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One Eyed King wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Have played LOTS of Ambush this weekend ... no-lifed it all the way up to #11 in weekly kills!

I've observed that the odds of finding good fights have been improved by vast degree. I've also observed that the ADS and HAV are still quite capable of utterly spoiling what might have otherwise been good fights.

Here's an example. Our side lost 6 clones.

Our opponent, of course, switched to AV following a start-of-match pummeling by our two Pythons. Within a minute of start time, literally half of the enemy was running swarms and forge guns. Friendly ground forces proceeded to cut through them like a knife through butter. Above it all, the Pythons danced.

By some miracle, the enemy managed to get a Gorgon airborne which successfully ferried an AV team (forge, swarms, logi) to the relative safety of a rooftop. I couldn't tell exactly what happened next from the vantage of my scope, but I was elated to find a friendly Python going down in flames.

Perhaps the AVers managed to land sufficient, simultaneous blows to crash him. Perhaps the pilot panicked, clipped something and crashed himself. Perhaps he was rammed by the Gorgon. Whatever it was that went down, my hat is off to you, brave AV crew. o7

Alas, my celebration was short-lived. Python #2 promptly cleared the rooftop foothold of hostile AV and Uplinks. Python #1 was promptly replaced by a Blaster Madrugar.

Of course it was.

I have been noticing the same thing in Skirmishes.

I even busted out some militia AV in the form of the starter fit and a heavy with a forge gun in one of the matches, and managed to scare them away for a fraction of a second.

I have come to the conclusion that Goose and I have too much Mu.

Even when we aren't squading, we end up in the same matches, then end up 1 and 2 with the rest of our team doing jack squat.

And the last two times the Vehicles were ridiculous. Two or three tanks to our zero, maybe one and an enemy ADS.

