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Shooter Somewhere wrote:

Normal Ambush is for the COD players (that's what they wanted and they got it)

Ambush OMS is for the players who want the game to last longer. Plenty of variety in the battle (yes this means vehicles) and more coordination. If anything should be changed about OMS it should have 100-120 clones. Not removing a tanker who wants to get out of DOM and SKIRM who is tired of fighting nothing but AV on rooftops and is looking for a bit of 'Action' this means slaughtering wanna be COD players or finding other tankers to fight in maps where there is no RED LINE to hide in.

Its bad enough that I cant use my 22mil SP on half of one particular game mode please don't make it 2/3 that you have. Not everyone is a duna2002.

I also find it funny what people need to understand is if they put less SP into AV and more into tanks they could handle that dude easy I have once to seem him ever pull out a rail tank. EVER. No matter how many enemy tanks were out.

But no people want to use AV its safe. cheap. Easy mode. and proto stomping efficient.

Or maybe AV are just afraid they cant do what we do as such high economic risk. They have so many handy caps right now and they very few of us that remain still find ways to triumph over bs tactics. Yeah that's it your afraid of us because you know you cant do what we do, and CCP knows it to. Cool

Btw are there any AV guys that can do my roof? I know you guys are good at that sort of thing. Seeing that's were you are all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <------ Those tanker feels.

