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Leanna Boghin wrote:

I saw this bit in another thread I read a bit ago and I have to admit the guy is absolutely correct. CCP needs to lay off and allow the players to pave the way for the game not the other way around.

Temba Fusrodah wrote:

The real pity is that CCP is so intent upon forcing people to play the way they want us to play instead of embracing the way we want to play.

I guess Hillmar really did not learn as much as I thought he did in his jet can mining, ship borrowing experience.

So if I can not find five other good players to squad up with then my gaming experience should suck? How is this good for the game? Getting a good squad to play with consistently is not that easy, depending on your rl schedule and time zone, why does CCP insist on punishing us for that fact?

I would just like to note that CCP consistantly insists on forcing their game play strategies on us. All these nerfs and buffs will benefit CCPs way of playing this game instead of allowing us to play as we see fit. So thumbs up to Temba.

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Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 428	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:31:00 - [1] - Quote I saw this bit in another thread I read a bit ago and I have to admit the guy is absolutely correct. CCP needs to lay off and allow the players to pave the way for the game not the other way around. Temba Fusrodah wrote: The real pity is that CCP is so intent upon forcing people to play the way they want us to play instead of embracing the way we want to play. I guess Hillmar really did not learn as much as I thought he did in his jet can mining, ship borrowing experience. So if I can not find five other good players to squad up with then my gaming experience should suck? How is this good for the game? Getting a good squad to play with consistently is not that easy, depending on your rl schedule and time zone, why does CCP insist on punishing us for that fact? I would just like to note that CCP consistantly insists on forcing their game play strategies on us. All these nerfs and buffs will benefit CCPs way of playing this game instead of allowing us to play as we see fit. So thumbs up to Temba. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 628	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote Except the main reason for the nerfs/buffs is that some items are vastly over performing compared to others, making the optimal way to play narrower than what CCP wants Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Thurak1 Psygod9 975	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:51:00 - [3] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Except the main reason for the nerfs/buffs is that some items are vastly over performing compared to others, making the optimal way to play narrower than what CCP wants Which is why the shotgun scout and burst hmg user are what dominate the game right now.
Kin Cat Another Clone in the Wall 10	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:54:00 - [4] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: CCP's hotfix charlie "tweak" is why burst hmg user are what dominate the game right now. Fixed
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 428	Posted - 2014.09.03 09:54:00 - [5] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Except the main reason for the nerfs/buffs is that some items are vastly over performing compared to others, making the optimal way to play narrower than what CCP wants Its only out performing when you dont have to skill into it and you can ** protos with it otherwise why fix what isnt broken? Look at sniper rifles (prime example) they want to nerf range because people are saying that sniper range is forcing us into the redline when its really the map design that forces us to snipe in the redline. CCP doesnt like something so they nerf it. If CCP tries something and it doesnt work to THEIR advantage they change it to suit their play style instead of allowing the players to choose for them what they want to play. Thats why CCP isnt making any money off this game. I mean who wants to pay money for a dictated game? I sure dont, I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off**
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16332	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:09:00 - [6] - Quote What CCP wants Options A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z are viable and are equal value What OP wants ONLY OPTIONS B E F I L O Y Are viable, any other letter is scrub tier and should quit the game if picked. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 429	Posted - 2014.09.03 10:17:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: What CCP wants Options A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z are viable and are equal value What OP wants ONLY OPTIONS B E F I L O Y Are viable, any other letter is scrub tier and should quit the game if picked. If CCP wanted options then why put certain bonuses on certain suits (racial bonuses) Why not make seperate skills that allow you to utilize that bonus for any suit? Allowing more customizations in game. Because CCP wants us to play the game their way. They are forcing us to customize our suits in such a specific way that we have no choice but to do so to be efficient on the battle field because if we play our way we get wrecked and raped and stomped. So again i agree with Temba CCP is forcing their way of playing this game onto us instead of allowing us to pave the way. BTW dont troll on my thread again i will report you for it and yes you are trolling. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16335	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:38:00 - [8] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: What CCP wants Options A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z are viable and are equal value What OP wants ONLY OPTIONS B E F I L O Y Are viable, any other letter is scrub tier and should quit the game if picked. If CCP wanted options then why put certain bonuses on certain suits (racial bonuses) Why not make seperate skills that allow you to utilize that bonus for any suit? Allowing more customizations in game. Because CCP wants us to play the game their way. They are forcing us to customize our suits in such a specific way that we have no choice but to do so to be efficient on the battle field because if we play our way we get wrecked and raped and stomped. So again i agree with Temba CCP is forcing their way of playing this game onto us instead of allowing us to pave the way. BTW dont troll on my thread again i will report you for it and yes you are trolling. WITHOUT And WOUTHIT and are read the same; point being? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 756	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:41:00 - [9] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: I saw this bit in another thread I read a bit ago and I have to admit the guy is absolutely correct. CCP needs to lay off and allow the players to pave the way for the game not the other way around. Temba Fusrodah wrote: The real pity is that CCP is so intent upon forcing people to play the way they want us to play instead of embracing the way we want to play. I guess Hillmar really did not learn as much as I thought he did in his jet can mining, ship borrowing experience. So if I can not find five other good players to squad up with then my gaming experience should suck? How is this good for the game? Getting a good squad to play with consistently is not that easy, depending on your rl schedule and time zone, why does CCP insist on punishing us for that fact? I would just like to note that CCP consistantly insists on forcing their game play strategies on us. All these nerfs and buffs will benefit CCPs way of playing this game instead of allowing us to play as we see fit. So thumbs up to Temba. actually the nerfs and buffs are what the community wants not what ccp wants to push [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Atiim 11823	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:44:00 - [10] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: If CCP wanted options then why put certain bonuses on certain suits (racial bonuses) Why not make seperate skills that allow you to utilize that bonus for any suit? Allowing more customizations in game. Because CCP wants us to play the game their way. They are forcing us to customize our suits in such a specific way that we have no choice but to do so to be efficient on the battle field because if we play our way we get wrecked and raped and stomped. So again i agree with Temba CCP is forcing their way of playing this game onto us instead of allowing us to pave the way. BTW dont troll on my thread again i will report you for it and yes you are trolling. These bonuses don't force you to use your suits in a specific way, but encourage and reward you for using them with their intended frame. For example. let's take the Minmatar Assault's bonus. It increases the Clip Size of both Combat Rifles and SMGs. Even though you get a bonus to it, you can still run other weapons to great effect, such as a Rail/MSMG combo; you'll just be better off with a CR/SMG combo. If we were able to use the Operation Skills from one suit on others, I'd simply stack my MinAssault's Clip Bonus and my MinSent's Resistance Bonus onto my MinCom. I'll leave you to think about how broken that would be. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 756	Posted - 2014.09.03 11:47:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: What CCP wants Options A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z are viable and are equal value What OP wants ONLY OPTIONS B E F I L O Y Are viable, any other letter is scrub tier and should quit the game if picked. i agree.. its like how scouts are still seemingly OP with stacked tanks Rifles+knives and not showing up on tacnet with out running some kind of Ewar or gal logi+active scanner, oh wait that last bit is defunked as cloaked scouts are basically unscannable!.. Amarr sentinel+burst HMG at like 2200-2300 EHP at proto is the new "go to" for OP FOTMness on most maps with inclosed spaces.. Rail rifles, ScR and amarr assault too Madruger+proto gear ADS+proto gear if you dont run any of this you are in the "scrub tier" [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 433	Posted - 2014.09.03 12:02:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: actually the nerfs and buffs are what the community wants not what ccp wants to push I have yet to see a nerf that the community wanted. All the nerfs and buffs people are suggested are tossed to the side and CCP ends up nerfing and buffing the stuff the way they want instead of the way we the community have suggested. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 433	Posted - 2014.09.03 12:05:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Then why not just remove the racial bonuses all together and put everyone on an equal tier (role wise) instead of having some that really want to play the way they want but get **** out of bonuses for trying to be original while the rest get a rewarded for being CCP's class pet and running what CCP expects them to run. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off**
