DUST Search - Bolt pistols

ARBIT3RR FLUX wrote:

I am making this thread to bring attention to the changes that have been made to pistols (Specifically the bolt pistol) in hotfix delta. There was a reoccurring theme in all 23 of the games I played tonight being that in every game at least 2 people were in the kill feed with the bolt pistol, so I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about.

I loaded into my 24th match of the night with a militia bolt pistol on my Assault MK.0 and a couple of Allotek nanohives, and as soon as I started using it I saw why everyone else was too. After plowing through heavy suit after heavy suit in 3-4 shots each to make my way to the objective I found myself surrounded by scouts. No problem though, I killed all of them with one shot each. The sad thing is, they were all using bolt pistols too, taking most of my shields in one shot.

It's 2 shots for most medium suits and 3-4 for tanked heavies, especially if you aim for the head. The sad thing is I wasn't the only one doing this, I saw at least 3 other people doing the same thing in the battle and if you are in a conventional suit using a rifle chances are you're going to lose your firefight against even a militia bolt pistol.

After this I thought, ok, if the bolt pistol is this OP in public matches it has to be a monster in battle academy. Sure enough i create a new clone and go in with a militia bolt pistol 2 shotting and in some cases 1 shotting enemies from out at 50 meters.... Shocked

what? With this said I'd like to see CCP take a closer look at the changes that they have made to this weapon and maybe transfer some of the crazy DPS to something that could use it, like the Ion pistol.

This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.