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Shooter Somewhere Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote Normal Ambush is for the COD players (that's what they wanted and they got it) Ambush OMS is for the players who want the game to last longer. Plenty of variety in the battle (yes this means vehicles) and more coordination. If anything should be changed about OMS it should have 100-120 clones. Not removing a tanker who wants to get out of DOM and SKIRM who is tired of fighting nothing but AV on rooftops and is looking for a bit of 'Action' this means slaughtering wanna be COD players or finding other tankers to fight in maps where there is no RED LINE to hide in. Its bad enough that I cant use my 22mil SP on half of one particular game mode please don't make it 2/3 that you have. Not everyone is a duna2002. I also find it funny what people need to understand is if they put less SP into AV and more into tanks they could handle that dude easy I have once to seem him ever pull out a rail tank. EVER. No matter how many enemy tanks were out. But no people want to use AV its safe. cheap. Easy mode. and proto stomping efficient. Or maybe AV are just afraid they cant do what we do as such high economic risk. They have so many handy caps right now and they very few of us that remain still find ways to triumph over bs tactics. Yeah that's it your afraid of us because you know you cant do what we do, and CCP knows it to. Cool Btw are there any AV guys that can do my roof? I know you guys are good at that sort of thing. Seeing that's were you are all day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <------ Those tanker feels. HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 115	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:14:00 - [2] - Quote Need a tissue? Pro Galmando - Gal Sentinel Suicidal A/V Moron
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1022	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:19:00 - [3] - Quote Ambush is for COD players & World of Tanks is for you.
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 309	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:21:00 - [4] - Quote pretty soon tankers are gonna start leavin this game, too many buffs to av and no countermeasure for tanks. rail nope 4 shots overheat blaster...just lol dispersion missile works but 15+s reload yeah leaves you pretty vulnerable and to the players that complain about hmg pilots that ^^^ is why, we have no effective method to kill av, we just run with our tails between our legs "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 89	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:23:00 - [5] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: pretty soon tankers are gonna start leavin this game, too many buffs to av and no countermeasure for tanks. rail nope 4 shots overheat blaster...just lol dispersion missile works but 15+s reload yeah leaves you pretty vulnerable and to the players that complain about hmg pilots that ^^^ is why, we have no effective method to kill av, we just run with our tails between our legs I said it before and I will say it again be careful while driving your tank and AV will have a hard time killing you. No one is forcing you to use a tank if you see rooftop campers find another way to deal with them, whether its a sniper or even just suicide bombing a Gorgon into them. If I see that my methods not working (aka everyday) if having trouble dealing with a two-faced coward like for instance a scout throw a grenade to their hiding spot and they run out like a roach. If you trouble with AV drive your tank to safety and kill them with a sniper or even a rifle.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3157	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:25:00 - [6] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Normal Ambush is for the COD players (that's what they wanted and they got it) Team deathmatch has been around for longer than CoD. Shooter Somewhere wrote: I also find it funny what people need to understand is if they put less SP into AV and more into tanks they could handle that dude easy I have once to seem him ever pull out a rail tank. EVER. No matter how many enemy tanks were out. AV grenades, SL, and PLC are not anti-infantry weapons. The argument could be made that FG aren't either. Some people get decent with a FG or PLC, but they aren't as efficient as a rifle or MD, for example. We are giving up our ability to defend ourselves against infantry JUST FOR A CHANCE AT HURTING VEHICLES. Shooter Somewhere wrote: But no people want to use AV its safe. cheap. Easy mode. and proto stomping efficient. Cheaper than a vehicle? Maybe. Easy? Not at all. ADS and HAV's can escape infantry if they feel so inclined. Then they return 30 seconds later with full HP and annihilate your squad single handedly. Shooter Somewhere wrote: Or maybe AV are just afraid they cant do what we do as such high economic risk. They have so many handy caps right now and they very few of us that remain still find ways to triumph over bs tactics. Yeah that's it your afraid of us because you know you cant do what we do, and CCP knows it to. Cool Anyone can hop into a MIL vehicle a wreck some infantry. You aren't skilled or special. You are just basically rolling around in a giant sentinel dropsuits with wheels and a large turret. The only reason AV has to use tactics is because without them no one could kill vehicles except vehicles, and contrary to your belief, this is not HAV/ADS 514. Shooter Somewhere wrote: Btw are there any AV guys that can do my roof? I know you guys are good at that sort of thing. Seeing that's were you are all day. Ah... ad hominem attacks. This is how I know u mad. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 309	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: pretty soon tankers are gonna start leavin this game, too many buffs to av and no countermeasure for tanks. rail nope 4 shots overheat blaster...just lol dispersion missile works but 15+s reload yeah leaves you pretty vulnerable and to the players that complain about hmg pilots that ^^^ is why, we have no effective method to kill av, we just run with our tails between our legs I said it before and I will say it again be careful while driving your tank and AV will have a hard time killing you. i've had a squad of forgers chase me in lav before, if i stay to kill lav boom goes my tank "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Atiim 12191	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:28:00 - [8] - Quote I remember when I used to be an nonconstructive idiot on the forums. Thanks for putting some sense into me True Adamance. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 309	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:31:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: I remember when I used to be an nonconstructive idiot on the forums. Thanks for putting some sense into me True Adamance. may i ask to whom you speak? If me please elaborate "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Atiim 12191	Posted - 2014.09.16 18:32:00 - [10] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Atiim wrote: I remember when I used to be an nonconstructive idiot on the forums. Thanks for putting some sense into me True Adamance. may i ask to whom you speak? If me please elaborate Sorry, I was referring to the OP. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:33:00 - [11] - Quote Regardless of whether or not the statements were correct, I found that video very entertaining. Breach weapon specialist Behold my... uh, something other than DPS!
