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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:19:00 -
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I have invested skill points into LAV's and blasters but yet,everybody prefers walking around.Why?
1-Most handheld weapons outclass LAV blaster plus,they offer increased mobility.
2-The gunner often gets killed before killing anyone due to being exposed.
I think the LAV Command skill should offer a damage boost to anti-infantry turrets.Seriously,try to kill someone with a blaster.There will be someone else trying to kill you before you have a chance.Not to mention the fact that LAV's can get destroyed by even basic swarm launchers due to terrain.Aren't LAV's suposed to be a glass cannon vehicle?We need more LAV love.
Why can't I strafe?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:56:00 -
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Logistics LAVs were beastly with Cycled Missile Launchers.
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:06:00 -
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Yes,and they got destroyed by swarms,fporge guns,REs a killshot to gunner and driver,Proximity Explosives and of course,ADS and Tanks.
Why can't I strafe?
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:46:00 -
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Personally I don't like being in an LAV cause I'm a firm believer that they should be the tin can coffin on wheels they were in beta.
I find small blasters to be very effective at killing infantry. The problem with it on LAV's is that if the LAV stops moving the gunner is an easy target that multiple people will aim for but if it's constantly on the move then the gunner can't really shoot at anyone. What would make them good is if the gun's shield covered more of the gunner making it harder to shoot him from the direction he's pointing at and partially from the sides of that. Leaving his back to be the most practical and vulnerable point to shoot him at.
Freinchutz Sniper wrote:Yes,and they got destroyed by swarms,fporge guns,REs a killshot to gunner and driver,Proximity Explosives and of course,ADS and Tanks.
Not very easily. Logistic LAV's were harder to kill than the tanks at the time; probably as hard to kill as 1.7 tanks if not harder than that.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:22:00 -
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Switch the blaster for a rail and I'll join ya.
Rails are beast vs infantry.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:59:00 -
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I disagree that blasters are worse than light weapons. Blasters literally melt people within range. But then that's their issue, range.
Also, LAVs currently get 2-shotted by every serious form of AV. Even my best Methana gets obliterated by swarmers. The Saga is impossible to fit, and even the best fits underperform and the hardening effect makes it impossible to aim.
LAVs need buffed in Echo imo.
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:29:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Switch the blaster for a rail and I'll join ya.
Rails are beast vs infantry.
How about this
Why can't I strafe?
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
758
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:20:00 -
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Here's some tips from someone who frequently LAVs.
1. Use a Heavy suit. You need to soak up as much damage as possible in both Driver and Gunner positions.
2. Use comms and pre-plan your LAV squad. You can't rely on blueberries to recognize that your well fit Methana isn't just your typical militia fit Baloch. Try to find someone in your corp or set up an LAV squad in Squad Finder (Message me in game if you want to squad up sometime)
Basic Swarms SHOULD be able to kill your LAV, they're an AV focused weapon for that very purpose. That said the Methana is a really beefy vehicle that can take more than a few volleys. With armor fitting proficiency I can run the advanced turret of my choice, an armor hardener, an enhanced repair, and a militia scanner without much issue. They're most certainly cannons in the right hands.
Atiim wrote:Logistics LAVs were beastly with Cycled Missile Launchers.
Na ... LogiLAVs cut damage by 50% so they were kinda **** when a gunner was involved.
Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I disagree that blasters are worse than light weapons. Blasters literally melt people within range. But then that's their issue, range.
Also, LAVs currently get 2-shotted by every serious form of AV. Even my best Methana gets obliterated by swarmers. The Saga is impossible to fit, and even the best fits underperform and the hardening effect makes it impossible to aim.
LAVs need buffed in Echo imo.
I really don't think the Methana needs touching, seriously the thing is fine.
The hardener effect absolutely needs to be tweaked though, like you said with the thing obscuring your aim its unacceptable in its current state. And the Saga is ****. Only viable shield LAV is the Saga-II and that's because it comes equipped with a 0CPU/0PG Hardener that never got hit with the nerf bat, doesn't obscure gunner aim when activated, and is still running at 60% resistance (lololol). And even with those buffs its only barely on par with the Methana due to its base tank being so low and the lack of any utility low slots to compensate.
