DUST Search - Request for CPM and CCP attention on mouse support.

zzZaXxx wrote:

I wish I had a better idea of how many KB/M users there are. We may be the minority but we deserve some concessions. CCP made this game KB/M compatible in the beginning. It was their choice. Some folks like me who are hopeless with controller, and always will be, got hooked on DUST but have had to play at a significant disadvantage since aim assist was introduced, even though it's been toned down from the original insanity.

Please advocate for the KB/M community! There must be more like me, who never would have started playing DUST if it was controller only. It's not a choice. I can't compete with the damn thing! Believe I've tried to learn to use the controller and my hands will just not go there.

People with muscle memory from childhood, totally comfortable with controller, get to play with aim assist and the grenade button in a useable place. We get no help at all. CCP has not taken one single action to help KB/M players compete on the same level with controller players.

Rattati and the gang really need to test out the difference. For starters, please please please ask them to move the grenade button from x!!!! It's right under awsd and I cannot get my thumb down there while trying to move around!!!!! It's a simple change! Why are we being neglected??

KB/M is not just a choice people make when they want to snipe or run HMG or something. For many of us it's what we are limited too. CCP represented DUST from the beginning as a KB/M game. It seems now they've backed off from that and are trying to just let its use die off. That is disrespectful and neglectful towards players like myself.

Please encourage them to a) move the grenade button and b) work on giving KB/M better mechanics, maybe slight aim assist....something to even the playing field a little bit. Please respond and thank you for your time!

"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro"

