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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:33:00 -
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Aim Assist lining up a headshot along with giving you Bullet Magnetism on the other hand, is ridiculous.
Remove the BP's AA feature and watch as people who appeared to have the skills of a Cowboy from the Old West turn into a bunch of flounders who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
The 1st Matari Commando
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aim Assist lining up a headshot along with giving you Bullet Magnetism on the other hand, is ridiculous.
Remove the BP's AA feature and watch as people who appeared to have the skills of a Cowboy from the Old West turn into a bunch of flounders who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
exactly. I find it quite hard to kill someone with it, unless hes still, or i get lucky, whicb is why im running nk+bp fit, get in close, and spam nks, jump around and hope he doesnt kill me, if he gets away, then i empty my bp clip, of which hopefully one connects |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:38:00 -
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4 shots of STD BP > Proto Cal Commando isn't OP? Why do the Caldari Scum get all the OP weapons. RR, SL now BP
Pokemon master!
Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:40:00 -
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I personaly dont have problem with them, but what about take down RoF little and leave it be 
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Cody Sietz
Evzones
Public.Disorder.
4030
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:41:00 -
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I did well with it pre patch. 16/2 with dual BPs and only 1 point invested.
I do so wish to try them today.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:42:00 -
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I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection.
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:42:00 -
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I've played RDR a lot.
The gun is also OP now, proto BP do more damage than a Ishukone SR, i've used it since it came out, but with the current buff CCP has jumped a little to far.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
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Aria Gomes
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:43:00 -
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When they nerf it I hope they go back to the original stats. I did just fine with it in Charlie. They can keep the ammo count to 4 that okay.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:46:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection.
During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways.
I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem.
The 1st Matari Commando
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:48:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:When they nerf it I hope they go back to the original stats. I did just fine with it in Charlie. They can keep the ammo count to 4 that okay.
With old values they should increase clip to 8 and range to 72, then it would be fine for me, i've never asked for a damage buff.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection. During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem.
Lag, people shoots me through the walls lately.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
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valad II
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:57:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:I personaly dont have problem with them, but what about take down RoF little and leave it be
Take down the rof? They are already slow as molasses. Tune down the power leave the ROF. |
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.04 20:09:00 -
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valad II wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:I personaly dont have problem with them, but what about take down RoF little and leave it be Take down the rof? They are already slow as molasses. Tune down the power leave the ROF.
From what i know, everytime if they start with damage it makes stuff unbalanced like hell.
But whaterever i dont have problem with it, i dont use that fell nerf damage if you want
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Joel II X
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:07:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I did well with it pre patch. 16/2 with dual BPs and only 1 point invested.
I do so wish to try them today.
Yeah, they were okay before.
250 damage per shot is kind of over the top, though. Make it 180 damage, and make it a 5 shot. That's what I'd like. |
hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:14:00 -
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LOL. I don't use aim assist and the bolt pistol is insanely overpowered.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:21:00 -
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Silly me for coming here expecting actual arguments for or against the bolt pistol being OP.
No one puts any real effort into their claims anymore. No one left to troll debate with. [:/]
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:23:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Atiim wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection. During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem. Lag, people shoots me through the walls lately.
Yep, I finally did a test to see just how bad this is. I put on a heavy suit and as. I come out from behind a container to shoot and then move back the animation and sound of fire as is the damage registration continue after I am behind cover. I just had a dropship shot down as it was being delivered and was already dropped and behind the building.
I used to think I was a bad player, but now I know. It is a delay that makes using a scout suit for me very difficult. I hate that because I like using the scout suit, but I am so tired of getting shot down before I even know I'm being shot at that I started using a medium suit to get some buffer between when I am being shot at and when it registers.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection. During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem.
We have video of Judge shooting someone not even in his crosshairs, which sounds like what's been going on with the bolt pistol.
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:06:00 -
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Its damage needs toning down regardless. Considering AA, its hideously OP. I ran without AA and still got over 40 kills with Dual-Bolt Pistols, 3 shotting Heavies with a Kaalakiota BP.
Sick of scouts one-shotting me to the head though.
The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1.
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:17:00 -
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I only have lvl 1 bolt pistol. I don't really like it. That charge delay annoys me and is the same reason I am not a RR fan.
However, tons of people are complaining about the BP which I find strange because I haven't really been killed by one very much. Maybe it's because I Breach SCP them in the face before they shot me. Not sure.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:19:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I only have lvl 1 bolt pistol. I don't really like it. That charge delay annoys me and is the same reason I am not a RR fan.
However, tons of people are complaining about the BP which I find strange because I haven't really been killed by one very much. Maybe it's because I Breach SCP them in the face before they shot me. Not sure.
Is the breach still good after the nerf?