The LAV class as a whole is limited by a number of factors.
1. Severe lack of slots which seriously lowers the number of viable fittings
2. Lack of utility based (think Scanners or the old Remote Repairs) low slots making the already stronger Methana even more useful because it can use a scanner in its high without sacrificing anything in the process
3. Base tank on Saga being waaayy too low.
4. Things like shield boosters being able to be interrupted which negatively effects shield tanking on vehicles across the board.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:21:00 -
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idk man my methana is not easy to destroy but i have millions of SP into vehicle upgrades.. some nights i just drive it around the whole map and watch it not die.
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:26:00 -
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i use a blaster methana. I drive and a squad mate uses the gun in the back. It requires alot of coordination and a heavy suit is a must have (caldari is probs the best for it). Personal record with small blasters in delta is 30-0. Sure when i get AV'ed i make sure to run away, located the AV guy and then try to attack him again. And it takes 3 swarm launcher hits to blow my LAV up and that at proto.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:30:00 -
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The only reason I stay away from LAVs now is that the amount of blueberries that take my **** is getting too damn high.
I can't deal with it anymore. It's gotten to the point where I'll get blueberries on my vehicle just to drive them in the redline to spite them.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:52:00 -
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I actually miss the old Scout LAV's. Me and an old corpmate used to do some really cool drive-by's and dodge all the enemy fire. Really cool. Surprised me that it wasn't popular considering how effective it was.
I also really liked the colour too.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:03:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:The only reason I stay away from LAVs now is that the amount of blueberries that take my **** is getting too damn high.
I can't deal with it anymore. It's gotten to the point where I'll get blueberries on my vehicle just to drive them in the redline to spite them.
it's fun to troll them when they shoot at you for a ride and you move 50m forward every time they almost catch up.
a lav will suck without enough SP into vehicle upgrades.. like the poster said above it requires heavy teamwork to pull off. it will fail if your depending on working the turret solo. the driver has to be aware of incoming fire and make smart decisions for his gunner. as soon as your gunner kills someone you get moving again until next target.if you stay parked too long your gunner will die. no one wants to see the return of lav spam any kind of buff could cause the return of. one needs to invest the SP if they want to expect anything good from lav.
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
758
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:27:00 -
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Na, you can totally solo LAV just fine. It just takes knowledge of how the turret mechanics work, they're always pointing in the cardinal direction they were last facing the last time you used them so plan your attack routes around that. I've gone Blaster LAV in my last 3 matches and I've gone between 14-20 kills and 1-2 deaths in all of them.
It's hilariously effective.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:57:00 -
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Freinchutz Sniper wrote:I have invested skill points into LAV's and blasters but yet,everybody prefers walking around.Why? 1-Most handheld weapons outclass LAV blaster plus,they offer increased mobility. 2-The gunner often gets killed before killing anyone due to being exposed. I think the LAV Command skill should offer a damage boost to anti-infantry turrets.Seriously,try to kill someone with a blaster.There will be someone else trying to kill you before you have a chance.Not to mention the fact that LAV's can get destroyed by even basic swarm launchers due to terrain.Aren't LAV's suposed to be a glass cannon vehicle?We need more LAV love.
LAV's are the best balanced thing in the game, try positioning so you aren't in the middle of a load of people, also if you aren't using a fat suit you're doing it wrong.
They are also the best thing for dodging av with their speed and small size. |
Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:04:00 -
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LAV are alot of fun to be in if they are used right. And its good to have some pretty intimidating fire power to cover someone who is hacking and a Railgun turret is borderline a sniper. |
Joel II X
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Logistics LAVs were beastly with Cycled Missile Launchers.
I miss those turrets. |
Joel II X
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3688
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Posted - 2014.09.30 00:28:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:The only reason I stay away from LAVs now is that the amount of blueberries that take my **** is getting too damn high.
