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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 805	Posted - 2014.09.08 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote since ccp went back on what they said about buffing logi and commando i have seen and experienced an even deeper lack of logi on the field more so then just after charlie hit and make assault a better choose to play then logi for most people.. am i the only one feeling this? ps scouts with needles and uplinks dont count [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Atiim 11967	Posted - 2014.09.08 14:56:00 - [2] - Quote You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 805	Posted - 2014.09.08 15:03:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. im not playing sentinel. its been open maps where sentinels are not viable with out being a murder taxi.. must be the time of day but there has been barely 1 uplink per match sofar for me.. playing on a non logi alt so im feeling this heavly compared to when im playing my logi [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2894	Posted - 2014.09.08 15:10:00 - [4] - Quote Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 805	Posted - 2014.09.08 15:24:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2660	Posted - 2014.09.08 15:29:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish No they aren't. They're just easier to deal with.
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.09.08 15:32:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. This and even if I have no gun game, its more fun to shoot at scrub heavies.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1414	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: Atiim wrote: You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. This and even if I have no gun game, its more fun to shoot at scrub heavies. There are some not even Road K1ll could help. Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish Sentinels are only useless on domination if the enemy either doesn't have the objective or doesn't push for it. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1091	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:28:00 - [9] - Quote I'd run them more but when you can be insta-gibbed by an invisible scout well it's not really worth the isk. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1171	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:45:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. Not only that but it's the scouts man ... the scouts and once there is balance we won't have any of these issues . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .

Jace Kaisar 161	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Go into PC without Logi's and tell me how you do I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost Before you ask, yes this is me.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2896	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish Acquire burst HMG + Amarr sentinel Acquire MIL LAV Drive between objectives Full scale genocide ??? Win at Dust 514 He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1091	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:25:00 - [13] - Quote Jace Kaisar wrote: Go into PC without Logi's and tell me how you do People still PC? Whats there to fight for in a dead end game? Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 806	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:29:00 - [14] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I'd run them more but when you can be insta-gibbed by an invisible scout well it's not really worth the isk. insta gibbed by an invisible scout with like 800+ ehp you mean. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 573	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:30:00 - [15] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Jace Kaisar wrote: Go into PC without Logi's and tell me how you do People still PC? Whats there to fight for in a dead end game? PC is the only thing to do in this game. Much funner matches than any pub can offer.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7510	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:42:00 - [16] - Quote Actual logis have always been a rare site, whether it's an utility based logi or module based logi a lot of people usually want to be slayers and then cry about it in a logistics suit. Sure you can kill, but they dont realize that's not the suits primary role. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2025	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:47:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish Acquire burst HMG + Amarr sentinel Acquire MIL LAV Drive between objectives Full scale genocide ??? Win at Dust 514 Until someone pulls out a MLT swarm...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2896	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Until someone pulls out a MLT swarm... Seriously, the heavy/LAV thing isn't a big issue. Drive fast and hop out quickly. MIL LAV's lost to swarm launchers (of any tier) to date: 0. ... let's not talk about RE's... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:02:00 - [19] - Quote Jace Kaisar wrote: Go into PC without Logi's and tell me how you do There's a term for the kind of player we're not seeing much of in the matches. It's "Artificer". Artificers were arguably 'invented' by this game---I say that because I can't remember of any of the other FPSs I've played actively encouraging players to take on the job of supporting and resupplying fellow players, using equipment you have to spend TONS of game-time just to earn and restock. The role is pretty weird and very rare. That's what makes Jace Kaiser's post pretty truthful (...and kudos to your character name, Jace. Nice New Eden style to it). Once your fellow players start trying to travel a LARGE game board like the PC boards, the "logistics" of transporting players efficiently, resupplying them without a Supply Depot around, and keeping armour repaired (because a CRU is too far away to allow half your squad to regen and catch up to you again)... the LOGI of Artificers becomes a necessity. Pub match maps are so compact, Logi expertise is not necessary. Useful, yes, and WELCOMED by your buddies, yes. But still NOT critically needy the way it is in PC matches. Since our logi gear is critically-expensive, players like myself will still stubbornly continue to be Artificers in Pubs---but we'll resort to the option of using just standard or advance support gear. Also, Pub Matches have long since melted down into an imp party, where the game-win or null-hack is almost becoming secondary, and what's primary is grabbing a cloak, knife or Sniper Rifle to "hunt the weak/ the repper/ the medic guy/ the equipment girl". Don't mistake it, we're still doing Logi work in your fights, but if I'm any example, we're not getting caught using those yellow-marking stuff as much, or walking as obvious targets behind heavies as much. I do player repping LESS, and do uplink planting early in match MORE, and rep vehicles OUTSIDE the fight more. I'm just not doing the HIGH-VISIBILITY logi tasks any more, not splurging away my logi suits and equipment as much. It's just not financially wise. And like the smartest EVE capsuleers, we gotta manage our fights like a financial business too, if we don't want to be stuck running hustles on fellow players to con some wallet ISK out of them. ehh, um...I don't know how Dust 514 will finish, but I know the one way I am NOT going to finish this game as is, POOR :roll:], LOL. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:09:00 - [20] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Who needs logistics support when sentinels insta-gib everyone with burst HMG's? sentinels are useless on domination or multipoint skirmish ...hahahahaha, no. The only part of this game a heavy is useless should be Ambush because of vehicle limit. No excuses, you're just bad otherwise.

SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:10:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Actual logis have always been a rare site, whether it's an utility based logi or module based logi a lot of people usually want to be slayers and then cry about it in a logistics suit. Sure you can kill, but they dont realize that's not the suits primary role. Not true, they were abundant in Open beta when everyone was WP farming for there first Proto :D It's when people first discovered too many items on the field caused major lag, lol.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 929	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:13:00 - [22] - Quote Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying. Nah, it's just most players aren't very good and need every CPU/PG they can get to do battle with, they aren't wasting points on Hives, Injectors, and Links because none of those things will make there end game scoreboard look any less pathetic against vets going 30/0 like it's nothing.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1217	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:30:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying. While PRO reps are obviously the best.. that does not mean they are needed in pubs I logi when no one else is active to do so and Heavies are active in squad.. If it is pub match, I will likely run a basic rep tool.. because I use a 'pub' logi fit Note I have Proto Logi gear... but don't feel my Heavies should be carried by it in pubs Mercs never seem to realize that hiding behind a sentinel with a core reptool is the logistics equivalent Of a Scout tossing Boundless RE's or that Assault stomping with Kaalakiota.. either way it's abusing PRO gear in a pub Yet Logi's feel exempt to this as they 'need' the equipment for support.. LIES it's a crutch If you can't be bothered to perform a squad support role..... then don't If you want to solo while performing a squad support role... don't cry when the others let you die If you want to run PRO reptools on basic/adv suits then I am glad the Scout killed you first.. If you still feel Logi's are lacking in combat compared to other suits then... 50 points to You Sir! A Logistics is only worth as much as the squad he is supporting... if you want to lonewolf a support role.. GL Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:32:00 - [25] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying. While PRO reps are obviously the best.. that does not mean they are needed in pubs hERSEY! BURN THE WITCH-LOGI!
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1217	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:33:00 - [26] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: TheD1CK wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying. While PRO reps are obviously the best.. that does not mean they are needed in pubs hERSEY! BURN THE WITCH-LOGI! Lol.. but stompers will always disagree, even if they have retired Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1626	Posted - 2014.09.08 19:39:00 - [27] - Quote logis doing their role are in my opinion currently the weakest survivability with the most expensive fittings costs. this is why i have been sat out here in the real world on the sidelines waiting for something to be done about it. my main focus in dust is the logi bro so when my role became virtually pointless (in my opinion) i had no choice but to stop playing it. there may be others out there with this same feeling. we are just waiting for our role to become viable again. i do play every now and then as other roles but its just not the same. All Hail Legion
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4017	Posted - 2014.09.08 21:56:00 - [28] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Pub logis are tired of getting shot in the back and being nothing more than a speed bump to the scout going after their heavy. It simply costs too much isk to lose 10 proto rep tools attempting to keep their heavy alive. There is a new rep logi being born from this but I will let you figure out what it is. If you want a logi now you have to get them in squad and convince them you are not going to lead them into a death trap where they get no rewards before dying. Don't worry, deez, I'm still around, at least a few nights a week. The heavies just need to call out their locations a little better, I'm usually busy trying to keep tactical control of the map and need a little kick in the butt to snap out of my uplink trance and follow them around a bit. (Though tomorrow is Sept 9th, so... hmm...) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 197	Posted - 2014.09.08 22:47:00 - [29] - Quote We are a dying breed. I agree with alot of what you guys have said. I personally feel that Scout514, and the mass transition of Dusts player base into scout roles had a lot to do with this. 1. We lost a few logis in the suit respec 2. A large portion of players in our squads are Scouts - whilst it is possible to make a scout logi companion we aren't really needed like we used to be. 3. A large portion of reds are scouts- Logis have very little defense against scouts. We are slower, there is no way to set up a logi suit to be able to pick up all scouts, we are the first target and one shot kills with knives or shot guns means that there is no time for our partner to help keep us alive. 4. With the increases in scout related deaths the cost of running a logi is high $$$$$ Ps. I hate scouts.
