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Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 899	Posted - 2014.09.13 14:27:00 - [1] - Quote I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
hfderrtgvcd 386	Posted - 2014.09.13 14:36:00 - [2] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) do you even pc brah? every single pc I've played in the last week they were at a minimum 3 ADS's. They also almost always had the highest kill count and kdr. This is with multiple people wth proto av fighting them. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3351	Posted - 2014.09.13 14:40:00 - [3] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) That's a lol statement to say the least. You may as well ask, "why do so many people in pubs use militia medium frames when STD assaults are better in every way?" Because they aren't skilled into them. If you are spec'd into level 5 of an assault suit, and always use assault, would you rather get Weaponry 5, Heavy Weapon Operation 3, Forge Gun Operation 1, Dropsuit Command 3, and one Basic Heavy Frame Dropsuit skill to 1, just to use a STD Forge on a STD dropsuit, or would you rather get Swarm Launcher Operation to 5 and bam, now you have PRO AV on a PRO dropsuit? SP Sinks? Fixed.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 608	Posted - 2014.09.13 17:55:00 - [4] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) do you even pc brah? every single pc I've played in the last week they were at a minimum 3 ADS's. They also almost always had the highest kill count and kdr. This is with multiple people wth proto av fighting them. He's in GAM, unless he's the ferry then of course he doesn't PC.
Shooter Somewhere Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 108	Posted - 2014.09.13 17:59:00 - [5] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) Oh yeah someone that gets it. buffing swarm speed is also another tank buff. Those things will be dished out like hot ****. HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3129	Posted - 2014.09.13 20:46:00 - [6] - Quote git gud Tanker/Logi/Assault
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 460	Posted - 2014.09.13 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote Waaaait... dedicated av is now arguing with other av... I can't wait for the 'nerf plasma cannon because it's better at killing shield vehicles than my swarm launcher' threads. Can I just say, as a pilot the change to swarms (if done properly) will actually be a good one... I don't think anyone liked having to just afterburn half way over your own redzone to avoid them, they should be avoided when popping behind a building after hotfix.
Atiim 12113	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote A Breakdown of the Original Post: 80% Anecdotal Evidence 43% Assertions Which Can Easily Be Dis-proven 42% Toupee Fallacy 29% Statistics Which Have No Actual Source Behind Them 24% Continuum Fallacy Please note that these values don't add up to 100% because much of these categories overlap with each-other. The first Matari Commando -HAND
Zindorak 1.U.P 905	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:19:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: A Breakdown of the Original Post: 80% Anecdotal Evidence 43% Assertions Which Can Easily Be Dis-proven 42% Toupee Fallacy 29% Statistics Which Have No Actual Source Behind Them 24% Continuum Fallacy Please note that these values don't add up to 100% because much of these categories overlap with each-other. Interesting Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3073	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:22:00 - [10] - Quote The tables flip with a good gunner ;) supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Atiim 12113	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Dust User wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) do you even pc brah? every single pc I've played in the last week they were at a minimum 3 ADS's. They also almost always had the highest kill count and kdr. This is with multiple people wth proto av fighting them. He's in GAM, unless he's the ferry then of course he doesn't PC. Indeed. Earlier in the week (I think Thursday?) I was fighting against Murphy's Law, and I was in the Biomass Outpost Socket on the tower by F-G12 defending Bravo with a MD, and I brought a Swarm Launcher with me because I knew an ADS would try to push me off. So I down an ADS about 2 Times, and then the other two flew in and destroyed pretty much everyone. Though I did manage to kill one of the ADS's a 3rd time when he landed to kill me. (I would've got him if I had a CR instead of MD tho) The first Matari Commando -HAND
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 52	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote Don't call me a noob or anything, but what is ADS? I haven't invested a single skill point in vehicles or turrets, I just use my LAV do get around. Does it stand for Aim Down Sight? I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
Atiim 12113	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:27:00 - [13] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Don't call me a noob or anything, but what is ADS? I haven't invested a single skill point in vehicles or turrets, I just use my LAV do get around. Does it stand for Aim Down Sight? Assault Dropship. They're those White Dropships that shoot missiles at people.0 The first Matari Commando -HAND
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 6	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) Going out on a limb here, but you must be talking about pub matches. At any rate, the good news is we have a dedicated ADS pilot on the CPM that does things like analyze actual numbers and post videos with reasonable thoughts and ideas that highlight the difficulty of balancing vehicles and AV; instead of pumping out a few sentences that constitute anecdotal opinions on the forums. Don't get me wrong though, forum entertainment is an important part of the ecosystem too, and your post is appreciated. Looking forward to being 2 shotted by your AFG soon if not already, because I almost always run with a single teammate. If I weren't a scrub and joined a proper corp I wouldn't fly my weak ass ADS without heavy hunters scouring the ground for you. :-)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16425	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote You have no idea. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Railgun =// Unlocked
Michael Arck 5544	Posted - 2014.09.13 21:59:00 - [16] - Quote In PC its a different story. I remember being a part of FG team tasked with keeping the dropships uncomfortable. In pubs, well not many knows how to fly one. But facing against (was it Derrith or the panty dropping beat man?) is a pain in my neck in pubs. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 505	Posted - 2014.09.13 22:03:00 - [17] - Quote They rule pubs because they're virtually indestructible against uncoordinated AV. A swarm launcher or two running around aimlessly looking for a lock on is not something a competent ADS pilot is going to struggle with, and missile turrets obliterate infantry and tanks with ease. But put them against a squad that cracks out the assault forge guns and..well...it's a spectacular light show, to say the least. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Atiim 12121	Posted - 2014.09.13 22:50:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: In PC its a different story. I remember being a part of FG team tasked with keeping the dropships uncomfortable. In pubs, well not many knows how to fly one. But facing against (was it Derrith or the panty dropping beat man?) is a pain in my neck in pubs. Derrith Erador is the Panty Dropping Beat Man. The first Matari Commando -HAND
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 611	Posted - 2014.09.13 22:56:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: But facing against (was it Derrith or the panty dropping beat man?) is a pain in my neck in pubs. They are the same guy. Edit: lol Atiim beat me to it.
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1362	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:02:00 - [20] - Quote Dust User wrote: He's in GAM, unless he's the ferry then of course he doesn't PC. dont be h8n on GAM m8 i'll have to come back just to #rekt you