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Haerr Legio DXIV 1434	Posted - 2014.09.21 09:52:00 - [1] - Quote I simply want you to only play with the mouse and keyboard (directly plugged into the PS3, no GIMX / Eagle Eye / XIM...) for a bit , let's say for a week or two. This to me seems like a fair request as you are representatives of the Dust community and part of the Dust community uses the mouse and keyboard.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2874	Posted - 2014.09.21 11:21:00 - [2] - Quote Some of the CPM play primarily with the KBM. I myself cannot claim to on my PS3 as there is no physical room to do so with my current room setup but I play a lot of KBM on my PC (granted that does not pertain directly to Dust, but believe me KBM optimization has been brought up by CPM members in more than one meeting). I know the answer above is somewhat imperfect in addressing your request, but I hope it is of some use nonetheless. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Haerr Legio DXIV 1434	Posted - 2014.09.21 11:25:00 - [3] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: -snip- but believe me KBM optimization has been brought up by CPM members in more than one meeting -snip- This is already a lot more than I had hoped for. Thank you.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3441	Posted - 2014.09.21 17:30:00 - [4] - Quote I went on a big rant about how the placement of the scoreboard key (Tab) and the change weapon key (Caps Lock) was terrible, since a lot of times you are frantically trying to swap weapons, you will pull up the scoreboard instead. And then die. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 2679	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:13:00 - [5] - Quote Why do you persist in your integrity? Curse CCP and die.
Haerr Legio DXIV 1440	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:32:00 - [6] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why do you persist in your integrity? Curse CCP and die. After a lot of googling it seems that this quote is related to pokemon in some way. The thing is I am not that into pokemon.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3702	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:48:00 - [7] - Quote Haerr wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why do you persist in your integrity? Curse CCP and die. After a lot of googling it seems that this quote is related to pokemon in some way. The thing is I am not that into pokemon. Bible, book of Job. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Haerr Legio DXIV 1444	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:57:00 - [8] - Quote Spademan wrote: Haerr wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why do you persist in your integrity? Curse CCP and die. After a lot of googling it seems that this quote is related to pokemon in some way. The thing is I am not that into pokemon. Bible, book of Job. More pokemon? Still not interested.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 575	Posted - 2014.09.24 10:12:00 - [9] - Quote I wish I had a better idea of how many KB/M users there are. We may be the minority but we deserve some concessions. CCP made this game KB/M compatible in the beginning. It was their choice. Some folks like me who are hopeless with controller, and always will be, got hooked on DUST but have had to play at a significant disadvantage since aim assist was introduced, even though it's been toned down from the original insanity. Please advocate for the KB/M community! There must be more like me, who never would have started playing DUST if it was controller only. It's not a choice. I can't compete with the damn thing! Believe I've tried to learn to use the controller and my hands will just not go there. People with muscle memory from childhood, totally comfortable with controller, get to play with aim assist and the grenade button in a useable place. We get no help at all. CCP has not taken one single action to help KB/M players compete on the same level with controller players. Rattati and the gang really need to test out the difference. For starters, please please please ask them to move the grenade button from x!!!! It's right under awsd and I cannot get my thumb down there while trying to move around!!!!! It's a simple change! Why are we being neglected?? KB/M is not just a choice people make when they want to snipe or run HMG or something. For many of us it's what we are limited too. CCP represented DUST from the beginning as a KB/M game. It seems now they've backed off from that and are trying to just let its use die off. That is disrespectful and neglectful towards players like myself. Please encourage them to a) move the grenade button and b) work on giving KB/M better mechanics, maybe slight aim assist....something to even the playing field a little bit. Please respond and thank you for your time!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1983	Posted - 2014.10.15 11:43:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I went on a big rant about how the placement of the scoreboard key (Tab) and the change weapon key (Caps Lock) was terrible, since a lot of times you are frantically trying to swap weapons, you will pull up the scoreboard instead. And then die. Oh man I hate that one. Can you guys PLEASE PLEASE for the love of all things PLEASE ask CCP if we can change the key bindings for KB/M! There are many issues that I could list about KB/M in this game (if you wished me to) however being able to change a few of the keys would be a huge quality of life improvement. Tab/Scoreboard being one of them I would change in a heartbeat. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1983	Posted - 2014.10.15 11:44:00 - [11] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: I wish I had a better idea of how many KB/M users there are. We may be the minority but we deserve some concessions. CCP made this game KB/M compatible in the beginning. It was their choice. Some folks like me who are hopeless with controller, and always will be, got hooked on DUST but have had to play at a significant disadvantage since aim assist was introduced, even though it's been toned down from the original insanity. Please advocate for the KB/M community! There must be more like me, who never would have started playing DUST if it was controller only. It's not a choice. I can't compete with the damn thing! Believe I've tried to learn to use the controller and my hands will just not go there. People with muscle memory from childhood, totally comfortable with controller, get to play with aim assist and the grenade button in a useable place. We get no help at all. CCP has not taken one single action to help KB/M players compete on the same level with controller players. Rattati and the gang really need to test out the difference. For starters, please please please ask them to move the grenade button from x!!!! It's right under awsd and I cannot get my thumb down there while trying to move around!!!!! It's a simple change! Why are we being neglected?? KB/M is not just a choice people make when they want to snipe or run HMG or something. For many of us it's what we are limited too. CCP represented DUST from the beginning as a KB/M game. It seems now they've backed off from that and are trying to just let its use die off. That is disrespectful and neglectful towards players like myself. Please encourage them to a) move the grenade button and b) work on giving KB/M better mechanics, maybe slight aim assist....something to even the playing field a little bit. Please respond and thank you for your time! I feel you bro, I came from EVE and also a PC background. I have learnt to use the DS3 controller to fly dropships as using KB/M to fly a dropship is literally suicide. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2914	Posted - 2014.10.20 08:27:00 - [12] - Quote I'm pretty sure that better framerate (in 1.9) will improve mouse input. However, it will not make it a PC-like experience. So further optimizations are needed. P.S. this is not tinfoiling, I did my research previously. Currently running a GIMX with decent mouse input, so it is possible to emulate the mouse better. "The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
Haerr Clone Manque 1669	Posted - 2014.10.20 14:56:00 - [13] - Quote Just a quick update since most of the discussion has been posted in other threads. Many CPM members are being extremely helpful in regard to trying to improve mouse support in Dust. While an improvement might not happen right away (or at all), at least now the CPM is engaging CCP about mouse support in Dust. Btw this is not to deter anyone from providing more feedback, quite the opposite as you now know that it is being looked into! Being concise and focused in your feedback seems to help if you actually want anyone else to bare reading through it! (Shout out to IWS for taking the time to further look into this! ) Haerr's huge list of wish for 1.9 - 1.10: Fix mouse support.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2054	Posted - 2014.10.21 06:02:00 - [14] - Quote I cannot go on enough about how happy I would be if CCP gave us the option to rebind all of the keys for KB/M. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2922	Posted - 2014.10.21 10:19:00 - [15] - Quote How to implement sub-position precision when emulating the DS3 controller (credits to Matlo over at GIMX): http://blog.gimx.fr/subposition-precision-11-translation/ Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2934	Posted - 2014.10.28 14:36:00 - [16] - Quote Two more blog posts about emulating mouse input for DS3: http://blog.gimx.fr/mouse-mapping-improvement/ http://blog.gimx.fr/mouse-mapping-improvement-2/ Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2950	Posted - 2014.10.29 13:38:00 - [17] - Quote More useful info: http://www.flipcode.com/archives/Smooth_Mouse_Filtering.shtml Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17563	Posted - 2014.11.01 18:07:00 - [18] - Quote All of this was forwarded up; I hope some good can come out of it. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Haerr 2108	Posted - 2014.12.04 15:04:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: All of this was forwarded up; I hope some good can come out of it. Looking at the trello boards and can't find anything about improving controls? So sad... :'-( ... Are there even any currently planned improvements to controls? Or are improvements to controls a no-go? The time has come GÇö Caldari FW GÇö Kirjuun Heiian
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17968	Posted - 2014.12.04 15:34:00 - [20] - Quote Improving controls is not a story or epic level event in game development terms. They're individual items within either if need be; if you must poke CCP Rattati with your community trello request for a controls topics. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked



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