DUST Search - To anyone who complains about scouts...

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Get an Ion Pistol and go to town.

This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency.

scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox

Here is my biggest problem, they can take just as much abuse as any medium suit can, and they can deal the same amount of damage as any medium suit can.

I know what you are thinking:

Hey wait a second, I cannot get my scout to have as many HP as my assault/logi!

Well, You definitely do get a hit box that is between 20-30% smaller. That means you eHP is 20-30% higher versus the same eHP on a medium frame, because 20-30% of the bullets that would normally hit you will not hit you. This also means that you have effectively similar HP totals when tanked.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5396	Posted - 2014.10.04 12:32:00 - [1] - Quote Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3566	Posted - 2014.10.04 12:55:00 - [2] - Quote Ion pistols aren't that great against GalScouts, though. Real scout killers are the IP and BrScP. IPs generally only shine against bigger targets. Hell, I dropped about 200 commandos/sentinels with my MLT variants just yesterday.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2444	Posted - 2014.10.04 12:57:00 - [3] - Quote BP if the scout is 30+ meters away is death. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3530	Posted - 2014.10.04 13:02:00 - [4] - Quote For this to be good advice scouts would need a slower walk/sprint speed and no cloaking device. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5397	Posted - 2014.10.04 18:13:00 - [5] - Quote I'm talking about CQB fighting only. Generally speaking an Assault or heavy will outmatch scouts at distance because at that point speed is A LOT less important and HP is EVERYTHING. So you don't need to,worry about scouts at long distance more than any other player. In CQC though scouts rule, mostly because of their ability to use SMG's, Knives and Shotguns to down bigger slower enemies with a blitzkrieg of an attack. In short if you see a scout within eye staring distance it is usually too late. Cue the Ion Pistol, which you can use to kill scouts in usually one shot. If you're in a heavy or Assault they will usually have to shoot you twice with a shotgun to kill you, you only need one shot; they may shoot first but you will shoot last. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:32:00 - [6] - Quote Mass Driver your welcome Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5400	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Mass Driver your welcome Mass Driver when they're up in your face? I'll pass... Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:43:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Zindorak wrote: Mass Driver your welcome Mass Driver when they're up in your face? I'll pass... Splash damage Your welcome Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 947	Posted - 2014.10.04 22:50:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Vicious Minotaur 1188	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:08:00 - [10] - Quote I myself just use whatever weapon I have on me at the time as an anti-scout weapon. I've never found the need to use a specific weapon to take out a pesky scout. Shoot them, and they die, same as everybody else... I am a minotaur.

Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1123	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:31:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox The problem with scouts is their scan attributes progression along with straight value HP modules. On HP modules: HP modules, being flat values, add some ridiculous amount of HP to scouts, like an additional 50%... this translates into a 50% longer TTK for scouts. The same module adds something like 15% to the TTK of a sentinel. On Scan attributes: There is a pretty flat progression of scan attributes between heavies to mediums and then you get the scout. Scan profile goes from 50 for medium suits down to 35 for scouts.... this is a 30% drop in scan profile (more than any module or bonus in the game) which just eliminates the other suits from even attempting to play the EWAR game. The same goes for scan range, a scout has DOUBLE the scan range of all suits but the logistics, while the very best module in game will only increase it by 45%, another type of EWAR that other suits cannot really take part in. This is part of the problem, intel/covert ops. Scouts are the undisputed kings in ALL things intel/covert ops, actually they are really the only players in it. This would be maybe ok (not really) if they couldn't so easily participate in tanking and mild logistics work along with assaulting, but as it is this one suit can do all of these things. Scouts are the very best at intel, covert ops, cloaking(actually the only ones), long range scouting, speed, distance, and terrain mobility while still being competent (while not the best) at tanking, assaulting, AV, and light logistics work (scouts have the same number of equipment slots as the base amarr logi.) Honestly an in-depth look at the base stats, the module bonuses, and the suit bonuses is in order here. Fixing swarms
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 122	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:43:00 - [12] - Quote Wooo i shoted down one with mlt Flaylock "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4711	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:48:00 - [13] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Wooo i shoted down one with mlt Flaylock KRRROOOOOOM
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5410	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:36:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox Scans are overrated. If you're smart enough to flank and a good shot then you can take on scouts fairly effectively with not much of a second thought. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1124	Posted - 2014.10.06 04:43:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox Scans are overrated. If you're smart enough to flank and a good shot then you can take on scouts fairly effectively with not much of a second thought. Unless they can see you on tacnet, which they can EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME. You can't sneak up on a scout if they know what they are doing. Fixing swarms
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1125	Posted - 2014.10.06 04:54:00 - [16] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox Here is my biggest problem, they can take just as much abuse as any medium suit can, and they can deal the same amount of damage as any medium suit can. I know what you are thinking: Hey wait a second, I cannot get my scout to have as many HP as my assault/logi! Well, You definitely do get a hit box that is between 20-30% smaller. That means you eHP is 20-30% higher versus the same eHP on a medium frame, because 20-30% of the bullets that would normally hit you will not hit you. This also means that you have effectively similar HP totals when tanked. Fixing swarms
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5423	Posted - 2014.10.06 06:33:00 - [17] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Get an Ion Pistol and go to town. This public service announcement has been brought to you by by the Ostrakon Agency. scouts are op. they are basically immune to tacnet while sharing their passive scans, far too versatile.. more so then medium suits which are supposed to be the "versatile" ones , they are also fast and can strafe to just laugh at your attempts to shoot them and worst offender is cal scout who has godlike shield reps and can tank like a beast with its bugged hitbox Here is my biggest problem, they can take just as much abuse as any medium suit can, and they can deal the same amount of damage as any medium suit can. I know what you are thinking: Hey wait a second, I cannot get my scout to have as many HP as my assault/logi! Well, You definitely do get a hit box that is between 20-30% smaller. That means you eHP is 20-30% higher versus the same eHP on a medium frame, because 20-30% of the bullets that would normally hit you will not hit you. This also means that you have effectively similar HP totals when tanked. If you've ever seen a recoil graph then you know that your percentages do not math. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5424	Posted - 2014.10.06 06:55:00 - [18] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Unless they can see you on tacnet, which they can EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME. You can't sneak up on a scout if they know what they are doing. I mean take routes that benefit you as well as moving cover to cover. Staying in a group is also good if you aren't prepared for an uneven fight. I don't know maybe it's because I tend to run my Assault suits like scouts but I rarely get caught off guard even by cloaking scouts. Cloaks just make them look like walking gel figurines. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 55	Posted - 2014.10.06 11:21:00 - [19] - Quote Advantages of a scout: Small hitbox high tanking ability high strafing speed cloak-field bonuses TACNET use-ability versatile use (hacks, tanking, eWar) High electronic warfare stats high shield regen (caldari scout) Disadvantages of a scout low HP Advantages of an assault: Good tanking ability versatile use Disadvantages of an assault Low eWar useless TACNET slow strafing speed no equipment bonuses low equipment slotsss high scan profile large hitbox scout ck.0 here!


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