DUST Search - It Kind of Seems Like Precision Is A Joke Now

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

this is not a rant, so don't get your panties in a bunch Lol

i recently got the gal scout for the slight precision bonus, and often try running 2 precision on it, but to no avail. don't get me wrong, it definitely helps, but it just seems like when you actually need the precision, it fails you (as in the other scout can dodge it)

that's actually pretty fair, considering the gal scout can avoid all scans too, but it just seems to me like precision on anything other than an amarr scout is kind of pointless.

i don't own an amarr scout, so can someone who does own tell me, is it reliable on an amarr scout, or can a gal/cal scout still dodge it with 2 damps? im pretty sure they can, but some confirmation would be appreciated.

either way, im thinking i might go back to my trusty shield suits for now. don't get me wrong, the gal scout is a VERY good suit, especially for people who don't mind being a bit slower, but other than fotm countering and that delicious speed possibly, it's just not really for me. the best fit ive found is 233 shield 162 armor with 3 kincats and a damp.

anyone got any other good ideas?

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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2183	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote this is not a rant, so don't get your panties in a bunch i recently got the gal scout for the slight precision bonus, and often try running 2 precision on it, but to no avail. don't get me wrong, it definitely helps, but it just seems like when you actually need the precision, it fails you (as in the other scout can dodge it) that's actually pretty fair, considering the gal scout can avoid all scans too, but it just seems to me like precision on anything other than an amarr scout is kind of pointless. i don't own an amarr scout, so can someone who does own tell me, is it reliable on an amarr scout, or can a gal/cal scout still dodge it with 2 damps? im pretty sure they can, but some confirmation would be appreciated. either way, im thinking i might go back to my trusty shield suits for now. don't get me wrong, the gal scout is a VERY good suit, especially for people who don't mind being a bit slower, but other than fotm countering and that delicious speed possibly, it's just not really for me. the best fit ive found is 233 shield 162 armor with 3 kincats and a damp. anyone got any other good ideas?
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 109	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:17:00 - [2] - Quote my best adv shotty fit was always 1 ferro 1 hack mod 1 damp my highs had 2 adv presicion enhancers. Idk bout amarr though but i do know is that 2 cplx damps on a max lvl galscout can dodge it.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3723	Posted - 2014.10.03 02:46:00 - [3] - Quote Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused.
iris boss Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 02:53:00 - [4] - Quote I'm very interested in this topic, that is why i became Cal Scout, to be able to see and to not be seen (easy). I'm planning to wear 4 proto precision in my ck.0 but i dont know if its worth the SP
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17030	Posted - 2014.10.03 02:54:00 - [5] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: this is not a rant, so don't get your panties in a bunch i recently got the gal scout for the slight precision bonus, and often try running 2 precision on it, but to no avail. don't get me wrong, it definitely helps, but it just seems like when you actually need the precision, it fails you (as in the other scout can dodge it) that's actually pretty fair, considering the gal scout can avoid all scans too, but it just seems to me like precision on anything other than an amarr scout is kind of pointless. i don't own an amarr scout, so can someone who does own tell me, is it reliable on an amarr scout, or can a gal/cal scout still dodge it with 2 damps? im pretty sure they can, but some confirmation would be appreciated. either way, im thinking i might go back to my trusty shield suits for now. don't get me wrong, the gal scout is a VERY good suit, especially for people who don't mind being a bit slower, but other than fotm countering and that delicious speed possibly, it's just not really for me. the best fit ive found is 233 shield 162 armor with 3 kincats and a damp. anyone got any other good ideas? Moving the bonus to modules? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1488	Posted - 2014.10.03 02:58:00 - [6] - Quote iris boss wrote: I'm very interested in this topic, that is why i became Cal Scout, to be able to see and to not be seen (easy). I'm planning to wear 4 proto precision in my ck.0 but i dont know if its worth the SP Gotta follow the patch notes, mate. Amarr now has the precision bonus Caldari used to have. You're in the wrong suit. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Pure Evil. 1989	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. PSN Sil4ntChaozz Slowly embracing my inner ninja. Im a decent ghost. And a decent menace. Mk.0, Gk.0, & 'Sever' Scout
