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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.24 23:00:00 -
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@ CCP Rattati Please take a look at round number, correct me if I were wrong.
Fitting Optimization (5% reduction to PG usage per level) 6x (1,865,520 SP to max) (requires Proficiency 4)
Proto knife PG: 7
Skill modifier PG: -0.35 at lv1, -0.70 at lv2, -1.05 at lv3, -1.40 at lv4, -1.75 at lv5
Actual PG reduce: -0 at lv1, -0 at lv2, -1 at lv3, -1 at lv4, -1 at lv5
What is a reason to train this skill above lv3?
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.25 00:20:00 -
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Excellent math.
I will take this into consideration when skilling up now.
Edit: Unless it rounds to the nearest which would make Lvl 5 minus 2.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.25 00:27:00 -
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I dont think this skill is worth it for half the weapons. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.09.25 00:32:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Excellent math.
I will take this into consideration when skilling up now.
Edit: Unless it rounds to the nearest which would make Lvl 5 minus 2.
Last time I checked the math, it dropped 1 PG at Level 3 and another at Level 5.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:08:00 -
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At least according to Protifits Level 5 does save you 2 PG on Proto Knives. Grain of salt though.
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:13:00 -
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I hope you guys are ready for my nova knife cal sent ... when you least expect it. MWAWAWAWhahahah....
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:20:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Excellent math.
I will take this into consideration when skilling up now.
Edit: Unless it rounds to the nearest which would make Lvl 5 minus 2. Last time I checked the math, it dropped another PG at Level 5. Doublechecking ... Bsc - 2.0, 1.9, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6, 1.5 Adv - 4.0, 3.8, 3.6, 3.4, 3.2, 3.0 Pro - 7.0, 6.7, 6.3, 5.9, 5.6, 5.3 Basic ... optimization saves 0 PG. Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5.
You r right, but only if the knife stand alone. I just realize that they add PG from every module together before round the number. So when we add some module on top such as cloak or rifle which has PG reduce bonus, it will be like this
Pro knife - 7.0, 6.7, 6.3, 5.9, 5.6, 5.3 Adv Cloak - 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3 (scout lv5) Total PG - 19.3, 19.0, 18.6, 18.2, 17.9, 17.6 Round PG - 19.0, 19.0, 19.0, 18.0, 18.0, 18.0
In practical, it's imposible to get 2PG reduce even you train it to level 5
FYI:I will go edit my previous post after this.
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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2k2y
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.25 23:04:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:EDIT:
Before you train this skill, please read this.
Fitting Optimization (5% reduction to PG usage per level) 6x (1,865,520 SP to max) (requires Proficiency 4)
The suit will add PG from every module together before round the number. So when we add some module on top such as cloak or rifle which has PG reduce bonus, it will be like this
Pro Knife - 7.0, 6.7, 6.3, 5.9, 5.6, 5.3
Adv Cloak - 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3, 12.3 (scout lv5)
Total PG - 19.3, 19.0, 18.6, 18.2, 17.9, 17.6
Actual PG - 19, 19, 19, 18, 18, 18 (After round number)
In practical, it's imposible to get 2PG reduce even you train it to level 5 I am not a nova knife user but I think you should repost this thread in general discussion (if you have not already done so) so that more people can see it.
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jace silencerww
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Excellent math.
I will take this into consideration when skilling up now.
Edit: Unless it rounds to the nearest which would make Lvl 5 minus 2. Last time I checked the math, it dropped another PG at Level 5. Doublechecking ... Bsc - 2.0, 1.9, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6, 1.5 Adv - 4.0, 3.8, 3.6, 3.4, 3.2, 3.0 Pro - 7.0, 6.7, 6.3, 5.9, 5.6, 5.3 Basic ... optimization saves 0 PG. Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5. so is it worth 1,866,000 skill point NO! not even for a Minnie scout who is low on pg. if it was 10% per level sure. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:46:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Excellent math.
I will take this into consideration when skilling up now.
Edit: Unless it rounds to the nearest which would make Lvl 5 minus 2. Last time I checked the math, it dropped another PG at Level 5. Doublechecking ... Bsc - 2.0, 1.9, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6, 1.5 Adv - 4.0, 3.8, 3.6, 3.4, 3.2, 3.0 Pro - 7.0, 6.7, 6.3, 5.9, 5.6, 5.3 Basic ... optimization saves 0 PG. Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5. so is it worth 1,866,000 skill point NO! not even for a Minnie scout who is low on pg. if it was 10% per level sure. I got mine to lvl 3, and it was worth it for me. I was able to upgrade my second side arm on one fit, and will be playing with others to see what I can do.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5130
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:47:00 -
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Same as combat rifles proto saves 2PG at lvl 5 fit opt
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Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
9547
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Posted - 2014.09.26 01:41:00 -
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I was under the impression that CCP rounds down the numbers rather than traditionally round them up. In fact, according to Protofits.com the PG requirements for a pair of Ishukone Nova Knives is reduced by 2 PG at level V.
