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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:19:00 -
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Before hotfix Bravo I agreed it was OP because of their precision + range bonuses, but now that the precision is gone, what's wrong with it?
It is the second lowest eHP suit in the game (1st is min scout), shield tanking compared to armor tanking is viable as a toilet in the kitchen, and the gal scout is better than it at like everything, eWAR for first.
Now about the hitbox "issue".
How do you feel shooting a gal scout with 400 HP of armor with an AR (anti-shield weapon)? You feel like you're not hitting it at all, so you have to struggle a bit to kill it. So why shouldn't it be the same for a HMG or CR (anti-armor weapons) user over a caldari scout? Stop whining and get an anti-shield weapon.
And now about the strafe.
Any and I say any other scouts could strafe as fast as the caldari, if they don't stack armor plates like NS with their 12:00 timers (that's also why I and others who like strafing use shield suits only). So the thing is, if you say that the Caldari scouts' issue is its "super fast" strafe, sense wants that you're saying all the other scouts have that issue.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:20:00 -
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it's not the caldari scout, it's the lack of strafe inertia allowing a change of direction with no loss of speed. it's what's causing the problems, not the calscout itself. |
BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:it's not the caldari scout, it's the lack of strafe inertia allowing a change of direction with no loss of speed. it's what's causing the problems, not the calscout itself.
That and combined with a cal scouts very low shield repair times means that over abusing strafing and the scout can repair his entire HP very quickly.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:26:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:it's not the caldari scout, it's the lack of strafe inertia allowing a change of direction with no loss of speed. it's what's causing the problems, not the calscout itself.
I agree but we can do nothing on it since it would require a client update.
Quote:That and combined with a cal scouts very low shield repair times means that over abusing strafing and the scout can repair his entire HP very quickly.
Agreed, the shield regen it's too high. It should be replaced with the CalAss' one and viceversa.
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shaman oga
Krullefor Organization
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:28:00 -
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It doesn't need a nerf, it need a fix.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:53:00 -
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It is the inertia issue. Personally like the cal scout, but if I'm honest the things hitbox is non existent?! Whether shield or armor weapon, it just doesn't take damage 90% of the time. I have both the combat rifle with proficiency, and the assault rifle with proficiency.
If they could add the inertia that would be great. As much as I hate it I feel that scouts hitbox is fair because of their low ehp. The lack of inertia is what makes them ridiculous. This is something I think CCP should be willing to fix regardless as it has been narrowed down to be the issue in numerous threads.
It's not "gun game" when you use broken mechanics to escape death?! "Gun game" is target acquisition, situational awareness, communication with friendlies to attack targets simultaneously, flanking, etc.
This is worth a client fix! If you want to attract new players fotm isn't the way to go?! The "bolt pistols" 70% damage buff isn't how you keep players either, but that's another thread entirely?! If you want to attract players that will stay with the game, spend cash, and grow the community you need to attract the hardcore! Guys and gals who don't leave as soon as their OP weapon gets a justified nerf.
Fix the inertia, balance these weapons, and stop fotm BS! Give us a 1.9 update with this in mind, and watch all the players who left return.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:13:00 -
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You can actually do it in an assault suit easily too. the exploit lets you pretty much chop any suit with a bigger hitbox and slower movement to chutney.
You can do it to tanks in a sentinel suit if you know what you're doing.
adding deceleration, acceleration and inertia to dropsuits is my one wish item for a real patch.
I'd forgo having more heavy weapons for it. |
hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:42:00 -
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hit box is definitely fishy. Cal scouts always take an extra shotgun blast even though the shotgun does more damage to shields.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:47:00 -
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It's delays and HP/s should be swamped with Assault suits.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:56:00 -
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You lost me when you started whining about shield tanking being worse than armor tanking. It isn't anymore.
Shield tanking is easily on par with armor nowadays, with the recent buffs it has gotten. |
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:19:00 -
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So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself. |
BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:43:00 -
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I don't understand why people spec into caldari assaults when there's something better caldari scouts. Lol
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Haerr
Clone Manque
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:48:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:I don't understand why people spec into caldari assaults when there's something better caldari scouts. Lol
Tell me about it, I have specced level 5 in Caldari Assault, Caldari Scout, Gallente Assault, and Gallente Scout, my favourite suit by far is the Gallente Scout.
Not Jebus's alt. // Perpetual Newbie. // @JebusMcKing
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Haerr
Clone Manque
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:49:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself.
I'd be down for reducing Scouts regen to Assault levels. Giving the Cal assault the regen of the scout suit would be lol.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:13:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself. I'd be down for reducing Scouts regen to Assault levels. Giving the Cal assault the regen of the scout suit would be lol.
Yeah.
Calassaults with 650 Shields that regenerate from empty to full in like 12 seconds would stupidly OP. |
Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:20:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Haerr wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself. I'd be down for reducing Scouts regen to Assault levels. Giving the Cal assault the regen of the scout suit would be lol. Yeah. Calassaults with 650 Shields that regenerate from empty to full in like 12 seconds would stupidly OP.
