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TIMMY DAVIS
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:08:00 -
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How is this calculated?
two examples. Both in the last week or so.
A dropship landed hard and only had a few hundred hit points. I shot it with my rifle I don't remember if it was an AR or CR, but I caused it to be destroyed. It seemed like I was the last one to hit it, at least. I don't remember getting any WP notification.
I really don't think I "Earned" the kill, but I should have gotten something. An Assist say.
Second example, I was using an EXO-5 MD and shooting at a Tank. I hit it three or four times solid and at least got splash damage on the rest of the clip. There was a second player shooting Swarms at it, but from what it looked like on the screen, I caused the vehicle to shift from Shield Damage to Armor Damage. Again no on screen notification of WP's.
How many times would I have to hit a Vehicle with something besides AV Grenades or Swarms to get Vehicle Damage points?
or how much damaged caused to a Vehicle to get Vehicle Damage points?
When using Swarms, it seems that I start getting points once I breach the shields.
And please bring back the Hack a Vehicle WP.
While I'm on Vehicles, It would be nice to recall captured/hacked Vehicles.
Thanks for reading this. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3483
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:18:00 -
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I don't think any non-AV weapon can actually get an appreciable enough amount of damage done to vehicles for it to count for WP.
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
276
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Posted - 2014.09.23 15:00:00 -
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 Salutations, TIMMY!
Be careful of the "kill-readout" you see in the upper right of your HUD. With the speed at which we consolers run these matches, it's not dead-accurate (can't be) about who killed what with what. The best of us have confirmed this fact... the report of how you got killed is occasionally wacky.
I've lobbed enough grenades (AV or locus), and aimed enough missile and Railgun and Blaster installations at vehicles to see the core pattern:
The 75 WP damage award is only given when "X" hp is removed from the vehicle in a SINGLE IMPACT. This is why HMGs or Mass Drivers or even Blaster Installations that can gradually "shred" a ton of HP off a crippled vehicle,... just won't get that "Damage WP".
It's also why a grenade or a Rail Installation or Proto small missile turret almost guarantees you get Damage WP.... yet a large Missile Turret never seems to get you any damage reward.
The "X" also explains why finishing off a crippled vehicle with ANY weapon often won't score you Damage-WPs at all. While the wonky kill-report sometimes won't "report" that you were the one responsible for squeezing off the final slug that put the vehicle out of its misery.
What that "X" number is, I don't know.
I am making a long reach here, but I don't think I am WAY off from the truth:
WP awarded for damaging a vehicle was based on ARMOUR damage only. I remember a few long threads arguing that armour alone was not fair, and that we ought to be awarded for ripping down the vehicle's sheilding,... but the conclusion was that shield-loss was not "damage", and only armour-loss was the deciding factor.
"WAS", means I can't be sure whether that has been changed...(because we drive CCP nuts with SO many change requests every month ).
By lobbing a FLUX grenade at a stationary vehicle, and seeing if any Damage-WP is given, we might know if shielding damage DOES count.  But, you be the one to try it first... I'm not sure if the driver will let you hang around long enough to read the result in the upper right cor---- (incapacitated.... triage 35m).
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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TIMMY DAVIS
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:56:00 -
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Thanks CELESTA,
I understand about the readout. I thought I got around the corner fast enough - no.
So I take it with a grain of salt.
As for your explanation, gotcha. I could be using an MD with 6 shells, hit it straight up three times and get splash damage the other 3 times, do over a 1000 HP of damage and because it was not a "single" hit, I don't get any WP for it. Annoying, but at least I understand.
I would have to cause 500+ HP in a single hit, and only CCP knows what the limit it. 500 is just a number I'm throwing out there. But MD's maximum HP is 460 and 625.5 is lowest direct damage AV grenade.
And at least some of the damage has to be to armor, it can not be all shield.
So only
Light Weapons-
Plasma Canons
Swarms Launchers
Heavy Weapons-
Forge Guns
Grenades -
AV all levels
Remote Explosives-
AV/Proximity all levels
Non-AV probable
Can cause enough damage in one single hit to get WP.
I suppose Charged Sniper Rifles and Charged Scrambler Rifles might be able to pass the damage threshold whatever it is.
Nova Knives have a special caveat of 50% effectiveness vs vehicles - thank you hotfix charlie notes.
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Yeah, I don't understand about the shield part, I've seen some vehicles with over 4000 shield HP. Another guy and I never got to the armor, but we forced him away from the area of the map he was targeting. I never got any points and I'm guessing the other guy didn't either, but we hit him with multiple swarms several times over the course of 3-4-5 minutes.
I know hard to do, put maybe give points for Shield damage only if the vehicle has over xx (2000, 2500) amount of shields, even if it's just 5 or 10 points per 500 shield HP's. And lower the HP treshold or figure out some way to include multiple hits on some other weapons against vehicles, that hit some minimum damage caused.
problem - RR 49.35 * 42 = 2072.7 If I could empty a RR clip into a vehicle it could conceivably do that much damage. I'm guessing, like Nova Knives, most weapons have some sort of damage mitigation factor against vehicles.
Yet more requests of CCP |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1837
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Posted - 2014.09.24 05:35:00 -
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TIMMY DAVIS wrote:
problem - RR 49.35 * 42 = 2072.7 If I could empty a RR clip into a vehicle it could conceivably do that much damage. I'm guessing, like Nova Knives, most weapons have some sort of damage mitigation factor against vehicles.
Yet more requests of CCP
Actually Nova Knives do full damage against vehicles. This is why you occasionally see tank kills with nova knives. The flaylock and mass driver can do some damage to vehicles but only if they are in armor. The flaylock gets 80% efficiency vs vehicles and I am going to assume that the MD is the same though I haven't really used it since closed beta. The other weapons which are not on your list of AV weapons do pathetic AV damage 1%- 3%.
Now with more evil.
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1282
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Posted - 2014.09.24 06:14:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:TIMMY DAVIS wrote:
problem - RR 49.35 * 42 = 2072.7 If I could empty a RR clip into a vehicle it could conceivably do that much damage. I'm guessing, like Nova Knives, most weapons have some sort of damage mitigation factor against vehicles.
Yet more requests of CCP
Actually Nova Knives do full damage against vehicles.
Nope. 50%.
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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