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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:30:00 -
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No one mentioned the easiest weapon in the game, the LR
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:41:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:No one mentioned the easiest weapon in the game, the LR Laser Rifle. I've been lingering over that in the skill tree for a while now. If it's horribly OP and easymode hell I'll go into it...
If you have a mouse is so easy mode
as for horribly OP, you know how the HMG's are about 800 dps?
well this does over double that
at up to 80m range at full damage
0m-110m range effective range
its pretty silly, it was OP before it got its last buff
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:47:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:
If you have a mouse is so easy mode
as for horribly OP, you know how the HMG's are about 800 dps?
well this does over double that
at up to 80m range at full damage
0m-110m range effective range
its pretty silly, it was OP before it got its last buff
I've noticed a few more LR's and they do eat you up pretty quickly.
I might actually buy a 2nd keyboard for the ps3 and run kbm to show how stupid it is
it's stupid enough with a ds4, but the low framerate and lack of precision from a controller makes you miss quite a lot at long range
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:19:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:The thing everyone glosses over with the laser rifle is inside 30m the weapon rapidly loses efficacy.
In CQC it's about as threatening as a five year old with a damp sock.
Long range its a killer. At short range hope you have a good backup weapon cuz yer screwed.
In CQC is still does 70% efficacy (which is still 900 dps) at 15m and 40% efficacy at 0m, you don't realise how powerful the buffs made it
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al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp
Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol. The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here ..
its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp
While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:42:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol. The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here .. its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more It's not. BEtter imo.my last 20 rounds are worth more than the commando dmg. But I still don't think it effects the multiplier ....your telling. This dude to put one of the hardest guns to use ona suit that will make it worthless lol . Your saying that commando raises viziam dmg modifier from 1.04 to 1.144..only ccp could say as the stats invisible
the 10% bonus on commando isnt affected by stacking, which is where your maths breaks down (otherwise you would be correct and the assault would always be better than commando)
Commando 1*1.1*1.07 = 1.177
Assault 1*1.07*1.0581*1.0364 = 1.17378 (~1.174)
so for 1/3rd of the fitting cost of the upgrades, the commando still gets about +0.5% over the assault
Generally i wouldn't use the 3rd damage mod on the assault and put something homosexual like a shield extender on, i dont think a 3% damage boost after stacking really warrents 9 PG, so i normally put something else there, at which point the commando gets +4% over the assault
now factor in the fact that the commando's single superior damage mod also applies to a 2nd weapon, its just an extremely efficient suit if you can get over the god awful speed
and yes, the 20 rounds at the end of the heat capacity is tonnes more powerful than 4%, but it takes a good amount of time for the the damage to ramp to that level, generally shield suits are dead long before that point
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:52:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De
its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp
While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more It's not. BEtter imo.my last the 10% bonus on commando isnt affected by stacking, which is where your maths breaks down (otherwise you would be correct and the assault would always be better than commando) Commando 1*1.1*1.07 = 1.177 Assault 1*1.07*1.0581*1.0364 = 1.17378 (~1.174) so for 1/3rd of the fitting cost of the upgrades, the commando still gets about +0.5% over the assault Generally i wouldn't use the 3rd damage mod on the assault and put something homosexual like a shield extender on, i dont think a 3% damage boost after stacking really warrents 9 PG, so i normally put something else there, at which point the commando gets +4% over the assault now factor in the fact that the commando's single superior damage mod also applies to a 2nd weapon, its just an extremely efficient suit if you can get over the god awful speed and yes, the 20 rounds at the end of the heat capacity is tonnes more powerful than 4%, but it takes a good amount of time for the the damage to ramp to that level, generally shield suits are dead long before that point[/quote wrote:
Damage mods don't effect the modifier...Neither does the commando bonus
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1920473
Quote:Damage Modifier (Equipment and Skill) Efficiency
Damage mod testing and proficiency skill testing indicated that they raised the total damage according to the percent they affected damage. So they are working as expected.
This was all tested and proven that damage mods and skills affect all aspects of the laser rifle, including the beam ramp
This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:06:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort
Doesn't matter even if your right The assault is still definitively better..20 extra rounds + it has a better tank.
And I didn't give them the stats for the lr my master did this lovely amarian slave only knows what her mistress reaches her[/quote]
Yes, i agree with you the assault is better with the 20 extra rounds
the problem is those 20 extra rounds are at the end, the small extra damage from the commando plus the bonused 2nd weapon is much more powerful vs targets that dont need those +20 rounds (non heavies basically)
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