It is weird how just the matchmaking changes are forcing me to play differently. Before, I got rid of my PLC fit and whatnot because I never used them. Now I am noticing more in game situations that require AV or splash damage weaponry to try and find uplinks.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5034	Posted - 2014.09.20 17:43:00 - [1] - Quote Vehicles are still breaking Ambush matches. I've played LOTS of Ambush this weekend ... no-lifed it all the way up to #11 in weekly kills! I've only played Ambush, and I've observed that the odds of finding good fights have been improved by vast degree. I've also observed that the Python and HAV are still quite capable of utterly spoiling matches. Here's an example. Our side lost 6 clones. This was, of course, an exterior map as all OMS matches seem to be. Our opponent, of course, switched to AV gear after being mopped by our two Pythons. Within minutes, literally half of the enemy was running swarms and forge guns. Our ground forces cut through them like a knife through butter. Our Pythons danced. By some miracle, the enemy managed to get a Gorgon airborne which successfully ferried an AV team (forge, swarms and a logi) to the relative safety of a rooftop. The brave AV crew managed to crash one of the birds. Either that, or the Python bumped into something. I couldn't tell exactly what had happened from my sniper scope, but I was elated to find the friendly Python in flames. Alas, my joy was short-lived. Python #2 promptly cleared the rooftop foothold of AV and Uplinks. Python #1 was promptly replaced by a Blaster Madrugar. Of course it was. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4519	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote Similar experiences here Matchmaking can't account for the "Force Multiplier" of vehicles, which is a shame. Hope a balance to AV-V happens sometime soon. KRRROOOOOOM
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5037	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: gg CCP Rattati ... lost my tank but i turned that match around eh whole team turned av lol someone had some nice av but im too quick on corners lol Its as if they think its OK. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4253	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:13:00 - [4] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played LOTS of Ambush this weekend ... no-lifed it all the way up to #11 in weekly kills! I've observed that the odds of finding good fights have been improved by vast degree. I've also observed that the ADS and HAV are still quite capable of utterly spoiling what might have otherwise been good fights. Here's an example. Our side lost 6 clones. Our opponent, of course, switched to AV following a start-of-match pummeling by our two Pythons. Within a minute of start time, literally half of the enemy was running swarms and forge guns. Friendly ground forces proceeded to cut through them like a knife through butter. Above it all, the Pythons danced. By some miracle, the enemy managed to get a Gorgon airborne which successfully ferried an AV team (forge, swarms, logi) to the relative safety of a rooftop. I couldn't tell exactly what happened next from the vantage of my scope, but I was elated to find a friendly Python going down in flames. Perhaps the AVers managed to land sufficient, simultaneous blows to crash him. Perhaps the pilot panicked, clipped something and crashed himself. Perhaps he was rammed by the Gorgon. Whatever it was that went down, my hat is off to you, brave AV crew. o7 Alas, my celebration was short-lived. Python #2 promptly cleared the rooftop foothold of hostile AV and Uplinks. Python #1 was promptly replaced by a Blaster Madrugar. Of course it was. I have been noticing the same thing in Skirmishes. I even busted out some militia AV in the form of the starter fit and a heavy with a forge gun in one of the matches, and managed to scare them away for a fraction of a second. I have come to the conclusion that Goose and I have too much Mu. Even when we aren't squading, we end up in the same matches, then end up 1 and 2 with the rest of our team doing jack squat. And the last two times the Vehicles were ridiculous. Two or three tanks to our zero, maybe one and an enemy ADS. It is weird how just the matchmaking changes are forcing me to play differently. Before, I got rid of my PLC fit and whatnot because I never used them. Now I am noticing more in game situations that require AV or splash damage weaponry to try and find uplinks. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Tectonic Fusion 2225	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:22:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played LOTS of Ambush this weekend ... no-lifed it all the way up to #11 in weekly kills! I've observed that the odds of finding good fights have been improved by vast degree. I've also observed that the ADS and HAV are still quite capable of utterly spoiling what might have otherwise been good fights. Here's an example. Our side lost 6 clones. Our opponent, of course, switched to AV following a start-of-match pummeling by our two Pythons. Within a minute of start time, literally half of the enemy was running swarms and forge guns. Friendly ground forces proceeded to cut through them like a knife through butter. Above it all, the Pythons danced. By some miracle, the enemy managed to get a Gorgon airborne which successfully ferried an AV team (forge, swarms, logi) to the relative safety of a rooftop. I couldn't tell exactly what happened next from the vantage of my scope, but I was elated to find a friendly Python going down in flames. Perhaps the AVers managed to land sufficient, simultaneous blows to crash him. Perhaps the pilot panicked, clipped something and crashed himself. Perhaps he was rammed by the Gorgon. Whatever it was that went down, my hat is off to you, brave AV crew. o7 Alas, my celebration was short-lived. Python #2 promptly cleared the rooftop foothold of hostile AV and Uplinks. Python #1 was promptly replaced by a Blaster Madrugar. Of course it was. I have been noticing the same thing in Skirmishes. I even busted out some militia AV in the form of the starter fit and a heavy with a forge gun in one of the matches, and managed to scare them away for a fraction of a second. I have come to the conclusion that Goose and I have too much Mu. Even when we aren't squading, we end up in the same matches, then end up 1 and 2 with the rest of our team doing jack squat. And the last two times the Vehicles were ridiculous. Two or three tanks to our zero, maybe one and an enemy ADS. It is weird how just the matchmaking changes are forcing me to play differently. Before, I got rid of my PLC fit and whatnot because I never used them. Now I am noticing more in game situations that require AV or splash damage weaponry to try and find uplinks. Story of my life. (GIF)
ImIvan 36	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:23:00 - [6] - Quote Tru, takes 3-4 AV to take out one of the damn things and they can always call in more. Why must you use prototypes?
DarthPlagueis TheWise 35	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:24:00 - [7] - Quote isnt OMS getting the boot in delta?
Michael Arck 5640	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:28:00 - [8] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: isnt OMS getting the boot in delta? No. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
DarthPlagueis TheWise 36	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:34:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: isnt OMS getting the boot in delta? No. wtf thats what was voted highest... i remember it was...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4258	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:35:00 - [10] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Michael Arck wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: isnt OMS getting the boot in delta? No. wtf thats what was voted highest... i remember it was... Nothing has been mentioned lately that I have seen. It doesn't mean it is not still on the table for Delta or a later hotfix, or even something that changes on its own like matchmaking did. You can always tell a Millford Minja

Michael Arck 5642	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:41:00 - [11] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Michael Arck wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: isnt OMS getting the boot in delta? No. wtf thats what was voted highest... i remember it was... edit nvm 50 clone bush and vehicles getting the boot If thats the case people are out of their damn minds. All because they refuse to switch to AV to take out tanks that are nowhere near as powerful as they were? I wonder what will be their next excuse when they still get whooped on. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5042	Posted - 2014.09.20 19:44:00 - [12] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: isnt OMS getting the boot in delta? My understanding is that Rattati wanted to see how the new installations panned out first. They seem to be more annoyance than threat, perhaps due to their oft poor positioning. As much I dislike (and routinely back out of) vehicle-aided Ambush stomps, I'm on the fence about their being removed from the mode. I'd much prefer to see V/AV balanced than content reduced. That said, if it proves impossible to balance V/AV in Ambush, then we have no choice but to remove them. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1146	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:59:00 - [13] - Quote I think the new matchmaking has skewed the balance in favor of vehicles. I was about to make a post about this. Most of my matches have been well matched but some have been as bad as I've ever played, the bad ones all have the common denominator of vehicles ruling the field. I'm not an unbiased observer on this issue though so don't trust my own observations. Because, that's why.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9484	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Similar experiences here Matchmaking can't account for the "Force Multiplier" of vehicles, which is a shame. Hope a balance to AV-V happens sometime soon. Which is why I often look forward to regular ambushes. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1149	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:30:00 - [15] - Quote and I want vehicles in Ambush. Because, that's why.


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