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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:22:00 -
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I had RRs at Operations 4 for like a year.
After deciding to spend some of my hoarded SP, I took RRs to Prof. 3 along with the rapid reload and ammo skills. I then played some Ambush...
Jeezus... with 2 complex damage mods and semi-decent tank/regen, a solo player could pretty much solo an entire team. Rail Rifles win Ambush matches. Thoughts? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
17722
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:30:00 -
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It doesn't really help that almost every ambush map is so open.
Flying to new horizons.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1819
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:39:00 -
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I am such a crutch-loving scrub that I wait for the blues to spawn in.
Spawn in open - RR time.
Spawn in city - BHMG time  |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.14 16:59:00 -
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It's not the gun, it's the map.
(GIF)
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4871
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:11:00 -
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The first Fine Rifle I skilled to Proficiency 5 was the Rail Rifle.
I've since skilled AR, CR and ScR to Prof(4).
At range, the ScR kills more quickly and reliably than the RR. At close/medium range, the ACR and CR kill more quickly and reliably than the RR. Unless you're engaging multiple opponents at range, in my estimation there are better tools for the job than the RR. I seldom use mine. I'm not saying its underpowered (I think its fairly well balanced), but I don't think that it "wins Ambush matches" anymore than any other Fine Rifle.
Edit: On the topic, RR hipfire dispersion should be nerfed and RR ADS recoil should be improved.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
87
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:23:00 -
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I only use rail rifles now and I can honestly say map doesn't matter I am doing amazingly no matter the map. I don't see how adipem thinks those guns are better. Although, they are all scrubbier. If you don't have a good trigger finger or modded controller then the CR and ScR aren't better.
Pro Caldari assault and sentinel.
Proto magsec, Forgegun and Rail Rifle
Onuoto Uakan
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1588
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:58:00 -
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You know I used to honestly think that RR`s were ' overpowered' but to be perfectly honest I have come to the conclusion it is all down to 2 main things.
1. Personal skill in understanding the weapon / knowing the best plays with a weapon
2. The map.
I love to use the Laser Rifle but I find in the smaller maps it just really struggles to do as well, yet on the larger maps I absolutely LOVE the laser rifle.
Yea the Rail rifle and the Combat rifle are probably the two most used weapons but really, any of the primary weapons CAN do work.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:10:00 -
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wiseguy12 wrote:I only use rail rifles now and I can honestly say map doesn't matter I am doing amazingly no matter the map. I don't see how adipem thinks those guns are better. Although, they are all scrubbier. If you don't have a good trigger finger or modded controller then the CR and ScR aren't better.
Probably more to do with alpha and context than "scrubbiness" or skill or modded controllers (which I don't have). I typically run very low HP Scout suits and try to limit my engagements to picking off targets of opportunity. TTK matters when attempting to takedown a target with 3x - 5x your HP, even if you get the first shot. Hardened targets have less opportunity to retaliate when I open up from behind with a stream of CR headshots or charged ScR headshot.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3133
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:35:00 -
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The reason RR's are so powerful is because the maps are open and it doesn't help that it's a point and shoot weapon which takes no skill. In more CQC style maps it will get rekt by CR's and BHMG's and SG's.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3133
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:40:00 -
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wiseguy12 wrote:I only use rail rifles now and I can honestly say map doesn't matter I am doing amazingly no matter the map. I don't see how adipem thinks those guns are better. Although, they are all scrubbier. If you don't have a good trigger finger or modded controller then the CR and ScR aren't better.
It actually takes skill to strafe and shoot while timing your bursts/managing overheat where as all you need to do is sit 80m away and point and shoot at people with an RR.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Zindorak
1.U.P
906
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:34:00 -
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I agree all i see is Kaalakiota RR on the kill feed and other weapons like BHMG but the RR could benifit from a kick increase so it will be harder to use this stupidly powerful weapon
Pokemon master!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9361
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:35:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I am such a crutch-loving scrub that I wait for the blues to spawn in. Spawn in open - RR time. Spawn in city - BHMG time
You're such a scrub that the toilet is clean.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4874
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:45:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I agree all i see is Kaalakiota RR on the kill feed and other weapons like BHMG but the RR could benifit from a kick increase so it will be harder to use this stupidly powerful weapon
Compared with the ScR, the RR already kicks like a mule when aiming down sights.