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:45:00 -
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I think the Bolt Pistol is a little bit OP. At the beggining I was being killed left and right with this thing so, for this event I gave it a go. At first I didn't like it at all. I hated it so much I changed my gun in battle. I tried the ION pistol and I liked that one even less. So, I decided to give the BP another go but, this time I was more methodical in my attack/approach. Once you position yourself and take aim the gun is super powerful. Most scouts will go down in 1 shot. Most assault suits go down in two except one or two guys here and there. They may survive the 1st attack but, I can hide and reload and they won't survive the second attack.
Here is the thing. The bolt pistol is super powerful from day one. I'm using the militia and I'm taking out expensive suits with better weapons. Look at it this way, I run either a gallente logi or a caldari scout. My scout fit cost about 40k isk where as my logi fit in in the 50k+ isk. For this event I'm using a caladari basic suit. The way I have it set up it cost about 20k isk. If I wanted to I could make it even cheaper. With that I can take out a 50k isk suit no problems This is a militia sidearm and it can destroy people bettter than other weapons that you have to spend a lot of isk and skill points to use. It is literally a long range shotgun. Yes, even the basic shotgun is super powerful but at least the shot gun requires you to get in super close and it also requires that you skill up your suit and modules so that you are not detected and therefore able to close the distance. There is no requirement to be able to be effective with the bolt pistol at all.
Don't get me wrong. I'm loving this gun but, it does makes me question why bother using any other suit or setup. I can be good with it with a low level cheap suit. Why would I want to risk loosing 50k+ a suit when even a militia suit out of the academy equipped only with this gun can destroy you? |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aim Assist lining up a headshot along with giving you Bullet Magnetism on the other hand, is ridiculous.
Remove the BP's AA feature and watch as people who appeared to have the skills of a Cowboy from the Old West turn into a bunch of flounders who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
while i want to agree, i just had a match where seemingly every person on the hostile team was rockign bolt pistols its even more worse then before RR was nerfed numerous times.. dieing in the blink of an eye.. scouts peeking around corners and getting instant 1 shot headshots (damn KB/m users) and CR is finally useless.. guess its time to dump sp into Rail rifle and join the rest of the FOTM scrubs
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:50:00 -
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As someone who does not use AA, I am unconvinced.
The forums have ruined me.
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:50:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:I only have lvl 1 bolt pistol. I don't really like it. That charge delay annoys me and is the same reason I am not a RR fan.
However, tons of people are complaining about the BP which I find strange because I haven't really been killed by one very much. Maybe it's because I Breach SCP them in the face before they shot me. Not sure. Is the breach still good after the nerf?
The breach scp is a beast. It is my favorite sidearm now.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:54:00 -
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So 500+ damage from a sidearm in 2 shots isn't OP? It does 1 less damage that a sniper rifle and did I mention the fact its a SIDEARM? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 01:00:00 -
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I was pretty amazed how quickly suits were dying when I lined up headshots at medium range with it. It's almost a sniper used right.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.05 03:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection. During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem.
Many people including myself have argued about this point for a long time. I like your proposal.
Now can we remove AA from the game entirely and go back to actual player skill and player aiming?
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 04:05:00 -
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Here is something that has always been true of the forums for games since people starting talking about stuff being OP and UP:
When a thread pops up trying to tell people something isn't OP, it is.
Fixing swarms
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 08:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aim Assist lining up a headshot along with giving you Bullet Magnetism on the other hand, is ridiculous.
Remove the BP's AA feature and watch as people who appeared to have the skills of a Cowboy from the Old West turn into a bunch of flounders who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
sniper rifle damage as sidearm. you argument is invalid  |
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
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Posted - 2014.10.05 10:45:00 -
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I think that the BP should be close to the breach ScP: not so powerful in a body shot but amazing in headshots.
Right now, headshots on the BP are amazing, but not needed at all! I think that CCP should decrease its alpha from 250 to 210 (proto lvl), reduce its RoF a little (like 15-20 rpm less) and increase it's headshots % modifier.
This way it'll still be very efficient in HS (maybe more), but not so devastating in bodyshots. It'll also be balanced with the breach ScP as it'll deal much more damage per bullet, even more in the head, but with a smaller clip size and RoF.
What do you think about it?
Sorry for my bad english ^^
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:28:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Atiim wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I won't lie, I do notice AA pulling my aim to follow people at close range, but bullet magnetism? More like shoddy hit detection. During my tests with AA I noticed that several times I hit an enemy who was behind cover or in a completely different spot than where I aimed, just to get the kill anyways. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a hit detection problem. We have video of Judge shooting someone not even in his crosshairs, which sounds like what's been going on with the bolt pistol.
Intriguing.
Can you link the video?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aim Assist lining up a headshot along with giving you Bullet Magnetism on the other hand, is ridiculous.
Remove the BP's AA feature and watch as people who appeared to have the skills of a Cowboy from the Old West turn into a bunch of flounders who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Says the guy that says AV isn't OP and tanks ruin the game.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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