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Thurak1
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:04:00 -
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Shouldnt sidearms be at least a little less powerful than other primary weapons? It just seems weird to me running into so many people using the bolt pistol as their primary weapon.
Also as a side note the only reason the burst hmg is so awesome is because i seem to constantly run into newbs. It seems there are a lot of people that dont understand the role of a heavy yet. We are walking tanks, we have hps and dps, Running up to us to melee us dead is going to make you turn into a pile of goo in no time flat. Now i say this because after playing a few days in a row now i have had countless players actually charge me running at a sprint into me. I normally hold fire these days if a clone is sprinting at me especially if they have a rifle in hand ( NK'ers get sprayed will dead and a few extra in the corpse! ) then they stop like 20 meters out and decide to engage me. I cant even count how often this has happened but i have yet to be taken out in this manner.
So in all seriousness when i think of a sidearm i think of something that is more of a close combat weapon. I have seen the bolt pistol being used at 50-70 yard with pretty good accuracy which is where a rifle really should perform better. |
The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:09:00 -
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If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream.
New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
360
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:11:00 -
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Because they should be worth equipping, and the choice on whether sidearms should be powerful or not is a design choice, not a balancing factor.
Also, they still are weaker than primary weapons, by about 10-15%. They also shoot only 60-70% as far as their primary counterpart, on average. |
BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
260
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:11:00 -
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The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream.
It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact.
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
360
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:15:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Woo! Fundamentally flawed human physiology which leads to inevitable death! Woo! |
Joel II X
molon labe. General Tso's Alliance
3688
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:17:00 -
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.500 Magnum
More powerful than your average grandpapa's farts, and kicks any ass imaginable.
I believe this is what the Bolt is supposed to be, but with one round less. Lucky you. |
Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
500
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:38:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact.
Makes you wonder who the first human was to eat a lobster. Gutsy call, that one, seeing as how they look like giant sea cockroaches.
Delicious sea bugs they are! aaarrrgh
Edit: oh and my original thought for the OP, since DUST isn't getting any new content, think of the sidearm buffs as, well, new content. Mercs using sidearms as their main is the closest to new weapons we are gonna get. Glass half full and so on.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
363
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:53:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Because they should be worth equipping, and the choice on whether sidearms should be powerful or not is a design choice, not a balancing factor.
Also, they still are weaker than primary weapons, by about 10-15%. They also shoot only 60-70% as far as their primary counterpart, on average.
Bolt pistol is, in classic ccp fashion, fotm?! They can't help themselves lol! They have to have atleast one at all times lol! Bolt pistol was fine before.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
16904
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:01:00 -
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Sidearms should be great enough back up weapons and finishers. Because they're not primary weapons they and currently do suffer in endurance and generally range. Most light weapons can go much longer in combat without ammo restocking than most sidearms as well.
Resorting to sidearms only should also only be a hallmark of skill. That you have given up quite a few benefits to put the smack down with the puny guns.
One more advantage side arms have is the damage modules being much stronger than light damage mods.
Now the bolt pistol may need a slight drawback but its goal should still remain the same.
It's the kind of pistol you'd want for accuracy target shooting tournaments.
Scramblers are like your 9mm Ions are your 45 calibers with charge function Flaylock is your 12 gauge multi round rocket launcher SMGs are your spray and pray room clearers. Magsecs are your urban spec ops weapon. and Knives are knives.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Vulpes Dolosus
molon labe. General Tso's Alliance
2188
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:18:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Woo! Fundamentally flawed human physiology which leads to inevitable death! Woo! Let's be honest, do you really want humans to live forever?
EDIT: On topic: Side arms have some shortcomings, as IWS said above, that limit their ability in relation to light weapons.
Dust was real! I was there!
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Atiim
12611
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:24:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Woo! Fundamentally flawed human physiology which leads to inevitable death! Woo! Let's be honest, do you really want humans to live forever? The list of things we could accomplish would be infinite.
