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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.25 01:46:00 -
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After playing in more than a few matches with my ADS, I have, at the request of Rattati, made a thread to properly balance ADS versus AV.
The current issues are as follows:
ROF currently useless on both Python and Incubus, reasons below:
The increase to ROF on the incubus also means an increase to heat build (credit for this discovery goes to Kallas, take a bow my good man), resulting in only 7 shots before they overheat.
The previous was 12 before overheat, but with only 7 shots before overheat it makes the AV side of the rail nearly impossible against other ADS.
Solution: Either give it the old heat build up back, or increase the cooldown (unsure of numbers, if this is the way to go).
Next issue for incubus: the ROF for the rail is pretty much negligible on the incubus, they're almost no threat to my python, let alone the incubus.
Solution: To avoid the overly fast ROF that was previous charlie, but to still keep it a threat, I'd like to propose returning it, and the ROF of the python to 7% per level. Should it prove too much, I believe the ROF shouldn't remain a problem if it stays in the ballpark of 5-7%.
Next issue: swarms (IMO) still have great homing. Ducking behind a building does nearly nothing, one missile will hit the building maybe 45% of the time (admitted, random number), 2 if I'm lucky. Like to reduce homing by maybe 5, would like to see.
ABs: I will admit, the nerf was not as bad as I thought it'd be, but it still got a little weird to get used to. I'd like to buff the recharge, but anything more than 5 seconds I believe would be too much.
if I've missed anything please inform me, and I do apologize it took so long for me to make thread, but I had a PC to do for FA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As always, let's try to keep this constructive.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< just a friendly reminder.
The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1297
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Posted - 2014.09.25 01:54:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:After playing in more than a few matches with my ADS, I have, at the request of Rattati, made a thread to properly balance ADS versus AV.
The current issues are as follows:
ROF currently useless on both Python and Incubus, reasons below:
The increase to ROF on the incubus also means an increase to heat build (credit for this discovery goes to Kallas, take a bow my good man), resulting in only 7 shots before they overheat.
The previous was 12 before overheat, but with only 7 shots before overheat it makes the AV side of the rail nearly impossible against other ADS.
I can kinda sympathize with the rail issue of 5 less shots before overheat, but in general the ROF problem I have no sympathy for. I can't imagine they were ever intended to fire railguns and missile launchers "full auto" to begin with. It was insane, and splash damage only made it that much worse.
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1589
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:04:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:After playing in more than a few matches with my ADS, I have, at the request of Rattati, made a thread to properly balance ADS versus AV.
The current issues are as follows:
ROF currently useless on both Python and Incubus, reasons below:
The increase to ROF on the incubus also means an increase to heat build (credit for this discovery goes to Kallas, take a bow my good man), resulting in only 7 shots before they overheat.
The previous was 12 before overheat, but with only 7 shots before overheat it makes the AV side of the rail nearly impossible against other ADS. I can kinda sympathize with the rail issue of 5 less shots before overheat, but in general the ROF problem I have no sympathy for. I can't imagine they were ever intended to fire railguns and missile launchers "full auto" to begin with. It was insane, and splash damage only made it that much worse.
Rails had Splash, but no Splash damage. Just a note.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
822
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:20:00 -
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On the small railgun, this is an issue with the Incubus skill applying incorrectly and will, hopefully, be remedied ASAP.
Railgun ROF is 92; or 1.53 shots per second; 8 shots and overheats in 5.2 seconds; 668 DPS
Incubus 5 ROF is 105.8; or 1.808 shots per second; 9 shots and overheats in 4.98 seconds; 781.9 DPS
That actually doesn't look that bad, but something is wrong with how its actually playing: were only getting 7 shots.
Fiddling with some numbers I think that the small railguns are firing correctly, but the Incubus skill is applying incorrectly. It appears that the Incubus skill is applying inversely: the fire interval is 0.65 (60++0.65=92.3, the correct ROF as per patch notes) and with a 15% increase to ROF it should be firing at 0.5525 which is 0.65+ù0.85=0.5525 but is actually firing at 0.7475 which is the result of 0.65+ù1.15=0.7475 which would actually be a decrease in ROF.
With 0.5525 (ROF 108.5) we'd have 1.808 shots per second; 9 shots in 4.98 seconds; 781.9 DPS, which would be decent
What we currently have is 0.7475 (ROF 80.3) or 1.34 shots per second; 7 shots in 5.2 seconds; 607.8 DPS.
TL;DR:
Incubus ROF is bugged and applying at a 1.15 ratio instead of a 0.85, meaning the Incubus's railgun is firing slower than the regular railgun
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1304
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:26:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Rails had Splash, but no Splash damage. Just a note.
Aye, I was only referring to the missiles with that last bit. I should have been more clear o7
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5201
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:27:00 -
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Let me know if there are any specific swarm-based scenarios you need tested. I'd be glad to run errands and take notes for you or Kallas. o7
- Pro(5) Swarmer
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
822
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Let me know if there are any specific swarm-based scenarios you need tested. I'd be glad to run errands and take notes for you or Kallas. o7
- Pro(5) Swarmer
Cool beans, may have to take you up on that: I'd really like to test the limits of swarm turning radius/speed. Should be free some time over the weekend: fire me a mail (either Kallas or, preferably, my main and ADS pilot Halla Murr) and we can sort out how to test it :)
o7
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:48:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Let me know if there are any specific swarm-based scenarios you need tested. I'd be glad to run errands and take notes for you or Kallas. o7
- Pro(5) Swarmer Cool beans, may have to take you up on that: I'd really like to test the limits of swarm turning radius/speed. Should be free some time over the weekend: fire me a mail (either Kallas or, preferably, my main and ADS pilot Halla Murr) and we can sort out how to test it :) o7
I'd like to be a part of that as well, if you guys don't mind.
The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
822
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:15:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Let me know if there are any specific swarm-based scenarios you need tested. I'd be glad to run errands and take notes for you or Kallas. o7
- Pro(5) Swarmer Cool beans, may have to take you up on that: I'd really like to test the limits of swarm turning radius/speed. Should be free some time over the weekend: fire me a mail (either Kallas or, preferably, my main and ADS pilot Halla Murr) and we can sort out how to test it :) o7 I'd like to be a part of that as well, if you guys don't mind.
I'm good for that. A third set of eyes is never a bad thing too! Will fire you and Adipem an in game mail tomorrow.
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3139
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Posted - 2014.09.25 06:52:00 -
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Came in expecting qq.
Found interesting analysis.
Please continue building on info.
How is the blater on the Incubus vs infantry? |
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5206
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:45:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Let me know if there are any specific swarm-based scenarios you need tested. I'd be glad to run errands and take notes for you or Kallas. o7
- Pro(5) Swarmer Cool beans, may have to take you up on that: I'd really like to test the limits of swarm turning radius/speed. Should be free some time over the weekend: fire me a mail (either Kallas or, preferably, my main and ADS pilot Halla Murr) and we can sort out how to test it :) o7 I'd like to be a part of that as well, if you guys don't mind. I'm good for that. A third set of eyes is never a bad thing too! Will fire you and Adipem an in game mail tomorrow.
Sent both of you mail from my main. Available at your convenience (CST time zone).
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2708
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:59:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Came in expecting qq.
Found interesting analysis.
Please continue building on info.
How is the blater on the Incubus vs infantry?
I am honestly unsure of that, I'll look into it, but if it is anything like the large blaster, not very good.
Again, I'll look into it.
The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
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