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ARBIT3RR FLUX G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.09.27 09:30:00 - [1] - Quote I am making this thread to bring attention to the changes that have been made to pistols (Specifically the bolt pistol) in hotfix delta. There was a reoccurring theme in all 23 of the games I played tonight being that in every game at least 2 people were in the kill feed with the bolt pistol, so I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about. I loaded into my 24th match of the night with a militia bolt pistol on my Assault MK.0 and a couple of Allotek nanohives, and as soon as I started using it I saw why everyone else was too. After plowing through heavy suit after heavy suit in 3-4 shots each to make my way to the objective I found myself surrounded by scouts. No problem though, I killed all of them with one shot each. The sad thing is, they were all using bolt pistols too, taking most of my shields in one shot. It's 2 shots for most medium suits and 3-4 for tanked heavies, especially if you aim for the head. The sad thing is I wasn't the only one doing this, I saw at least 3 other people doing the same thing in the battle and if you are in a conventional suit using a rifle chances are you're going to lose your firefight against even a militia bolt pistol. After this I thought, ok, if the bolt pistol is this OP in public matches it has to be a monster in battle academy. Sure enough i create a new clone and go in with a militia bolt pistol 2 shotting and in some cases 1 shotting enemies from out at 50 meters.... what? With this said I'd like to see CCP take a closer look at the changes that they have made to this weapon and maybe transfer some of the crazy DPS to something that could use it, like the Ion pistol.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 265	Posted - 2014.09.27 10:00:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah i've seen you pull that out on me a couple times i think. I was running a MK.0 Full proto with over 800+ ehp I was 2-3 shotted by that thing....OH MAN! I was RAGING like an upset baby when that happened not once but 3 times in that match. Your a good player but at that moment i was calling you the biggest FoTM/Scrub/Crutch User..I've ever seen. but hey, I got some 'fan' mail from my adventures with the Flaylock and its not even in the same league as the BP LOL! Yeah, bolt pistols need to be toned down a bit. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Ashelia Ravenhart highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 1	Posted - 2014.09.27 10:43:00 - [3] - Quote Hipster Ashe was using the bolt pistol before it was cool... Oddly enough I'm actually not getting killed by them very often at all, but on my caldari assault, with it's reload speed, using it feels pretty cruel. Especially against scouts. But I've received so many shotguns blasts up the crack in the last few months, that I think we're even... almost.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2869	Posted - 2014.09.27 11:23:00 - [4] - Quote While i agree it should be toned down a little, people must change their minds and think to sidearms as proper weapons and not just finishers. In every other FPS sidearms are comparable to primary weapons, people can kill with them just like the primary weapons. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Jebus McKing Legio DXIV 689	Posted - 2014.09.27 11:27:00 - [5] - Quote I think the biggest cause of QQ right now is that people just don't expect this pistol to deal any damage. It has been a joke weapon since it got released and almost nobody used it. So, learn about what this thing can do, learn about its downsides, and don't just expect to tank those shots and survive. Also the BoP is getting a slight fire interval nerf really soon. But don't expect this nerf to make it useless again, it will still hit very hard. You have to post numbers and math to be taken seriously. // @JebusMcKing
Overpowered Bolt Pistol Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.27 11:32:00 - [6] - Quote The mighty one.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 52	Posted - 2014.09.27 11:39:00 - [7] - Quote IMO I still hate using the gun because all I get is bad hit detection with it
Zindorak 1.U.P 996	Posted - 2014.09.27 12:05:00 - [8] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: IMO I still hate using the gun because all I get is bad hit detection with it Try aiming properly Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3239	Posted - 2014.09.27 12:07:00 - [9] - Quote Don't hip fire it.
Atiim 12548	Posted - 2014.09.27 13:17:00 - [10] - Quote My experience with the Bolt Pistol: It's a mid-range, high-alpha weapon. In CQC, it only works against players who are either cloaked (as they can't retaliate), or players who are simply terrible at strafing, though to it's credit the spool gives it just enough time land each shot if you can predict their movement path. It's stopping power however, is incredible. Any low eHP fitting or Scout dies in 2 hits (1 if it's a headshot). Though getting a headshot is not relatively easy (without AA, of course). Against high eHP fittings however, you'll need to get them by surprise or land consecutive head-shots. As for ease of use, it's hard to get the hang off it at first, especially if you're not used to having to spool a pistol, or having one that's full-auto. But when do have a good feel for it, it's difficultly is moderate. You have to land every shot (or only miss one) for a kill, which isn't the case for any other Pistol beyond the Flaylock. Effective counters, include jump-strafing at the same time the BP fires, guaranteeing a miss if done properly, along with stacking Shield Extenders. It's TTK is noticeably low compared to the other Pistols, but it's still higher compared to Light Weapons, specifically CRs & SCRs. As for what I have to say, I could see why people think it's overpowered but as long as you're using Shields and someone doesn't get a head-shot, you'll be fine. But from an objective stand-point, it is indeed imbalanced (that, I won't lie). That aside, I would actually recommend that HMG Sentinels use BPs. Bolt Pistol Operation I* 2x Complex Sidearm Damage Modifiers* The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 573	Posted - 2014.09.27 13:45:00 - [11] - Quote I'm looking forward to playing hotfix delta for the first time later today. So happy I skilled into the Bolt pistol when it was first released. Everyone laughed it out of the room, but it's day in the sun has finally arrived. Even if it is short-lived. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3242	Posted - 2014.09.27 13:54:00 - [12] - Quote sabre prime wrote: I'm looking forward to playing hotfix delta for the first time later today. So happy I skilled into the Bolt pistol when it was first released. Everyone laughed it out of the room, but it's day in the sun has finally arrived. Even if it is short-lived. Expect it to remain heavy alpha. The charge time and slow (soon to be slightly slower) fire rate justifies the big hits. I like the fact that sidearms are being made deadly weapons in their own right instead of being inferior substitutes used when you run dry on your main weapon. Don't get cocky with the bolt though. I've died more than I hve killed with it. Shooting blueberries in the side of the head for the funzies really doesn't count as combat kills no matter how much it makes me giggle.
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.09.27 14:02:00 - [13] - Quote i just want to dual scp in peace but nooo i have to deal with all of these ***** scouts with rifles and bolt pistols. hummmph
Zindorak 1.U.P 1000	Posted - 2014.09.27 14:04:00 - [14] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: i just want to dual scp in peace but nooo i have to deal with all of these ***** scouts with rifles and bolt pistols. hummmph yea poor scp Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
castba Merc-0107 599	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:20:00 - [15] - Quote Was just in a 'Bush which had a squad of Nyain San running pro calassault with either adv or pro bolt pistols. I believe that is the test passed for an OP weapon. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 670	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:35:00 - [16] - Quote From what I've heard they are going to tweak the Bolt Pistol again based on recent data coming from the new Delta hotfix. IMO it is a little too powerful at the moment. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote ARBIT3RR FLUX wrote: I am making this thread to bring attention to the changes that have been made to pistols (Specifically the bolt pistol) in hotfix delta. There was a reoccurring theme in all 23 of the games I played tonight being that in every game at least 2 people were in the kill feed with the bolt pistol, so I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about. I loaded into my 24th match of the night with a militia bolt pistol on my Assault MK.0 and a couple of Allotek nanohives, and as soon as I started using it I saw why everyone else was too. After plowing through heavy suit after heavy suit in 3-4 shots each to make my way to the objective I found myself surrounded by scouts. No problem though, I killed all of them with one shot each. The sad thing is, they were all using bolt pistols too, taking most of my shields in one shot. It's 2 shots for most medium suits and 3-4 for tanked heavies, especially if you aim for the head. The sad thing is I wasn't the only one doing this, I saw at least 3 other people doing the same thing in the battle and if you are in a conventional suit using a rifle chances are you're going to lose your firefight against even a militia bolt pistol. After this I thought, ok, if the bolt pistol is this OP in public matches it has to be a monster in battle academy. Sure enough i create a new clone and go in with a militia bolt pistol 2 shotting and in some cases 1 shotting enemies from out at 50 meters.... what? With this said I'd like to see CCP take a closer look at the changes that they have made to this weapon and maybe transfer some of the crazy DPS to something that could use it, like the Ion pistol. Bolt Pistol user here prof 5, alt name, Infinite Diversity IDIC, I say yes it is too much, turn it down a notch. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1443	Posted - 2014.10.04 07:55:00 - [18] - Quote OP! This game isn't fun anymore! Going back to Destiny! Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3566	Posted - 2014.10.04 08:15:00 - [19] - Quote The bolt pistol has always been a good weapon. If any of you have come across my Scout gk.0 prior to hotfix delta, you'd know that you were either going to get blapped in the face from a creodron shotgun at 5 meters or sniped in the head from my kaalakiota bp at 40+ meters. The weapon didn't need any buffs. I'm sad it got better...
The Master Race Immortal Guides 62	Posted - 2014.10.04 08:30:00 - [20] - Quote What gets me is there are so many worthless weapons and they buff the crap out of the bolt pistol I mean they had to know.. so who wasn't doing there job? New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.

Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1004	Posted - 2014.10.04 08:52:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: With this said I'd like to see CCP take a closer look at the changes that they have made to this weapon and maybe transfer some of the crazy DPS to something that could use it, like the Ion pistol. The Scrambler Pistol actually needs the damage more, not the Breach, mind you, just the other variants. The Ion Pistol is actually a more balanced weapon at this point because of the bonuses to shields versus armor. While the ScP will shred a shield suit faster, it's almost useless against armor based suits, actually doing comparable and even less damage than the IP. That -20% versus armor along with the nerfs they gave the weapon just killed it in most cases. It is kinda funny how the weapon can compare to a shotgun now, but I think it's more so because the other pistols and sidearms are just so bad, especially at militia level. No one wants to use anything else now that they've got something that can one shot the average suit. I'd rather see the other options toned up a bit to even the score, rather than just risking nerfing the weapon into the dirt. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 62	Posted - 2014.10.04 09:10:00 - [22] - Quote lol you are kidding? the ion pistol has a 10 foot range and no accuracy while the scrp has a higher headshot multiplier, crazy range, and amazing accuracy. Now if your talking scout (which I have a strong feeling that you primary scout) then the weapons are comparable because in scout land range doesn't matter and you have prey not opponents. Sorry to sound like a ****, but the rest of us have to worry about balance lol. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 88	Posted - 2014.10.04 09:16:00 - [23] - Quote The Breach ScP is the only useful ScP among all others. It's not that it's too powerful compared to others, it's just that others are too weak compared to it. Sorry for my bad english ^^


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