Unfortunately, that list of things would most likely include overcrowding and eventually the Nuclear Apocalypse.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
361
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:30:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Woo! Fundamentally flawed human physiology which leads to inevitable death! Woo! Let's be honest, do you really want humans to live forever? EDIT: On topic: Side arms have some shortcomings, as IWS said above, that limit their ability in relation to light weapons. Maybe not in this form, but I believe transhumanism will be one of our finest accomplishments...
...if we ever make it that far. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1227
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:31:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:
Makes you wonder who the first human was to eat a lobster. Gutsy call, that one, seeing as how they look like giant sea cockroaches.
Delicious sea bugs they are! aaarrrgh
I use to say this ^^^ all the time and people use to tell me how good they were , I have allergies to them so I just didn't find them appealing .
I thought I was the only one who thought this way .
It was just too obvious .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
705
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:36:00 -
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I like the bolt reload and pg buff, the damage buff wasnt quite needed since they fixed range hit detection they could either: Keep the reload and pg and return the damage to old and revert the clip and capacity to old
Or
Mtl 160
Std 170
Adv195
Proto 220
And keep the guns new changes
Btw ive had it at proficiency 5 since release
DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:45:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:I like the bolt reload and pg buff, the damage buff wasnt quite needed since they fixed range hit detection they could either: Keep the reload and pg and return the damage to old and revert the clip and capacity to old
Or
Mtl 160
Std 170
Adv195
Proto 220
And keep the guns new changes
Btw ive had it at proficiency 5 since release who cares who had what first? your like a little kid "oooh i had that toy first but now everyone uses it so i have to not look like a copy cat I HAD IT FIRST SO MEH!" get a life bro. |
Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
362
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:50:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:I like the bolt reload and pg buff, the damage buff wasnt quite needed since they fixed range hit detection they could either: Keep the reload and pg and return the damage to old and revert the clip and capacity to old
Or
Mtl 160
Std 170
Adv195
Proto 220
And keep the guns new changes
Btw ive had it at proficiency 5 since release who cares who had what first? your like a little kid "oooh i had that toy first but now everyone uses it so i have to not look like a copy cat I HAD IT FIRST SO MEH!" get a life bro. Ikr? I'd been running Placons since 1.5, and I am nothing but happy that they are finally good. I just wish they would add a variant that works like they used to. |
Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
973
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Posted - 2014.09.30 02:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sidearms should be great enough back up weapons and finishers. Because they're not primary weapons they and currently do suffer in endurance and generally range. Most light weapons can go much longer in combat without ammo restocking than most sidearms as well.
Resorting to sidearms only should also only be a hallmark of skill. That you have given up quite a few benefits to put the smack down with the puny guns.
One more advantage side arms have is the damage modules being much stronger than light damage mods.
Now the bolt pistol may need a slight drawback but its goal should still remain the same.
It's the kind of pistol you'd want for accuracy target shooting tournaments.
Scramblers are like your 9mm Ions are your 45 calibers with charge function Flaylock is your 12 gauge multi round rocket launcher SMGs are your spray and pray room clearers. Magsecs are your urban spec ops weapon. and Knives are knives.
It actually makes me want to cry hearing someone refer to the ScP as being like a 9mm... Why'd they have to ruin it, IWS, wai?
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
362
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Posted - 2014.09.30 02:38:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sidearms should be great enough back up weapons and finishers. Because they're not primary weapons they and currently do suffer in endurance and generally range. Most light weapons can go much longer in combat without ammo restocking than most sidearms as well.
Resorting to sidearms only should also only be a hallmark of skill. That you have given up quite a few benefits to put the smack down with the puny guns.
One more advantage side arms have is the damage modules being much stronger than light damage mods.
Now the bolt pistol may need a slight drawback but its goal should still remain the same.
It's the kind of pistol you'd want for accuracy target shooting tournaments.