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 21:13:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Haerr wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself. I'd be down for reducing Scouts regen to Assault levels. Giving the Cal assault the regen of the scout suit would be lol. Yeah. Calassaults with 650 Shields that regenerate from empty to full in like 12 seconds would stupidly OP. You guys ruined my mischievous plan
But if the regen was reduced to 30 that would mean all of the other scout regen would of have to be changed to keep it in line |
shaman oga
S.W.A.G. of J.E.B.U.S.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 21:24:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Haerr wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself. I'd be down for reducing Scouts regen to Assault levels. Giving the Cal assault the regen of the scout suit would be lol. Yeah. Calassaults with 650 Shields that regenerate from empty to full in like 12 seconds would stupidly OP. You guys ruined my mischievous plan But if the regen was reduced to 30 that would mean all of the other scout regen would of have to be changed to keep it in line
Yes, what is the problem with that?
I never understood why a gal scout have a such great shield regen, 30 HP/s on a suit supposed to be armor based are more than what people really need, 15-20 HP/s would be enough.
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BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 21:40:00 -
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Haerr wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:I don't understand why people spec into caldari assaults when there's something better caldari scouts. Lol Tell me about it, I have specced level 5 in Caldari Assault, Caldari Scout, Gallente Assault, and Gallente Scout, my favourite suit by far is the Gallente Scout.
Dang I've 5 on gallente scouts and wish I had 5 on all these. Tells me is it true caldari scouts are better than the caldari assault since you have 5 on both of them. What's your opinion. I was going to skill into the caldari assault, but since there is no talk about changing the bonus my hopes for that decision is low now. Where all the talk about changing the gallente and caldari bonus?
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:13:00 -
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Hitbox is buggy.
I don't mind the uber tankability if you have to give up ewar but the hit box is just messed up plus the anti shield weapons aren't very good as the anti armor counterpart
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Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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Haerr
Clone Manque
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:02:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:Haerr wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:I don't understand why people spec into caldari assaults when there's something better caldari scouts. Lol Tell me about it, I have specced level 5 in Caldari Assault, Caldari Scout, Gallente Assault, and Gallente Scout, my favourite suit by far is the Gallente Scout. Dang I've 5 on gallente scouts and wish I had 5 on all these. Tells me is it true caldari scouts are better than the caldari assault since you have 5 on both of them. What's your opinion. I was going to skill into the caldari assault, but since there is no talk about changing the bonus my hopes for that decision is low now. Where all the talk about changing the gallente and caldari bonus?
If you already have Gallente Scout then you are set, there really is no need to spec into another suit. :-)
Just save your SP for when they do the next balancing pass.
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:12:00 -
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As some one with all Caldari suits maxed with all the dropsuit upgrades. Caldari Assault is a much better choice 90% of the time compaired to the Caldari Scout. The Caldari Scout dies way to quickly to a Scrambler Riffle even if your fully tanked.
Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:51:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself.
Disagreed on all counts.
* CA Scout is least flexible of Scouts. Equipped for EWAR, it is inferior to AM and GA Scouts. Tanked, it is inferior to Assault (including Caldari).
* Do performance statistics show that shield tanked and/or regulated CalScouts are causing problems? People spam what works, and I've met very few of these this build.
* Strafe acceleration could indeed be improved upon. But there is still a unique HD bug specific to the CalScout.
Shoot scout with yes.
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iKILLu osborne
ripley's believe it or die
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Posted - 2014.10.06 11:24:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Hitbox is buggy.
I don't mind the uber tankability if you have to give up ewar but the hit box is just messed up plus the anti shield weapons aren't very good as the anti armor counterpart
shotgun works pretty damn well (ohk)
charged scr (ohk)
laser rifle (i don't even have time to move)
lp cal scout i demand it
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.06 12:37:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself.
Not so sure about the hit box issue. The no inertial strafing can be done on any suite, but if there is a hit box issue on the Caldari Scout the two issues together may be having a multiplying effect.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Inmortal Slayer
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:09:00 -
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AR is a hybrid not anti sheild, after reading thag I went straight to comments. |
Inmortal Slayer
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:15:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:So we all agree that:
- If CCP nerfs the Cal Scout, they should nerf all the other scouts too.
- Its shield regen and delay should be swamped with the Cal assault.
- The Hitbox is not a problem of the Caldari scout itself.
Ok if you think nerfing the Minja is a good idea because your suit gets nerfed is a good idea I have to say one thing, you sir are a ******.
Everh minja will make 600posts and I will make 1000 and mr musturd ( my new enemy ) will make even more as the minja is a 1shot from milita flaylock I killed my self from blues jumping in front of me and me shooting early or late at a wall and we get 2shot by scramblers our only good thing is speed, hacking and knife bonus. I cant belive you never even considered the stupidity of your plan. |
Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:26:00 -
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Inmortal Slayer wrote:AR is a hybrid not anti sheild, after reading thag I went straight to comments.
After reading this I didn't read your second post. |
Inmortal Slayer
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:30:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Inmortal Slayer wrote:AR is a hybrid not anti sheild, after reading thag I went straight to comments. After reading this I didn't read your second post.
Touche.
Well played.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:31:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:Haerr wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:I don't understand why people spec into caldari assaults when there's something better caldari scouts. Lol Tell me about it, I have specced level 5 in Caldari Assault, Caldari Scout, Gallente Assault, and Gallente Scout, my favourite suit by far is the Gallente Scout. Dang I've 5 on gallente scouts and wish I had 5 on all these. Tells me is it true caldari scouts are better than the caldari assault since you have 5 on both of them. What's your opinion. I was going to skill into the caldari assault, but since there is no talk about changing the bonus my hopes for that decision is low now. Where all the talk about changing the gallente and caldari bonus? its the ewar that puts the caldari scout over the assault and rail rifle bonus sucks. the assault is not bad but everyone can see you on the map and you can't see jack.
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