Anyways, you will be amazed how often you can come up with awesome knifing fits but then immediately trash it when you realize you're 1 PG short of the demand regardless of maxing out all other core skills. Even 1 PG can go a long way especially for a dropsuit like the Minmatar Scout which people often say has 'meh' PG availability.
EDIT: Never mind. I just read your other replies.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5222
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Posted - 2014.09.26 01:42:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I was under the impression that CCP rounds down the numbers rather than traditionally round them up. In fact, according to Protofits.com the PG requirements for a pair of Ishukone Nova Knives is reduced by 2 PG at level V.
Anyways, you will be amazed how often you can come up with awesome knifing fits but then immediately trash it when you realize you're 1 PG short of the demand regardless of maxing out all other core skills. Even 1 PG can go a long way especially for a dropsuit like the Minmatar Scout which people often say has 'meh' PG availability.
Even if they rounded by conventional standards (i.e. to the nearest whole), Optimization V frees up 2 PG.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote: Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5.
I did train Optimization up to lv3, and I monitored PG on my suit every iterator.
Test 1: Adv Min Scout, Adv Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 0PG, optimization LV3.
Suit 2: Adv Min Scout, Pro Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 1PG, optimization LV3.
I also test it on protofit, and it free up only 1 PG even I have Optimization V Optimization V will free up 2 PG only fitting Proto Knife alone
Conclusion: Worth to train only up to lv3
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9552
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:55:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5.
I did train Optimization up to lv3, and I monitored PG on my suit every iterator. Test 1: Adv Min Scout, Adv Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 0 PG, optimization LV3. Suit 2: Adv Min Scout, Pro Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 1 PG, optimization LV3. I also test it on protofit, and it free up only 1 PG even I have Optimization V Optimization V will free up 2 PG only fitting Proto Knife aloneConclusion: Worth to train only up to lv3
What do you think of my recommendation to buff it to 6% per level instead of 5%? Is the proposed return even worth it for the investment? Keep in mind that we are dealing with percentages effecting very small numbers here.
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jace silencerww
Inner.Hell
50
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:RedPencil wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: Advanced ... optimization saves 1PG level 3. Prototype ... optimization saves 1PG at level 2 and another 1PG at level 5.
I did train Optimization up to lv3, and I monitored PG on my suit every iterator. Test 1: Adv Min Scout, Adv Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 0 PG, optimization LV3. Suit 2: Adv Min Scout, Pro Knife, Adv Cloak Result: 1 PG, optimization LV3. I also test it on protofit, and it free up only 1 PG even I have Optimization V Optimization V will free up 2 PG only fitting Proto Knife aloneConclusion: Worth to train only up to lv3 What do you think of my recommendation to buff it to 6% per level instead of 5%? Is the proposed return even worth it for the investment? Keep in mind that we are dealing with percentages effecting very small numbers here.
lol still not worthy it. it will be the same pg saving as now again not worth 1,866,000 but I will agree up to level 3 at most. look at it this way even if it was 10% per level it would be 1 pg-basic, 2 pg-adv, & 3 pg-pro so then it would be worth the 1,866,000. most sidearm fitting op is not worth the 1,866,000 due to you saving 1-2 pg on the proto sidearm. light weapons save about 2-4 pg on average. rail rifles and assault rifles save a good amount 3-5 pg. however my favorite fitting op is for the PLC lol you can really save on the cpu by maxing light weapon op & the plc fitting and it reduces the cpu by 40% lol that is worthy the 1,866,000 |
RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:21:00 -
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@ Maken Tosch
We should not just fix it by put 6% on NK Opt alone because the conventional round number apply on all weapons Opt skill. So the same goal must apply to all weapons, and it could be a crab load of discussion about fixing this skill, I bet, Rattati already has too much work. Also the Optimization skill topic was bought up many time in the past and then fade away from time to time.
My intent here is to remind people about this effect before they design to train this skill higher than lv3.
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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jace silencerww
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.10.15 20:53:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:@ Maken Tosch We should not just fix it by put 6% on NK Opt alone because the conventional round number apply on all weapons Opt skill. So the same goal must apply to all weapons, and it could be a crab load of discussion about fixing this skill, I bet, Rattati already has too much work. Also the Optimization skill topic was bought up many time in the past and then fade away from time to time. My intent here is to remind people about this effect before they design to train this skill higher than lv3.
lol even at level 3 you only get 1 pg on proto nk. 6% would help a lot. |
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