Scramblers are like your 9mm Ions are your 45 calibers with charge function Flaylock is your 12 gauge multi round rocket launcher SMGs are your spray and pray room clearers. Magsecs are your urban spec ops weapon. and Knives are knives.
It actually makes me want to cry hearing someone refer to the ScP as being like a 9mm... Why'd they have to ruin it, IWS, wai? I know! It used to be like a Desert Eagle!=ƒÿó
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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.09.30 02:39:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:I like the bolt reload and pg buff, the damage buff wasnt quite needed since they fixed range hit detection they could either: Keep the reload and pg and return the damage to old and revert the clip and capacity to old
Or
Mtl 160
Std 170
Adv195
Proto 220
And keep the guns new changes
Btw ive had it at proficiency 5 since release who cares who had what first? your like a little kid "oooh i had that toy first but now everyone uses it so i have to not look like a copy cat I HAD IT FIRST SO MEH!" get a life bro. Ikr? I'd been running Placons since 1.5, and I am nothing but happy that they are finally good. I just wish they would add a variant that works like they used to. wtf is a placon? |
Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
362
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Posted - 2014.09.30 03:24:00 -
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CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:I like the bolt reload and pg buff, the damage buff wasnt quite needed since they fixed range hit detection they could either: Keep the reload and pg and return the damage to old and revert the clip and capacity to old
Or
Mtl 160
Std 170
Adv195
Proto 220
And keep the guns new changes
Btw ive had it at proficiency 5 since release who cares who had what first? your like a little kid "oooh i had that toy first but now everyone uses it so i have to not look like a copy cat I HAD IT FIRST SO MEH!" get a life bro. Ikr? I'd been running Placons since 1.5, and I am nothing but happy that they are finally good. I just wish they would add a variant that works like they used to. wtf is a placon? Plasma Cannon. |
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Thurak1
Psygod9
1014
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Posted - 2014.09.30 03:37:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Makes you wonder who the first human was to eat a lobster. Gutsy call, that one, seeing as how they look like giant sea cockroaches. Delicious sea bugs they are! aaarrrgh Edit: oh and my original thought for the OP, since DUST isn't getting any new content, think of the sidearm buffs as, well, new content. Mercs using sidearms as their main is the closest to new weapons we are gonna get. Glass half full and so on. If i remember properly originally lobsters were fed to the help of the house and not considered a delicacy at all. |
Supernus Gigas
sNk Syndicate
858
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Posted - 2014.09.30 05:42:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Makes you wonder who the first human was to eat a lobster. Gutsy call, that one, seeing as how they look like giant sea cockroaches. Delicious sea bugs they are! aaarrrgh Edit: oh and my original thought for the OP, since DUST isn't getting any new content, think of the sidearm buffs as, well, new content. Mercs using sidearms as their main is the closest to new weapons we are gonna get. Glass half full and so on. If i remember properly originally lobsters were fed to the help of the house and not considered a delicacy at all.
Pretty much. Lobster used to be considered a poor mans food. Do keep in mind they didn't steam them and dip them in butter either. They would actually just grind the entire lobster up into a gruel. Not as appetizing obviously.
FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3293
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Posted - 2014.09.30 05:59:00 -
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Sidearms are powerful because they are intended to kill people.
If they cannot do this, they are a waste of pg/cpu. Its rhat simple.
And OMG I got ganked in a fatsuit with a bolt pistol plz nerf!
Get over it. I find it hilarious that sidearms are a threat to sentinels now. Well, besides the SMG.
But the boundless works better for aspiring pistoleers than the burst. |
DarthPlagueis TheWise
116
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Posted - 2014.09.30 06:00:00 -
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They're not. You are just QQing.
Nothing in this game is as powerful as the Combat Rifle.
Sidearms do about the same damage as an Assault Rifle. That should give you an idea how NOT OP they are.
So what's FOTM?
"Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
6087
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Posted - 2014.09.30 06:56:00 -
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Desert eagle and UMP 45.
