at significantly higher temperature than an Intel rig. Seems very strange to me- like I mentioned, AMD tends to suck more power due to using more physical cores, which would lead to a higher heat load. But the million-ISK question would be, "how much hotter?".
On HP and laptops, it's kind of nice to know that it was just HP being bad at laptops. Out of curiosity, since this was my experience, how many died of overheated internals- particularly video-related overheating?
Also, cool to meet a fellow tech here on the DUST/Legion forums; I just recently got my A+ cert. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 06:28:00 -
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Victor, a lot of HP dv-series laptops have faulty graphics configurations, and it's non-replaceable. Seems to be the most common one. I can replace anything on a laptop that's not soldered to the motherboard, and there's were not repairable. No idea if it was temperature that killed them. They do tend to be AMD processors though.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:12:00 -
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Oh, I'm well aware of the non-replaceable graphics devices of most laptops. I was just curious about your experience with HP laptop failures.
That said, I find it somewhat interesting that the tendency seems more likely (at least IMO), to be the case that HP is just bad at laptops, and AMD happens to be the processor of choice for HP as a company. |
Jammeh McJam
New Age Empire.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:21:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Victor Moody Stahl wrote:As someone who has (almost*) always gamed on AMD hardware, I can say that it's incredibly good stuff. Further, AMD parts- at least AFAIK- tend to offer very comparable performance to Intel, while also generally being more wallet-friendly. AMDs offer extremely high capability to self-combust, and that's about it. #IntelMasterRace God Hates Lags wrote:Best advice I can give to anyone considering buying a PC for Legion is wait. In the two years it will take them to develop the game most Video Cards will drop about $200 in price and SSD is set to drop even more. CPU will also probably drop a little less significantly. This is good advice. Buy when the game's specs are actually out. Though none of this stuff ever really goes down in price, so much as they start selling better stuff at the same price. ;)
I'm confused about how you got onto the CPM...
All I ever see from you is nonsense and/or extremely biased
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4295
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Posted - 2014.10.20 18:39:00 -
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Jammeh McJam wrote:I'm confused about how you got onto the CPM...
All I ever see from you is nonsense and/or extremely biased
The question is how much of the bias is from experience and/or data?
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2130
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Posted - 2014.10.24 17:07:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:I'm confused about how you got onto the CPM...
All I ever see from you is nonsense and/or extremely biased The question is how much of the bias is from experience and/or data?
AMD and intel are both fine. I have built multiple PC`s using both parts though I will say for gaming with intel dont go above an I5 as an I7 wont offer any noticeable benefits.
AMD are a lot more wallet friendly and on the 4 pc`s I have build using AMD parts, they are all still working flawlessly even after being overclocked.
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God Hates Lags
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:50:00 -
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As far as the AMD vs. Intel debate goes I wouldn't use a AMD processor but the GPU cards by AMD are fine. They run hotter/louder, use more electricity, than an NVIDIA, but are also about $100 cheaper for the same performance. So take your pick. I've been using an R9 280 for a while now and it's been working beautifully, got no complaints.
"Look what I destroyed in two days"
"Look what I destroyed in 2 seconds"
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God Hates Lags
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:53:00 -
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Oh. And now that I actually took a look at all those builds, those are laughably bad builds. $600 computers still using AMD processors? I think not.
"Look what I destroyed in two days"
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