Jace Kaisar 175	Posted - 2014.09.08 23:35:00 - [30] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: We are a dying breed. I agree with alot of what you guys have said. I personally feel that Scout514, and the mass transition of Dusts player base into scout roles had a lot to do with this. 1. We lost a few logis in the suit respec 2. A large portion of players in our squads are Scouts - whilst it is possible to make a scout logi companion we aren't really needed like we used to be. 3. A large portion of reds are scouts- Logis have very little defense against scouts. We are slower, there is no way to set up a logi suit to be able to pick up all scouts, we are the first target and one shot kills with knives or shot guns means that there is no time for our partner to help keep us alive. 4. With the increases in scout related deaths the cost of running a logi is high $$$$$ Ps. I hate scouts. Not to mention the fact that most scouts realize that killing the logi's is the best way to cripple the other team. If I see an Assault, Heavy, and Logi moving together, I'll go for the logi 10 times out of 10. Even if there are easier or closer targets. I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost Before you ask, yes this is me.

Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2125	Posted - 2014.09.08 23:36:00 - [31] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: logis doing their role are in my opinion currently the weakest survivability with the most expensive fittings costs. this is why i have been sat out here in the real world on the sidelines waiting for something to be done about it. my main focus in dust is the logi bro so when my role became virtually pointless (in my opinion) i had no choice but to stop playing it. there may be others out there with this same feeling. we are just waiting for our role to become viable again. i do play every now and then as other roles but its just not the same. Complex Light Damage Mods getting a forty percent improvement in hotfix Charlie is going to be the last nail in the coffin for other serious Logistic players. I've had basic Rail Rifles swiftly cut down my Logistics ALT, if cover is near there is still a chance. I've had Scrambler Rifles instagib me with no chance to do anything. The most morbidly funny aspect to this is CCP Rattati doesn't think there is a problem. His closest answer is CPU/grid/slot reviews. I don't like being forced to fit at least two shield extenders on all Logi fits. Upgrading enhanced to complex isn't enough, not to mention elevating the cost to deploy doesn't help. Likes are my candy and in these forums every day is Halloween. XD Sweets for everyone! Forums > Game
Michael Arck 5440	Posted - 2014.09.08 23:51:00 - [32] - Quote Everyone wants to be a assault scout it seems. Plus ever since they took away my armor rep built into the CalLogi suit, I don't even bother using a logi anymore. In this time period of the game, its not worth it being a logi unless you have an exceptionally good Sentinel to reap all the WP benefits from. LOL @ seeing a cloaked logi with just a shotgun the other day. I had to send him an email (Cloaked Shotty Logi? Really?). Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Sgt Buttscratch Algintal Core 2380	Posted - 2014.09.09 00:10:00 - [33] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: since ccp went back on what they said about buffing logi and commando i have seen and experienced an even deeper lack of logi on the field more so then just after charlie hit and make assault a better choose to play then logi for most people.. am i the only one feeling this? ps scouts with needles and uplinks dont count My logi has retired, the current state of the game doesn't allow for rep logis, or to be more precise making money as a rep logi. Scout logi is the logical version. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 37	Posted - 2014.09.09 03:45:00 - [34] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: since ccp went back on what they said about buffing logi and commando i have seen and experienced an even deeper lack of logi on the field more so then just after charlie hit and make assault a better choose to play then logi for most people.. am i the only one feeling this? ps scouts with needles and uplinks dont count And to think I remember a time when people wined about Logis and how many war points they earned. Ah the tables have turned.