Scouts agile because they are scouts. You have to plan your shots better.

KBM? Thats the new excuse? A KBM used in Dust has no efficiency compared to PC games. Im willibg to bet that those who ise KBM only use it for sniping and tanks.

I disagree with nerfing strafe speeds.

Scouts agile because they are scouts. You have to plan your shots better.

KBM? Thats the new excuse? A KBM used in Dust has no efficiency compared to PC games. Im willibg to bet that those who ise KBM only use it for sniping and tanks.

I disagree with nerfing strafe speeds.

Nobody ever plans their shots in a game with a zero sum momentum shift built into the netcode.


To make that clear -- you're going one way, or you're going the other. The netcode doesn't bother to show you slowing down your turn or shifting slowly. This makes movement observations erratic as hell and impossible to predict unless the strafer in question is doing an absolutely terrible job and simply goes back and fourth with exact muscle memory and no deviation.


Classic arena shooters like Quake and UT figured this out early and solved the problem by introducing weapons with slower moving projectiles. This effectively "filled space" and denied where an enemy could move, thus making an enemies path more predictable as he could only move in certain areas without willingly hurting himself. The greatest achievement in this regard was the Shock Rifle.

Games that do NOT have a zero sum momentum shift are those like Halo -- you can actually observe your enemy slowing down from left to right, and even in the case of circle strafing the smaller movements are noticeable, albeit still delayed. This has to be done with a much slower strafe speed however.

Dust is actually in the worst position possible. Nearly all projectiles are super fast moving or hitscan, and strafe speed is incredibly fast. Competitively this would make it something of a running joke, except the frame rate is so bad that such issues are already overshadowed.

But, uh, yes. It does make scouts kinda OP.

KBM? Thats the new excuse? A KBM used in Dust has no efficiency compared to PC games. Im willibg to bet that those who ise KBM only use it for sniping and tanks.

I remember the strafe speed increase was a mistake on CCPs part and they decided to keep it, but at that time, scouts didn't have cloaks, and suits had pretty low HP, so strafing was kinda good for surviving.

yeah it does get annoying that heavies strafe

This has been here for quite some time, and its really annoying.

Now that most of the suits have changed I think the strafe speed should decrease.
I think that decreasing the strafe speed to 0.75 x movement speed should work wonders.

The problems it solves are:

• Invincible strafing scouts (Kinda nerf to scouts)
• Annoying KBM users
• A better gun game

I remember the strafe speed increase was a mistake on CCPs part and they decided to keep it, but at that time, scouts didn't have cloaks, and suits had pretty low HP, so strafing was kinda good for surviving.

But now we have 1500+ HP heavies, 600+ HP scouts, 800+ HP assaults, that just keep strafing; making it impossible to kill them.

Please think about this.

in the months i played dust i recall a total of 5 times where i believe i was in a situation where i was outstrafed. (me half way up a hill sticking to terrain and my opponent up top looking down) and maybe 2 were kbm. none were scouts.

strafing is fine. its a valid fps tactic that was temporarily lost to antiquity because of cod, its not some cheat.
now if we want to get to the subject of turning speed. a heavy shouldnt be able to turn as fast as a light suit but thats unrelated.

It is a cheat in every way considering it exists to use and because of broken mechanics and it was not "lost because of COD" it's gone because as a crude gimmick of otherwise unpolished games of old it existed as a desperate attempt to add however little depth they could with the undeveloped techniques of gameplay crafting in days past as it undermines skill in what is supposed to be tactical shooter not some crappy arena shooter who have been thankfully laid to rest