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 933	Posted - 2014.09.03 12:53:00 - [14] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: I would just like to note that CCP consistantly insists on forcing their game play strategies on us. All these nerfs and buffs will benefit CCPs way of playing this game instead of allowing us to play as we see fit. So thumbs up to Temba. CCP put out a framework for the players to utilize; a collection of races, suits, equipment, modules and weapons that could be readily swapped and replaced (in most cases) at will to suit the player's wants and needs. Like any game in existence, a small portion of users are dedicated to squeezing every last bit of advantage they can out of the game by exploiting whatever mechanics they can to their benefit. Thus you'll see the brief moments of variety in the game before someone figures out what's "OP" at the current moment in time and others will flock to the same builds. Allowing the players to play as they see fit would likely result in 90% of the players running carbon-copy builds while the others goof off and try to make life miserable for everyone else. CCP isn't trying to force us to play in a certain way; they're trying to give us a wide swath of viable alternatives, with the unfortunate result being that it's incredibly difficult to balance dozens of variables at the same time, thus the need for constant fixing. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 230	Posted - 2014.09.03 14:46:00 - [15] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Atiim wrote: Then why not just remove the racial bonuses all together and put everyone on an equal tier (role wise) instead of having some that really want to play the way they want but get **** out of bonuses for trying to be original while the rest get a rewarded for being CCP's class pet and running what CCP expects them to run. Because CCP giving bonuses for how they suggest a suit is supposed to be used. Why would you give an E-war bonus to a heavy when they supposed to tank damage and dish it back 10 fold? That doesn't mean it you can't E-war stack your heavy, but why should it be more viable than a scout stacking E-war modules. If every suit could do everything every other suit could do then choices would be pointless. "Why would I skill into a heavy when I can tank my logi and throw on a triple damage modded (insert light weapon here)?" because heavies are built to tank more damage than every other suit. The same thing could be said about other suits and their roles. If you want to run the (whatever suit) with (whatever mods that don't follow the suit's role) go ahead, but why should it be as viable as (whatever suit that is being used for its intended role)? Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?**
Dj grammer New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.09.03 14:49:00 - [16] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Except the main reason for the nerfs/buffs is that some items are vastly over performing compared to others, making the optimal way to play narrower than what CCP wants And yes we the community kill the game with constant negative feedback and/or whining about the game. For example CCP does (can not believe I'm defending them) goes through a lot a crap when it comes to pleasing the community. Best example is people crying that this weapon is Over Powered or my all time favorite He shouldn't be able to kill my suit with that gun. Better example included the people still hung on LogiSlayer despite the fact that crap died around 1.4ish. Constant whining and/or negative feedback = the developers will not hear you out especially cussing them out (I had my fair share of that). We as a community are too narcissistic to see how the changes we provide would affect others but also fail understand that there is no pleasing everyone unless there is a middle ground. And trust me when i say almost no one want to meet midway. Darkness is a Beginning, you see, not an end.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1378	Posted - 2014.09.03 15:05:00 - [17] - Quote Kin Cat wrote: Thurak1 wrote: CCP's hotfix charlie "tweak" is why burst hmg user are what dominate the game right now. Fixed That's not fixed. I've been running my scout just as much as I've been running my sentinel and see tons of other scouts in almost every match. Though I got the ACR instead of the shotgun on the scout fit I've been running. For some reason the ACR works so much better on the scout than it does on my assault suit; I'm thinking cause it allows me to more easily get up close where the ACR shines. Still feels like a full auto pellet gun though. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Atiim 11826	Posted - 2014.09.03 17:44:00 - [18] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: actually the nerfs and buffs are what the community wants not what ccp wants to push I have yet to see a nerf that the community wanted. Logistics Sentinels Scouts Swarm Launchers Forge Gins AV Grenades HAVs ADSs (Coming Soon) Damage Modifiers Damage Amplifiers 80GJ Railguns 80GJ Blasters Combat Rifles Assault Rifles Scrambler Rifles Rail Rifles etc, etc, etc. Leanna Boghin wrote: All the nerfs and buffs people are suggested are tossed to the side and CCP ends up nerfing and buffing the stuff the way they want instead of the way we the community have suggested. Give me an example. While CCP obviously tosses aside the ridiculous requests, the vast majority of item balance involves the Community's feedback, along with as segment of usage data and statistics. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND


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