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1104	Posted - 2014.09.09 07:55:00 - [35] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: logis doing their role are in my opinion currently the weakest survivability with the most expensive fittings costs. this is why i have been sat out here in the real world on the sidelines waiting for something to be done about it. my main focus in dust is the logi bro so when my role became virtually pointless (in my opinion) i had no choice but to stop playing it. there may be others out there with this same feeling. we are just waiting for our role to become viable again. i do play every now and then as other roles but its just not the same. Complex Light Damage Mods getting a forty percent improvement in hotfix Charlie is going to be the last nail in the coffin for other serious Logistic players. I've had basic Rail Rifles swiftly cut down my Logistics ALT, if cover is near there is still a chance. I've had Scrambler Rifles instagib me with no chance to do anything. The most morbidly funny aspect to this is CCP Rattati doesn't think there is a problem. His closest answer is CPU/grid/slot reviews. I don't like being forced to fit at least two shield extenders on all Logi fits. Upgrading enhanced to complex isn't enough, not to mention elevating the cost to deploy doesn't help. Rattatai openly bragged that he runs assault,that is why logistics is ok in his opinion. As soon as i saw him bragging i knew logistics was doomed. Apparently he forgot Dust isn't supposed to be an ordinary FPS,it's supposed to be deeper and actually connected with EVE. But,hey if he wants Dust to be just another 'copy-and-paste' FPS where support is an after thought,that's on him. As to the OP... Squads of people i run with usually have swapped to scouts and assaults,neither of which i can keep up with usually. Even if i do,i get OHK by almost anything and this leaves me usually very far away and unable to regroup. I've had to straight up abandon allies because i know as soon as i'm seen enemies will be foaming at the mouth to kill me. MLT frames strolling through allies unloading on me while i'm repping,lolscouts throwing frisbees at my feet from 15m away killing only me. Scouts diving into a whole squad strafing through RR CR and HMG bullets taking 0 damage to kill me and escape unscathed. Being surrounded by allies and a RR user snipping me out easily. Being killed by stray shots. Scouts having 2 equipment and still having 2 weapons,yet Cal logistics loses a weapon and stats to do the same thing. Yes,it has gotten ridiculous and CCP hates logistics enough not to care. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1025	Posted - 2014.09.09 09:54:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: You rarely see Logis because most Sentinels are scrubs and relying on them will surely get you killed. For the second time in the history of this game I have to agree with you.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 298	Posted - 2014.09.09 10:25:00 - [37] - Quote i'm in favor of lowering the cost of proto and advanced equipment (remotes excluded raise the price of them bad boys), increase wp earned from hives, uplinks, scanners, and rep tools if used in a logi suit, put a cap on deployable equipment (4 per type excluding proximity explosives and remotes), and increased isk payout for wp earned. "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 841	Posted - 2014.09.09 10:58:00 - [38] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: since ccp went back on what they said about buffing logi and commando i have seen and experienced an even deeper lack of logi on the field more so then just after charlie hit and make assault a better choose to play then logi for most people.. am i the only one feeling this? ps scouts with needles and uplinks dont count Slow, lite armor, lots of lop sided fights mean destroyed equipment. High cost for even low end logi. Unless they follow fatties they instadie. CCP <3. My only complaint was vehicles.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 233	Posted - 2014.09.09 11:01:00 - [39] - Quote the only thing i run is logi, pubs all day, i just refuse to rep mlt heavies
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 84	Posted - 2014.09.09 11:47:00 - [40] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: since ccp went back on what they said about buffing logi and commando i have seen and experienced an even deeper lack of logi on the field more so then just after charlie hit and make assault a better choose to play then logi for most people.. am i the only one feeling this? ps scouts with needles and uplinks dont count no most people like me who are vets and still play this game have a logi they can use. you are just not in the right squad

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1113	Posted - 2014.09.09 14:25:00 - [41] - Quote Burst HMG's and Cloakef Shotties means that heavies either live or die quickly, no attrition or the need for reps, not much chance of them defending you or you defending yourself either. Ewar scouts means that uplinks are found and destroyed as quickly as they can be laid down or your own team has the scouts and controls the area so no need for replacing links and hives. Scouts now have two equipment slots and are better at everything else and the logi bonuses aren't worth the sacrifice so most people who played logi quit, I know I did. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1113	Posted - 2014.09.09 14:27:00 - [42] - Quote Of course,mostly I quit because 1.7 gave me a hatred for vehicles and killing them is my main source of fun now. Because, that's why.


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