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1857	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:36:00 - [12] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Its bad enough that I cant use my 22mil SP on half of one particular game mode please don't make it 2/3 that you have. Not everyone is a duna2002. I also find it funny what people need to understand is if they put less SP into AV and more into tanks they could handle that dude easy I have once to seem him ever pull out a rail tank. EVER. No matter how many enemy tanks were out. I've seen him use missiles. Also he usually has a decentish rail tanker with him.
Shooter Somewhere Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:49:00 - [13] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Regardless of whether or not the statements were correct, I found that video very entertaining. Because your a subbed fagget sergeant sazu. HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.09.16 19:52:00 - [14] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: Regardless of whether or not the statements were correct, I found that video very entertaining. Because your a subbed fagget sergeant sazu. Because subbed anime is superior, I'm telling you. You still get that anime feel that you lose with dubbed. Breach weapon specialist Behold my... uh, something other than DPS!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 90	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:06:00 - [15] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Because your a subbed fagget sergeant sazu. If you want people to think you have a legitimate complaint about the balance between AV and Tanks you don't insult people and get mad when people disagree with you. Typing in all caps and swearing tends to be lessen your argument and turn you into a whiney little brat.
Shooter Somewhere Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:36:00 - [16] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Shooter Somewhere wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: Regardless of whether or not the statements were correct, I found that video very entertaining. Because your a subbed fagget sergeant sazu. Because subbed anime is superior, I'm telling you. You still get that anime feel that you lose with dubbed. So here I thought the word fagget would be blocked. I only would call sergeant sazu of all people on the fourms a fagget because he would be the only one to get it since we have been playing together for 3 years. I call him a subbed fagget all the time. When I join squad, Sup fags? Oh look at you with your pretty AV you little fagget. HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:43:00 - [17] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: Shooter Somewhere wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: Regardless of whether or not the statements were correct, I found that video very entertaining. Because your a subbed fagget sergeant sazu. Because subbed anime is superior, I'm telling you. You still get that anime feel that you lose with dubbed. So here I thought the word fagget would be blocked. I only would call sergeant sazu of all people on the fourms a fagget because he would be the only one to get it since we have been playing together for 3 years. I call him a subbed fagget all the time. When I join squad, Sup fags? Oh look at you with your pretty AV you little fagget. Well O Illiterate One, the banished word you speak of has an "o" and not an "e". And I will spam AV forevah. #dodginyorailgun Breach weapon specialist Behold my... uh, something other than DPS!
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1607	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:45:00 - [18] - Quote Its not about Cod or anything like that. It all about what a person wants to play. Ambush is nice for solo players and just a casual few games. I like the fact we have ambush like it is now. Finally we have some actual variety in the game modes. I just wish we had more game mode variety now. A rush type game mode would be great (kinda like skirmish 1.0 for those that remember) -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3081	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:46:00 - [19] - Quote Tl; dr qq over av. Here's the deal we turn your main turret into an anti vehicle weapon with very minute infantry suppresion, I.e your gun can barely kill infantry but it can do minimal damage to assist your boots on the ground. On the flip side if you want a decent way to kill infantry, including av, you require the assistance of a gunner. Other than that your tank will have no way of defending itself from av except for a lot of hp enough so that it would require two av to kill you but to defend yourself you require two people to operate the tank. In addition to some fixes to roof camping bla bla which is annoying to everybody but that's beyond the scope of this post. Basically this is what tanks want, I spent sp on a X item therefore I should be god mode and have no counter. And if such counter exist it must exist entirely for my enjoyment of spitting in their face. Because really this is the state at which most "tankers" agree the game was balanced. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 533	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:47:00 - [20] - Quote I remember fighting three milita tanks in the middle of a field, solo in my proto logi... I simply sprinted and jumped on them crushing their no sp investments under my logi's godlike invincibility. Ever wonder why you see a proto suit running like hell from your starter suit?... He's running av, and has no offensive infantry weapon. I've had a tank take two packed grenades and three clips of triple damage modded prof 5 proto swarms before he drove away ( his shield hardeners ran out ) came back about 20 seconds later to let me fail to kill him again. Ever thought your doin it wrong? Maybe your tank is set up like a shotgun scout. Slayer fit, yes. Invincible... Lol. Btw the infantry got on top of the building using a VEHICAL. Lonewolf till I die

