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Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 697	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:23:00 - [1] - Quote It would really be nice to see all the CPM members views on the ADS issue. So far I have only seen Soraya whine about it and no other input from a CPM. All I'm asking of you is to do the job your peers elected you to do. Thread can be found here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176083&find=unread
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 36	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote They just need to fix the rof bugs, increase python shields and increase delay, and ads are good Atleast i wont die in 3 shots, fired within a sec
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:27:00 - [3] - Quote I didn't whine about it. I supported the changes. :) I will nudge the other CPM members though. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3175	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote Read my thread. Cross Atu observed ADS TTK test: Incubus Blaster fit Here
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16706	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:31:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think a single platform should ever allowed to be equivalently weighted to multiple teams performance wise. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2911	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:34:00 - [6] - Quote My views are in process as I am currently observing ongoing testing here. Based on numbers prior to Delta changes were warranted, whether the Delta changes were too much or too little will be ascertained via testing and in game data gathering and adjustments will be advocated for and made as warranted. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 698	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote Thanks for the responses, 4 more to go and some more in-depth opinions hopefully. I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. As I've said in the other thread; I want a challenge, not AV EZmode. These ADS stand no chance with their pitiful ROF.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote Dust User wrote: I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. Because you don't seem to understand that dropships should die. It's not about keeping them from doing their job, it's about being able to kill them. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2911	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:48:00 - [9] - Quote Dust User wrote: Thanks for the responses, 4 more to go and some more in-depth opinions hopefully. I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. As I've said in the other thread; I want a challenge, not AV EZmode. These ADS stand no chance with their pitiful ROF. Judge is unlikely to comment any time soon as he is unfortunately on an extended "afk" due to unavoidable IRL circumstances. Also it is worth noting that, as has been said before, the CPM (and CCP as well for that matter) read far more threads than we comment in. I myself for example try to keep my posting to a minimum unless I have something specific to say. Hence why I have said so little on this subject thus far (until a comment was requested) because for me the jury is still out. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2141	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:49:00 - [10] - Quote Dust User wrote: Thanks for the responses, 4 more to go and some more in-depth opinions hopefully. I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. As I've said in the other thread; I want a challenge, not AV EZmode. These ADS stand no chance with their pitiful ROF. ^This guy gets it. Dust was real! I was there!

Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 698	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:52:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Dust User wrote: I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. Because you don't seem to understand that dropships should die. It's not about keeping them from doing their job, it's about being able to kill them. I kill them plenty, ask Derrith.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16706	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:54:00 - [12] - Quote Dust User wrote: Thanks for the responses, 4 more to go and some more in-depth opinions hopefully. I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. As I've said in the other thread; I want a challenge, not AV EZmode. These ADS stand no chance with their pitiful ROF. Justification would mean the price tag of the ADS should be near the roof to compensate for normal loss of isk in normal amounts of game play and making a single ADS much more expensive than a battalion of protofitted HAVs While CPM does preach about never balancing around isk costs remains true because isk costs should only be factored on one thing and one thing alone which is Life expectancy. Combine with the terrible fact I am not the best player; and yet I too can get to the average lifespan performance of the ADS is a very clear indicator on how much skill you really don't need to justify the price and if I am amongst the bottom tier of folks imagine what the top tier folks are doing. Or simply better put. the pre-delta ADS was NOT designed for a 16 vs 16 game, its performance was much more suited to a game that let you consistently pit 248 players together. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 1701	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:55:00 - [13] - Quote I support the changes. They were required and necessary. That's not to say we'll not be monitoring them and looking to see if they need adjusting, we will be. But there were some troubling metrics from ADS that needed to be addressed in some manner. Balancing by ISK is never a good idea and would've made the ADS prohibitory expensive to all but corp funded pilots. Not a good idea, I'm sure you'll all agree. Delta was a huge Hotfix and we are monitoring all of the changes made. If adjustments need making, we'll push for them. But right now, a day after the fix was deployed, is not nearly long enough for us get updated metrics. Once we get clear information from how the changes effected all the aspects of the game that Delta touched on and please remember, a lot more than just ADS got changed, then the issue will be looked at. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2718	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:56:00 - [14] - Quote Dust User wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Dust User wrote: I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. Because you don't seem to understand that dropships should die. It's not about keeping them from doing their job, it's about being able to kill them. I kill them plenty, ask Derrith. Yeah, well screw you too buddy. hugs The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
hfderrtgvcd 539	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:59:00 - [15] - Quote Dust User wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Dust User wrote: I don't get why everyone thinks you need multiple mercs to take care of 1 ADS. Pre-Delta I could go 1v1 with any ADS pilot in this game and keep them from doing their job. Your run of the mill pub ADS pilot I could 2v1 no problem. Because you don't seem to understand that dropships should die. It's not about keeping them from doing their job, it's about being able to kill them. I kill them plenty, ask Derrith. yes, but you're one of the best forge gunners in the game. You also use the best build in the game, a caldari sentinel. The game should be balanced for all, not just the uber 1337. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 1701	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:13:00 - [16] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: yes, butc you're one of the best forge gunners in the game. You also use the best build in the game, a caldari sentinel. The game should be balanced for all, not just the uber 1337. This is the mantra that we used for Delta and for the following Hotfixes to come. Balanced for all. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 703	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:25:00 - [17] - Quote I will admit I may be a little biased as I only play PC and we all know the difference between PC and pubs. I just don't want PC to get less exciting because some people in pubs died. Thanks for that hug D, this chub's for you.
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:31:00 - [18] - Quote Dust User wrote: I will admit I may be a little biased as I only play PC and we all know the difference between PC and pubs. I just don't want PC to get less exciting because some people in pubs died. Thanks for that hug D, this chub's for you. It is really tough to engage A/V. I am always finding myself flying off after 1 shot 2 if I am lucky at the A/V. Even in a pub match or PC it's no fun if both are not able to interact. I don't die and nor does the A/V user. As it is I end up just flying off to another zone on the map until the A/V is killed, or decides to do something else. It's great to see an actual A/V player understanding that Assault dropships want to fight back. Thus far I have only seen Saraya and his club members posting on any and everything dropships without even reading what the subject is about. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos


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