Your suggestion would make it worse in its prescribed niche.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Shooter Somewhere
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
110
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:46:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I had RRs at Operations 4 for like a year.
After deciding to spend some of my hoarded SP, I took RRs to Prof. 3 along with the rapid reload and ammo skills. I then played some Ambush...
Jeezus... with 2 complex damage mods and semi-decent tank/regen, a solo player could pretty much solo an entire team. Rail Rifles win Ambush matches. Thoughts?
Hey at least tanks don't win ambush anymore right?
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:48:00 -
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No, smart good players win Ambush. With the current skill level of course it seems RR wins Ambush. Its not like players hide behind molehills, crotch, slice pies, shoot from cover, and stay from open fields. That and I think folks just love talking about RR.
Meanwhile against tougher opponents, RR isnt the win button.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:48:00 -
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Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
863
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:53:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I had RRs at Operations 4 for like a year.
After deciding to spend some of my hoarded SP, I took RRs to Prof. 3 along with the rapid reload and ammo skills. I then played some Ambush...
Jeezus... with 2 complex damage mods and semi-decent tank/regen, a solo player could pretty much solo an entire team. Rail Rifles win Ambush matches. Thoughts?
currently RR are OP at mid to long range, they are decent at close too but CR is a bit better at close and fall off as you get further away
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
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Michael Arck
5560
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:56:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:27:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop
Awwwww wassamatter? Did somebody steal your dummy?
Sorry... I meant did some bad man want to nerf your OP crutch?
Poor you. Take a Valium. Its only a game. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:29:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop Awwwww wassamatter? Did somebody steal your dummy? Sorry... I meant did some bad man want to nerf your OP crutch? Poor you. Take a Valium. Its only a game.
If its only game, then why you want to shorten the clip? Apply the same to your argument
Derpity derp derp
But hopefully i see you in a match, I am going to shoot your face off several times over.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:50:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop Awwwww wassamatter? Did somebody steal your dummy? Sorry... I meant did some bad man want to nerf your OP crutch? Poor you. Take a Valium. Its only a game. If its only game, then why you want to shorten the clip? Apply the same to your argument Derpity derp derp But hopefully i see you in a match, I am going to shoot your face off several times over.
I don't need all those rounds in my (prof 5) RR do you? If so maybe you should learn to aim?
RR in its current state = no skill spray and pray scrub weapon.
Ever time I kill someone with it I feel bad, and hope they don't think I'm too much of a scrub.
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Arcturis Vanguard
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
308
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:00:00 -
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Everything is OP and everything is a crutch. Nerf them all!!! Rainbows and butterflies for all:)
No seriously, make the game so everyone goes through each battle killing everyone in front of them and never losing their clone. No more QQ....EVER....
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:01:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:You know I used to honestly think that RR`s were ' overpowered' but to be perfectly honest I have come to the conclusion it is all down to 2 main things.
1. Personal skill in understanding the weapon / knowing the best plays with a weapon
2. The map.
I love to use the Laser Rifle but I find in the smaller maps it just really struggles to do as well, yet on the larger maps I absolutely LOVE the laser rifle.
Yea the Rail rifle and the Combat rifle are probably the two most used weapons but really, any of the primary weapons CAN do work.
The long range rr..and sce..should be as viable in cqc as the lr
.meaning that they need to be nerfed ..they over perform in cqc..they are supposed to be a medium long range..rifle like the lr...I'm hoping one day this will be fixed until then..when I close to cqc with my lr..i have to pull my sidearm..and its my sidearm vs a rr or scr....they do not suffer from the drawback the lr..and tac ar do..which is why they are more popular ..The suffer no weakness range wise vs the other medium long range rifles ..