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3382	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:05:00 - [21] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) You are such a liar > Check RND out here
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 236	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:06:00 - [22] - Quote ADS is #1 pub ez mode #2 cloak scout #3 heavy burst
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3382	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:10:00 - [23] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: They rule pubs because they're virtually indestructible against uncoordinated AV. A swarm launcher or two running around aimlessly looking for a lock on is not something a competent ADS pilot is going to struggle with, and missile turrets obliterate infantry and tanks with ease. QFT > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3382	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:11:00 - [24] - Quote hold that wrote: ADS is #1 pub ez mode #2 cloak scout #3 heavy burst QFT > Check RND out here
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2059	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:21:00 - [25] - Quote It's not the dropships, it's the pilots.
Zindorak 1.U.P 905	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:44:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mex-0 wrote: Don't call me a noob or anything, but what is ADS? I haven't invested a single skill point in vehicles or turrets, I just use my LAV do get around. Does it stand for Aim Down Sight? Assault Dropship. They're those White Dropships that shoot missiles at people.0 racist Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
Zindorak 1.U.P 905	Posted - 2014.09.13 23:45:00 - [27] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I would see 3-6 of them each match. If they were actually good, they wouldn't be killed by me within 10 seconds. If the were actually good, they would be FOTM. Except we don't see that. So why nerf them more with swarms Nerf? 1/4 matches I see one ADS. This one ADS no matter how skilled the pilot is usually dead to my 60k isk proto AFG fit. If that doesn't work, I two shot him from the redline with a proto railgun turret backed up with 3 complex DMG mods. If swarms were weak, why does 3/4 of the AV I run into swarms? (starter fits not included) Cuz those people with Swarms are scrubs and cant aim with a FG. Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3382	Posted - 2014.09.14 01:15:00 - [28] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: It's not the dropships, it's the pilots. of course it is .... put those same pilots in a myron with gunners and tell me if the results will be the same. > Check RND out here
Michael Arck 5549	Posted - 2014.09.14 01:34:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Michael Arck wrote: In PC its a different story. I remember being a part of FG team tasked with keeping the dropships uncomfortable. In pubs, well not many knows how to fly one. But facing against (was it Derrith or the panty dropping beat man?) is a pain in my neck in pubs. Derrith Erador is the Panty Dropping Beat Man. I shoulda had a V8 Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 615	Posted - 2014.09.14 02:45:00 - [30] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Dust User wrote: He's in GAM, unless he's the ferry then of course he doesn't PC. dont be h8n on GAM m8 i'll have to come back just to #rekt you You call it h8n, I call it truth.

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 2394	Posted - 2014.09.14 02:54:00 - [31] - Quote Suicide ramming militia dropships GO! > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 980	Posted - 2014.09.14 03:13:00 - [32] - Quote hold that wrote: ADS is #1 pub ez mode #2 cloak scout #3 heavy burst Piloting an ADS is easy? You've obviously never touched one before. All the people I've let test drive my ADS didn't think it was easy when they crashed and burned. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 52	Posted - 2014.09.14 14:35:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mex-0 wrote: Don't call me a noob or anything, but what is ADS? I haven't invested a single skill point in vehicles or turrets, I just use my LAV do get around. Does it stand for Aim Down Sight? Assault Dropship. They're those White Dropships that shoot missiles at people.0 Ah, gotcha. My encounters with them have been... unpleasant. I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.


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