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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:49:00 -
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Um.. 18 is now officially Not enough! 
"Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
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Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
70
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:09:00 -
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Indeed. My maniacal laughter as I slay crowds is usually cut by the clicking my gun does after 3 seconds. Though, maybe this is a good thing. The TAC should definitely have some sort of downsides, lest it be beat into obscurity again. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1846
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:23:00 -
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18 seems to be enough for me. Perhaps you need to aim the weapon.
Now with more evil.
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
1929
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:10:00 -
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Least you dont have to deal with over heat mechanics
Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3125
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:30:00 -
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Commander Noctus wrote:Indeed. My maniacal laughter as I slay crowds is usually cut by the clicking my gun does after 3 seconds. Though, maybe this is a good thing. The TAC should definitely have some sort of downsides, lest it be beat into obscurity again.
Still socks compared to a scr
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Jebus McKing
Legio DXIV
685
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:38:00 -
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The limited range, awful ACOG sight, and amount of kick while ADS firing still keep me from using the TacAR.
It is now less awful than it was but still not on par with the rest of the rifles. At least everytime I use it I have the feeling one of the other rifles would be more suitable for the job.
range > dps
You have to post numbers and math to be taken seriously. // @JebusMcKing
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Mejt0
The Only Survivor.
469
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:53:00 -
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Tac AR is now in better position.
It does even beat ScR in dps (Same dmg,rof but better profiles). While aiming it have 0 kick.
And 18 is egnougt.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1850
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Posted - 2014.09.26 04:05:00 -
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Some of these comments make me wonder:
Are you guys who are poo-pooing the TAR using it on a Gal Assault or on another sult?
I have been using it on the Gal Assault and I have almost 0 dispersion or recoil. Heck, I can even rock people at close range with it hip firing. I could see it being much worse without the dispersion bonuses.
Now with more evil.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5230
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Posted - 2014.09.26 04:17:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Commander Noctus wrote:Indeed. My maniacal laughter as I slay crowds is usually cut by the clicking my gun does after 3 seconds. Though, maybe this is a good thing. The TAC should definitely have some sort of downsides, lest it be beat into obscurity again. Still socks compared to a scr
Agreed.
The TAR is noticeably better, but the ScR still feels superior in every way.
(Prof IV in both)
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
587
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:33:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Some of these comments make me wonder:
Are you guys who are poo-pooing the TAR using it on a Gal Assault or on another sult?
I have been using it on the Gal Assault and I have almost 0 dispersion or recoil. Heck, I can even rock people at close range with it hip firing. I could see it being much worse without the dispersion bonuses.
That's what I was wondering. Is it working well or just not getting you killed when hipfiring at close-ish range?
I don't have Gallente assault and the TAR seems like a lot of fun, but I think that bonus would make all the difference for hip firing.
I see the CR as kind of a better option....but not sure. It has 600m less effective but it blaps at close range with minimal dispersion. It has great range and a good scope, but the kick is really randomly popping off in every direction, especially laterally. That can make it tough to keep the crosshairs on guys at range, because you need to rapid fire it to finish fools.
The TAR on the other hand, even without Gal Assault skills taps guys at range with powerful alpha and, because you don't need to fire so fast, you can keep the kick down and just tac-tac-tac-tac-they're down. It's a very smooth, calm gun. Gotta be patient, steady, make every shot count, don't fire too fast and give yourself unnecessary recoil. With 25% bonus to kick and dispersion....you could really get in a zone I think. Tempted to drop some MCC SP on Gal Assault.
Not to mention, I imagine speccing into Gal Assault turns the breach AR into just a LAY DOWN! death drill in its effective.
On the other hand, same can be said about the ACR close up now too: BDDDDTTTDDTT GO TO SLEEP! BDDDDDDTTT YOU TOO BDDTTT AND YOU BDDDTDDDDTTT GET SOME!!!! I was layin fools down with it tonight.
