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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.10 20:38:00 -
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If you can handle the truth it has more to do with the majority of people NOT being in squads or ever doing anything to incorporate squad/team work into their gameplay.
Squad/team play is one of the best parts of Dust. I'll never figure out why soooooooo many people complain about getting beaten by squads but never join a corp that can provide decent squads.
I could get behind removing squads and vehicles in regular ambush (but tightening up the maps). It's good to be able to play solo, but I'll never get mad if I get wrecked by a squad WHILE I'm solo.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4621
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Posted - 2014.09.10 20:40:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches?
I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp.
Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same.
Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile.
This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4622
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:09:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:Is the cause of pubstomps allowing squads in public matches?
I mean people complain about protostomping, but I really think if you put nyan san in a bunch of militia suits they would still be able to pubstomp.
Without 6 people focus firing though... well lets just say everyone bleeds the same.
Here's the point: If we were all in militia gear, and Nyain was still stomping the crap out of everybody, it wouldn't make me want to quit playing. It would make me want to get gud. What CCP has utterly, completely failed to understand is that there is a difference between getting 'outplayed', and getting 'outgeared'. Getting outplayed with smart tactics makes players want to improve their own game. Getting outgeared, aka protostomped, makes people ragequit, never to play again, and that is because they recognize no matter how much practice you put in, it's probably futile. This is the biggest difference between the playerbase now and the playerbase during beta. People tried to figure out how to beat the people that beat them instead of trying to get the variety and force multipliers in Dust nerfed. True, but during beta (at least open beta, I never played closed), SP accrual was accelerated so that people could get into gear quicker. After the big reset, the speed of SP accrual got dialed back, so it's harder to get into the gear you need to face the big protostomping squads, unless you no-life Dust for a bit. And plus, it was beta, so there was more tolerance of this kind of B.S. I've been thinking lately that the simplest solution to the problem of protostomping is simply a substantial increase in payouts, enough so that everybody can run whatever level of gear they want full-time. At least then, you'll know the reason you got beat was because you got outplayed or were not playing tactically in a squad, not because you couldn't afford the right gear. There's no economy to jack up anymore, so who gives a **** how much ISK anybody has?
Increasing payouts would go a LONG way.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:30:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:i run solo and no offense nyain is not a problem, now fa and saluki are i see 6 of them i know to just leave battle, not because lack of skill on my part but because lack of skill of blueberries who run silly fits or militia fits.
A lot of players problem is they don't enjoy firing their gun, they just wander about looking for stuff to hack or equipment to destroy or they sit on a tower with militia sniper and don't get a single kill. now if they was to actually slap on some ewar and just go hunting they would a lot better but sadly they think "well it took 2 seconds for them to kill me so if i add this 100hp i might survive long enough to kill them" next encounter they die in 3 seconds
This is why I don't logi much in pubs. There's never enough bullets going toward red dots.
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PSN: wbrom42
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