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2369	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:50:00 - [21] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Btw are there any AV guys that can do my roof? I know you guys are good at that sort of thing. Seeing that's were you are all day. Last time I opened your particular tin-can up, I did it with an LAV/Forge combo. Roofs are terribly restrictive for AVers, only good for suppression, not actually hunting down and killing smart HAVers. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Her Nibs G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:51:00 - [22] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Normal Ambush is for the COD players (that's what they wanted and they got it) Ambush OMS is for the players who want the game to last longer. Plenty of variety in the battle (yes this means vehicles) and more coordination. If anything should be changed about OMS it should have 100-120 clones. Not removing a tanker who wants to get out of DOM and SKIRM who is tired of fighting nothing but AV on rooftops and is looking for a bit of 'Action' this means slaughtering wanna be COD players or finding other tankers to fight in maps where there is no RED LINE to hide in. Its bad enough that I cant use my 22mil SP on half of one particular game mode please don't make it 2/3 that you have. Not everyone is a duna2002. I also find it funny what people need to understand is if they put less SP into AV and more into tanks they could handle that dude easy I have once to seem him ever pull out a rail tank. EVER. No matter how many enemy tanks were out. But no people want to use AV its safe. cheap. Easy mode. and proto stomping efficient. Or maybe AV are just afraid they cant do what we do as such high economic risk. They have so many handy caps right now and they very few of us that remain still find ways to triumph over bs tactics. Yeah that's it your afraid of us because you know you cant do what we do, and CCP knows it to. Cool Btw are there any AV guys that can do my roof? I know you guys are good at that sort of thing. Seeing that's were you are all day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWYWslg2oXQ <------ Those tanker feels. AV for me is all about the hunt. Sneaking up, laying proxys in unsuspecting places, LaiDais, cloaking near the red line while hunting chicken tankers. It's better than forging from 1 spot with a hail Mary 1 shot. Duna Hunt 2014 was one of my easiest. He is a creature of habiit. As for Chicken Derps and their afterburners...so be it. But don't get cocky and make a mistake and you'll escape t heal while infantry shoot your teamates. How annoying can 1 tiny female be. LOL. I have graciously adapted to every nerf to my swarms.....so LET THE HUNT CONTINUE. SHHH I'm hunting rabbits OOPS, I'm sorry. Did I just blow up your Python
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13302	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:08:00 - [23] - Quote Panda Uzumaki as much a poison to vehicle balance and SpkrfortheDead and Takahiro.................... "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2070	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:14:00 - [24] - Quote Keep 'em coming. Dust was real! I was there!
Shooter Somewhere Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 116	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:25:00 - [25] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Keep 'em coming. lol your not cat merc. It was really funny the first time I saw it now its just like gtfo noob. HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3136	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:44:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Panda Uzumaki as much a poison to vehicle balance and SpkrfortheDead and Takahiro.................... Tanker/Logi/Assault
Joel II X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3444	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:45:00 - [27] - Quote I didn't read a single word in this thread. I'm guessing we want old 1.6 vehicle vs Anti-Vehicle engagements, yes?
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 227	Posted - 2014.09.16 22:54:00 - [28] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: AV vs V. 1 AV should be equal to 1 tank? yes. otherwiese there is imbalance. if that's not the case you're saying that if a battle was 1v1 the tank should have an advantage. a crutch. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Atiim 12200	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:02:00 - [29] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I didn't read a single word in this thread. I'm guessing we want old 1.6 vehicle vs Anti-Vehicle engagements, yes? Vehicles became OP in the Uprising 1.7 patch. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 201	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:11:00 - [30] - Quote Wait, let me get this straight, a tanker talking about infantry A/V "easy mode." Man, I hadn't had a good laugh like that in while. Thanks, man, you made my day! GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein

taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 265	Posted - 2014.09.16 23:18:00 - [31] - Quote i would have no problem with very strong tanks if a) they require a driver + gunner just for the main gun to be manned so a minimum of 2 people maximum 4 including infantry guns b) they cost alot more isk - aka around 1 mil -1.5 mil isk before fittings. c) they were slower d) seen as a capital asset - not viable for match to match use only special occasions due to cost of loss even for good players. tanks are cheap providing your not going full proto - you want something cheap which one person can use, it has to be ballanced with a single person counter which is what we have today. fairness.


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