That's the thing: the BAR does the ACR's CQC job better than it with the GA bonus, and the TAR does the CR's down scope job better than it with the bonus, but they seem like they start to slide quick out of their comfort zone, whereas ACR and CR can handle whatever situation comes their way (though ACR is feeling like no-range AR with less kick now) a little more fluidly.
I need to play with the AR variants a bit more. That bonus is annoying cuz I really can't know how big a difference it would make without burning the SP. |
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7638
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:41:00 -
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It's great at range, but the sad thing is, once you get in that range where the ACOG sight doesn't actually hinder your aim you're doing less damage because the "operational" range of the ACOG sight far exceeds the optimal range of the weapon.
I didn't think the Duvolle Tactical needed anything besides a range buff, that's all I wanted for the Tactical Assault Rifle.
Something's wrong when you regret
Things that haven't happened yet
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1323
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Posted - 2014.09.26 07:12:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Not to mention, I imagine speccing into Gal Assault turns the breach AR into just a LAY DOWN! death drill in its effective.
I was playing with this earlier, CreoDron Breach on an ADV Gal Assault. It tears bloody holes in ****, including heavies with gun game worse than mine, but the ROF causes me to either get a bunch of kill assists as bluedots with full auto weapons capitalize on the damage I'm doing or I die because my target's weapon is full auto and they just edge me out on damage.
I run one Enh plate with the rest of my lows Enh reppers, though, and my armor skills aren't maxed out. Maybe I'd win those fights through attrition if I had just that little bit more eHP.
Worth noting, the match I tested the CreoDron Breach AR in was a Dom match vs. a proto stomp. I had 9 kills before I lost my 5 Breach ARs and switched to frontline. (Sucks being poor  )
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
588
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Posted - 2014.09.26 07:50:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:It's great at range, but the sad thing is, once you get in that range where the ACOG sight doesn't actually hinder your aim you're doing less damage because the "operational" range of the ACOG sight far exceeds the optimal range of the weapon.
I didn't think the Duvolle Tactical needed anything besides a range buff, that's all I wanted for the Tactical Assault Rifle.
Seems like kind of a quick scope weapon. It's best in close enough range that you can't just stay in scope. Track your guy...quick scope alpha...track him...quick scope alpha. |
zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
588
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Posted - 2014.09.26 07:53:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Not to mention, I imagine speccing into Gal Assault turns the breach AR into just a LAY DOWN! death drill in its effective. I was playing with this earlier, CreoDron Breach on an ADV Gal Assault. It tears bloody holes in ****, including heavies with gun game worse than mine, but the ROF causes me to either get a bunch of kill assists as bluedots with full auto weapons capitalize on the damage I'm doing or I die because my target's weapon is full auto and they just edge me out on damage. I run one Enh plate with the rest of my lows Enh reppers, though, and my armor skills aren't maxed out. Maybe I'd win those fights through attrition if I had just that little bit more eHP. Worth noting, the match I tested the CreoDron Breach AR in was a Dom match vs. a proto stomp. I had 9 kills before I lost my 5 Breach ARs and switched to frontline. (Sucks being poor )
Very familiar with that from using the laser. I think it could work both ways. You could take that whole last chunk of HP and beat someone to the kill. Like rail rifles do to me all day. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1773
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:36:00 -
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I feel that it only needs just a few more rounds. I would even say the magic number of 20 rounds would be spot on. 20 rounds is just right for weapons of this nature. You find similar weapons in many other games. Those extra 2 shots would make it spot on in my opinion.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
115
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:54:00 -
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Honestly, I feel 24-26 would be much mo betta. Yes, I aim. Yes, SR overheats. (that's why you get the stupid large clip I guess...)
V op V sharp IV pro. Still doesn't feel like a single shot rifle. Needs more dakka! 
"Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
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Jebus McKing
Legio DXIV
688
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:55:00 -
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Slightly increasing clipsize sounds like a reasonable improvement.
I'd really like to hear what the data says.
RATTATI! I SUMMON THEE!
You have to post numbers and math to be taken seriously. // @JebusMcKing
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