They shoot confetti.
Ok.........now say that in quif.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2014.09.30 07:20:00 -
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some of the sidearms have fitting requirements almost similar to light weapons and as such should be worth equipping for their cost. |
The Master Race
Immortal Guides
53
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Posted - 2014.09.30 07:31:00 -
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I do agree that is a show of skill to use sidearm only I myself use ion/ion at times. There are of course exclusions to this smg, mag sec smg, and of course bolt pistol as they are just as strong of course this is pretty much a scout only thing so it really depend on if you can consider a scout skillful. When thinking those downfalls you have to remember fast reload. In my experience I would consider your comparisons off.
These would be my compare: Ion Pistol - Nail Gun (Pull Safety Back) Scrambler Pistol - 45 Bolt pistol - Sniper Rifle (Really though it's better)
Edit: 9mm are trash - They may be cheap but you get what you pay for.
Edit 2 - Bolt pistols one shot my scout... no joke.
New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3844
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Posted - 2014.09.30 07:39:00 -
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Bolt is a bit OP. But sidearms should be lethal. They should just not be able to serve as well in an active combat situation where you're contending with multiple targets.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3297
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Posted - 2014.09.30 07:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolt is a bit OP. But sidearms should be lethal. They should just not be able to serve as well in an active combat situation where you're contending with multiple targets. This is actually where the SMGs excel and the bolt pistol fails utterly.
You can engage multiple hostiles with the SMG/Magsec.
Big pistols not so much. |
BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo
3171
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Posted - 2014.09.30 10:10:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Shouldnt sidearms be at least a little less powerful than other primary weapons? It just seems weird to me running into so many people using the bolt pistol as their primary weapon.
Also as a side note the only reason the burst hmg is so awesome is because i seem to constantly run into newbs. It seems there are a lot of people that dont understand the role of a heavy yet. We are walking tanks, we have hps and dps, Running up to us to melee us dead is going to make you turn into a pile of goo in no time flat. Now i say this because after playing a few days in a row now i have had countless players actually charge me running at a sprint into me. I normally hold fire these days if a clone is sprinting at me especially if they have a rifle in hand ( NK'ers get sprayed will dead and a few extra in the corpse! ) then they stop like 20 meters out and decide to engage me. I cant even count how often this has happened but i have yet to be taken out in this manner.
So in all seriousness when i think of a sidearm i think of something that is more of a close combat weapon. I have seen the bolt pistol being used at 50-70 yard with pretty good accuracy which is where a rifle really should perform better.
What I don't like about the heavy mentality is that heavies should have a counter at close range that is not a scout, heavies are not the only close ranged suits, there are Dropsuit that operate within the range of a heavy whose sole purpose can be negated by just one heavy suit.
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Extraneus Tenebrarum
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
93
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:07:00 -
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If the gun can't kill whats the point of the gun existing? They alredy suffer from drawbacks less range ,ammo count, cant really take on as many targets as lights. |
BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:42:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:Thurak1 wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:The Master Race wrote:If you boil a lobster slowly it will not scream. It's technically immortal since it keeps on growing. Fun fact. Makes you wonder who the first human was to eat a lobster. Gutsy call, that one, seeing as how they look like giant sea cockroaches. Delicious sea bugs they are! aaarrrgh Edit: oh and my original thought for the OP, since DUST isn't getting any new content, think of the sidearm buffs as, well, new content. Mercs using sidearms as their main is the closest to new weapons we are gonna get. Glass half full and so on. If i remember properly originally lobsters were fed to the help of the house and not considered a delicacy at all. Pretty much. Lobster used to be considered a poor mans food. Do keep in mind they didn't steam them and dip them in butter either. They would actually just grind the entire lobster up into a gruel. Not as appetizing obviously.
Yeah lobsters can live for ever if there kept away from humans or other predators. Which is actually a hard thing to do...........................WTF I realized this thread was about sidearms lol.
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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