I can't deal with it anymore. It's gotten to the point where I'll get blueberries on my vehicle just to drive them in the redline to spite them. it's fun to troll them when they shoot at you for a ride and you move 50m forward every time they almost catch up.a lav will suck without enough SP into vehicle upgrades.. like the poster said above it requires heavy teamwork to pull off. it will fail if your depending on working the turret solo. the driver has to be aware of incoming fire and make smart decisions for his gunner. as soon as your gunner kills someone you get moving again until next target.if you stay parked too long your gunner will die. no one wants to see the return of lav spam any kind of buff could cause the return of. one needs to invest the SP if they want to expect anything good from lav.
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:23:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:
a lav will suck without enough SP into vehicle upgrades.. like the poster said above it requires heavy teamwork to pull off. it will fail if your depending on working the turret solo. the driver has to be aware of incoming fire and make smart decisions for his gunner. as soon as your gunner kills someone you get moving again until next target.if you stay parked too long your gunner will die. no one wants to see the return of lav spam any kind of buff could cause the return of. one needs to invest the SP if they want to expect anything good from lav.
Why does it have to suck?Militia Tanks don't suck and every newbie can use them without much effort.The LAV is not that bad but it is heavily affected by terrain.Seriously,I have had to flip my LAV alot of times because I crashed to escape a basic swarm launcher.The LAV has very defined routes and it gets alot of risk in small maps.The LAV shouldn't be inferiour,it should be in line with other vehicles.The speed isn't enough of an advantage,a tank with a fuel injector has all the benefits of an LAV and it has alot of eHP and Damage.
Why can't I strafe?
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:26:00 -
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New changes to the Scrambler and Bolt Pistol (And lesser extent Sniper Rifles) have made LAV Gunning a near-death-sentence even in a Sent Fatsuit.
Granted, in a two-man team with a dedicated driver and gunner it becomes substantially easier if both are corp mates communicating, but solo-work is just not worth it with every dingleberry trying to steal the LAV.
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:30:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:New changes to the Scrambler and Bolt Pistol (And lesser extent Sniper Rifles) have made LAV Gunning a near-death-sentence even in a Sent Fatsuit.
Yes.I think that the LAV should have like a protective bullet proof shield shield protecting the driver.It should low HP tough and low regen to prevent militia fat suits from walking around running people over thinking that they aren't in danger.
Why can't I strafe?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:34:00 -
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Freinchutz Sniper wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:New changes to the Scrambler and Bolt Pistol (And lesser extent Sniper Rifles) have made LAV Gunning a near-death-sentence even in a Sent Fatsuit.
Yes.I think that the LAV should have like a protective bullet proof shield shield protecting the driver.It should low HP tough and low regen to prevent militia fat suits from walking around running people over thinking that they aren't in danger.
That and a lock
Dear god I need a lock so bad
I hate blueberries so much
Something's wrong when you regret
Things that haven't happened yet
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:36:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Freinchutz Sniper wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:New changes to the Scrambler and Bolt Pistol (And lesser extent Sniper Rifles) have made LAV Gunning a near-death-sentence even in a Sent Fatsuit.
Yes.I think that the LAV should have like a protective bullet proof shield shield protecting the driver.It should low HP tough and low regen to prevent militia fat suits from walking around running people over thinking that they aren't in danger. That and a lock Dear god I need a lock so bad I hate blueberries so much
I know that feeling bro.I leave my LAV for a second and when I get back some scrub had already stole it.Sometimes I feel like they are just trolling me because they drive the car to the enemy lines then run away.
Why can't I strafe?
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Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:56:00 -
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CCP should make assault LAV's which instead of having a gunner they had a pilot controled turret.
Why can't I strafe?
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Leadfoot10
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1591
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:03:00 -
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Has the OP tried the small blaster? Talk about a clone-shredding machine. |
Freinchutz Sniper
Blood Garden Nation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:06:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Has the OP tried the small blaster? Talk about a clone-shredding machine.
Yes,I did.Sentinels can burn me down pretty easily.
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