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2436	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:20:00 - [8] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. 2 on a gal/cal Park. 3 Min/Am "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 124	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:21:00 - [9] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. If you have damp 5, gal 5, and 2-3 complex damps then you better be inivisible! insert Cal where the Gal is also and how many lows do Min have on each level? same question for Amarr Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 247	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. 2 on a gal/cal Park. 3 Min/Am True Vs AmScouts That and a proto cloak is needed to get under maxed Galogi with core focused (the really good one). If cal and gal could get under a Galogi scan with just 2 mods and no cloak then something is wrong. @Sclompton Face-Smasher AM get 3 at adv and proto Min get 2 at adv and 3 at proto. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 3834	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:47:00 - [11] - Quote @TranquilBiscuit I have full Amarr Scout skills on an alt, and I've had good success with it. Everyone lights up at medium range so I use it mostly for defensive CQC. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:48:00 - [12] - Quote precision bonuses on scouts are wasted at the moment. Too easy to avoid and i dont really see medium suits or heavys running damps cause thats lolworthy. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3724	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. My mistake. o7
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1002	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:55:00 - [14] - Quote The scan bonus on the gal is pretty worthless. Yeah once in awhile it helps but I find my two complex shield extenders or damage mods help all the time. If you want scans its amarr scout, gal logi or nadda. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Vesperz Inner.Hell 117	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:56:00 - [15] - Quote For Gal/Cal, with two dampeners and a proto cloak, yes, with two dampeners and adv cloak, no. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 124	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:10:00 - [16] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Nope. Three complex. Fun as hell to sneak up on someone and knife them after the scan attempt prevent message, then realizing a BPO suit just dodged the toughest scans. Three complex on any gal scout once you get it to five your invisible. 2 on a gal/cal Park. 3 Min/Am True Vs AmScouts That and a proto cloak is needed to get under maxed Galogi with core focused (the really good one). If cal and gal could get under a Galogi scan with just 2 mods and no cloak then something is wrong. @Sclompton Face-Smasher AM get 3 at adv and proto Min get 2 at adv and 3 at proto. So it sorta balances out at the end, yes? Also with 2 damps on a gal wouldn't that be just right for the amarr to see a damped Gal without cloak? At 3 it should be around 13 while 2 is around 15 right? Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 124	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:12:00 - [17] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: precision bonuses on scouts are wasted at the moment. Too easy to avoid and i dont really see medium suits or heavys running damps cause thats lolworthy. I do sometimes on militia's and the covenant or what ever Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 247	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:33:00 - [18] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: So it sorta balances out at the end, yes? Also with 2 damps on a gal wouldn't that be just right for the amarr to see a damped Gal without cloak? At 3 it should be around 13 while 2 is around 15 right? In scout v scout yeah I think its the most balanced ewar has been. Im like 7 bigzillion percent sure 2 damp gals get under 2 precision amarr scans. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
DarthPlagueis TheWise 141	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:36:00 - [19] - Quote I was going to give a response to this thread, then I noticed you're in Fatal Absolution so no matter what I say you're still going to think you're right and I'm wrong. yawn Next thread please. destiny sux
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 124	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:38:00 - [20] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: So it sorta balances out at the end, yes? Also with 2 damps on a gal wouldn't that be just right for the amarr to see a damped Gal without cloak? At 3 it should be around 13 while 2 is around 15 right? In scout v scout yeah I think its the most balanced ewar has been. Im like 7 bigzillion percent sure 2 damp gals get under 2 precision amarr scans. well from proto fits (just a basic look is what I did so don't kill me) is 15. something since I can't read the rest and amarr is what with a precision type suit? Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR

Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 248	Posted - 2014.10.03 06:00:00 - [21] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: So it sorta balances out at the end, yes? Also with 2 damps on a gal wouldn't that be just right for the amarr to see a damped Gal without cloak? At 3 it should be around 13 while 2 is around 15 right? In scout v scout yeah I think its the most balanced ewar has been. Im like 7 bigzillion percent sure 2 damp gals get under 2 precision amarr scans. well from proto fits (just a basic look is what I did so don't kill me) is 15. something since I can't read the rest and amarr is what with a precision type suit? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171787 Check the chart. It may be some fuckery going on with cal range stats there but i think those damp/precision stats are legit. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Im a nerd that wears Jordans and True Religion jeans. Savage Worlds > D20 \| Tay Roc > DNA
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 125	Posted - 2014.10.03 06:47:00 - [22] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: So it sorta balances out at the end, yes? Also with 2 damps on a gal wouldn't that be just right for the amarr to see a damped Gal without cloak? At 3 it should be around 13 while 2 is around 15 right? In scout v scout yeah I think its the most balanced ewar has been. Im like 7 bigzillion percent sure 2 damp gals get under 2 precision amarr scans. well from proto fits (just a basic look is what I did so don't kill me) is 15. something since I can't read the rest and amarr is what with a precision type suit? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171787 Check the chart. It may be some fuckery going on with cal range stats there but i think those damp/precision stats are legit. Thanks for the link Also comparing those numbers to Proto fits it seems they aren't too different Gal scout with core and scout skills- 27.895 charts vs 26.78 Proto fits Profile Dampening no mod or cloak Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.10.03 08:40:00 - [23] - Quote bonus should be shifted to modules and modules + base values should have about equal values for precision and signature.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3539	Posted - 2014.10.03 09:38:00 - [24] - Quote Now my ACTUAL numbers may be a little of, but. All 3 Scouts are capable of avoiding a duvolle focused scanner on a gallogi. The gallante can avoid it on skills and dampeners alone, The other 3 scouts can dodge it while their cloak is active (due to the cloaks built in dampening bonus) As far as I am aware, the duvolle focuses on a gallogi is has a better prescision than can be reached by an Amarr Scout on max prescision mods. As for my personal experience, I'm an Assault, I might as well be running round the battlefield with a blindfold and a shoot me sign, on some matches. Passive scanning needs a rework, such that you don't get so much information from the scan. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 44	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:23:00 - [25] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: this is not a rant, so don't get your panties in a bunch i recently got the gal scout for the slight precision bonus, and often try running 2 precision on it, but to no avail. don't get me wrong, it definitely helps, but it just seems like when you actually need the precision, it fails you (as in the other scout can dodge it) that's actually pretty fair, considering the gal scout can avoid all scans too, but it just seems to me like precision on anything other than an amarr scout is kind of pointless. i don't own an amarr scout, so can someone who does own tell me, is it reliable on an amarr scout, or can a gal/cal scout still dodge it with 2 damps? im pretty sure they can, but some confirmation would be appreciated. either way, im thinking i might go back to my trusty shield suits for now. don't get me wrong, the gal scout is a VERY good suit, especially for people who don't mind being a bit slower, but other than fotm countering and that delicious speed possibly, it's just not really for me. the best fit ive found is 233 shield 162 armor with 3 kincats and a damp. anyone got any other good ideas? Your weekly EWAR IS BROKEN PSA: Precision will never win the EWar against a scout frame. Any scout frame when correctly built can dodge any scan. Including Amar with max precision or GalLogi with best scanner. Because of this there is no counter against cloaked/damped shotgun scouts that run up and one shot you except for dumb luck. Enjoy
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1613	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:27:00 - [26] - Quote It only takes gal scouts 2 dampeners and they evade all scans other than the Gal Logi w/proto focused active scanner. If that same dual dampened gal scout adds an active advanced or proto cloak, and he becomes invisible to all scans.
iris boss Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:56:00 - [27] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: iris boss wrote: I'm very interested in this topic, that is why i became Cal Scout, to be able to see and to not be seen (easy). I'm planning to wear 4 proto precision in my ck.0 but i dont know if its worth the SP Gotta follow the patch notes, mate. Amarr now has the precision bonus Caldari used to have. You're in the wrong suit. I'm not caldari for that bonus, im caldari because range bonus and 4 high slots where i can put 4 complex precisi+¦n, that should be better than ammar with bonus and 2 complex
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:06:00 - [28] - Quote iris boss wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: iris boss wrote: I'm very interested in this topic, that is why i became Cal Scout, to be able to see and to not be seen (easy). I'm planning to wear 4 proto precision in my ck.0 but i dont know if its worth the SP Gotta follow the patch notes, mate. Amarr now has the precision bonus Caldari used to have. You're in the wrong suit. I'm not caldari for that bonus, im caldari because range bonus and 4 high slots where i can put 4 complex precisi+¦n, that should be better than ammar with bonus and 2 complex stacking penalty says no caldari proto scout max skills with 4 proto enhancers => 19.89 dB amarr proto scout max skills with 2 proto enhancers => 17.85 dB
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 936	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:19:00 - [29] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Gal logi 5 and active scanners 5 is my next big SP sink.. be warned scouts! [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
iris boss Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:33:00 - [30] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: iris boss wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: iris boss wrote: I'm very interested in this topic, that is why i became Cal Scout, to be able to see and to not be seen (easy). I'm planning to wear 4 proto precision in my ck.0 but i dont know if its worth the SP Gotta follow the patch notes, mate. Amarr now has the precision bonus Caldari used to have. You're in the wrong suit. I'm not caldari for that bonus, im caldari because range bonus and 4 high slots where i can put 4 complex precisi+¦n, that should be better than ammar with bonus and 2 complex stacking penalty says no caldari proto scout max skills with 4 proto enhancers => 19.89 dB amarr proto scout max skills with 2 proto enhancers => 17.85 dB Precision Enhancer does not have any penalties, not that i know, it does not say it anywere

Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 44	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:41:00 - [31] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Joel II X wrote: Pretty sure a Gk.0 with 2 CPX Damps can dodge everything but a Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused. Gal logi 5 and active scanners 5 is my next big SP sink.. be warned scouts! You're gonna be sad when you realize that Gk.0 Scout can stack 2 more damps beyond that one and become entirely invisible to you. Specing balls our precision is a waste of time and SP, please dont frustrate yourself. :(
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 58	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:04:00 - [32] - Quote Precision IS a joke, mainly because of the scan range of suits(I mean seriously, that speed detector used by law enforcement to see how fast vehicles are going can be either a gun, or a stationary, yet small object and it's a radar and can achieve a detecting distances that roll over dropsuit scanner's distances over and over and you're telling me it's the future in dust and the future can't be generous enough to give us something close to 30 metres and just make a bit of dampening make all the difference?) So far because of that it's only useful for "scout" suit users hunting other users of said suit or people acting as a real scout for their squads. Anyways... maybe you could try doing regeneration frenzy on your suits? You know, sacrifice some hit points here and there for super fast regenerating shields, armour, and or both. I've seen some people do this because it works well for them. Give it a try, since you never know what you might stumble upon in statistical games such as this one.


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