Lr and tac ar Re effect medium and long range...rr and scr are effective cqc medium and long...thus they are in fact op....yeah you can do everything with rr
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:30:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop Awwwww wassamatter? Did somebody steal your dummy? Sorry... I meant did some bad man want to nerf your OP crutch? Poor you. Take a Valium. Its only a game. If its only game, then why you want to shorten the clip? Apply the same to your argument Derpity derp derp But hopefully i see you in a match, I am going to shoot your face off several times over. I don't need all those rounds in my (prof 5) RR do you? If so maybe you should learn to aim? RR in its current state = no skill spray and pray scrub weapon. Ever time I kill someone with it I feel bad, and hope they don't think I'm too much of a scrub.
LOL how pathetic!! Says it's just a game but continues on the shorten the clip rant.
Yep you right, my aim sucks
But I know one thing for sure
I would decimate you on the battlefield. How would that feel? Knowing that I can't aim and I still wreck your face complete with a DS3 I had since 2007?
Just remember, its just a game so don't get too mad.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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CharacterNameWasTaken
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:18:00 -
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Wow you had the rr for a year? Do you live in the future? |
limit rush
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.09.15 03:07:00 -
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The rr has funny hit detection and at times doesnt shoot vs laggy players so just end it now. Theres a reason these thread's don't get blue tags.
And you cant compare the rr to the laser since the laser is a secondary weapon and the rr is caldari main.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9380
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Posted - 2014.09.15 04:19:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:Rail rifles need a nerf to clip size to bring them in line with the TAR
No the hell they dont. People are insistent on nerfing RR into a prop Awwwww wassamatter? Did somebody steal your dummy? Sorry... I meant did some bad man want to nerf your OP crutch? Poor you. Take a Valium. Its only a game.
As a dedicated ninja knifer myself, I don't agree with nerfing the RR at all. I tried it out with the militia variant just to see for myself and so far it seems alright. At least for the militia variant. So far I have a stabbed a ton of RR users.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Henrietta Unknown
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
308
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Posted - 2014.09.15 05:11:00 -
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When picking off individual players at ranges with a commando, it works. But then I run into hordes of redberries.
Here's what: As soon as everyone sees that red caldari heavysuit, they know it's a massive target with the hP of an assault. I need to be able to pick reds off from those Ambush orgies. Hence I use two RR's even though I could have carried a SG to ward off the scouts who always get me. RR's take eternity to dig into decent players, and I'm running out of bullets in a single clip. Don't get me started on the charge-up mechanic...
Right now I'm making it work, but at a detriment to myself. If you're talking OP, consider the CR and BHMG. Getting killed by RR's? Flank or infiltrate using a scout suit and SG or chew me up with a flux and CR.
Verdict: RR balanced.
Henrietta Reborn
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
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Posted - 2014.09.15 07:37:00 -
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laser > rail |
Zindorak
1.U.P
907
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:06:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Zindorak wrote:I agree all i see is Kaalakiota RR on the kill feed and other weapons like BHMG but the RR could benifit from a kick increase so it will be harder to use this stupidly powerful weapon Compared with the ScR, the RR already kicks like a mule when aiming down sights. Your suggestion would make it worse in its prescribed niche.
But if CCP gave Cal Ass kick reduction.....
Pokemon master!
I suck at Tekken lol
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:But I know one thing for sure
I would decimate you on the battlefield. How would that feel? Knowing that I can't aim and I still wreck your face complete with a DS3 I had since 2007?
Delusional much?
Are you on an alt account? cos TBH that 1.54 KDR doesn't make me think that you're going to be decimating me or anyone on the battlefield anytime soon.
I mean, this is my low SP weapon test and 'isk grinding' account - runs solo ambush and only in adv gear and still has a 2.62.
Personally I think the only thing you're likely to 'wreck' on the battlefield is your underwear....
Alternatively come and prove me wrong... Find me in ambush, EU servers, most days between 17.30 and 00.00 (EVE time) |
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