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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:23:00 -
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At the moment active scanners are not really that popular cause scouts have passive scans and their scans are aswell beeing shared with their squad. Im not going to discuss a nerf to scouts i want to discuss a change to active scanners itself.
Currently scan results with active scanners are shared only with the squad that you are in and additionally only those are eligable to get you recon points (you scan, squad mate kills). This is rather problematic when you want to play solo so lets look at one of the common situation:
-Galente logi deploys to ambush solo but only he can make use of his scans cause its not shared with the team. So even if he scanned the whole opposition, his team simply doesnt know about it cause the scan results are not beeing shared.
What i want? I want that the scan results are beeing shared to the whole team and that any team member can get you WP for the scans. Its just stupid that every logi equipment can be shared with your team for WP generation. I make some examples:
-Repair tools dont care if you repair a squad mate or a blueberry from your team, which means that you can earn aswell guardian points from any 1.
-Drop uplinks can be used by the whole team and are a very popular way to get WP on ambush
-nanohives give ammo to any 1 on your team and they aswell generate WP
-nanite injectors aswell give you WP for reviving bluedots.
You see where im going? The active scanner is the only Logistic equipment which does not benefit the whole team. They have a very long cooldown and the scans are aswell time limited. Thats why they should be allowed to be shared with the whole team. Oh and brick tanked scouts would dissapear over night cause they actually need to make use of more then 1 dampener.
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:24:00 -
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+ they are a ***** to fit
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1096
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:32:00 -
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And for **** sake buff the focused scanner
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
753
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:36:00 -
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Yes, I mainly use the Active Scanner on my Commando to make him a lone wolf. But there have been plenty of times I could have saved a few clones if they could see my scans showing tanks or enemies. Even with this fix, passive scans still need to be adjusted somehow.
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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Spectre-M
The Generals
Anime Empire.
770
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Posted - 2014.09.01 01:26:00 -
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The OP is a very good perspective. If all equipment benefits the team, why don't scanners.
It would make them more common and viable, because as soon as the Amarr scout in your group spawns, there's no need for it. However I equip my scanner on Amarr scout because the passive scan lets me know where they are coming from and the scanner itself nets me points and more scans.
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
761
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Posted - 2014.09.01 01:45:00 -
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What scans are not shared? That needs to be fixed
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4022
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:24:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:What scans are not shared? That needs to be fixed
Scans are shared among the squad but not with the whole team.
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1535
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Posted - 2014.09.01 04:40:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:At the moment active scanners are not really that popular cause scouts have passive scans and their scans are aswell beeing shared with their squad. Im not going to discuss a nerf to scouts i want to discuss a change to active scanners itself.
Currently scan results with active scanners are shared only with the squad that you are in and additionally only those are eligable to get you recon points (you scan, squad mate kills). This is rather problematic when you want to play solo so lets look at one of the common situation:
-Galente logi deploys to ambush solo but only he can make use of his scans cause its not shared with the team. So even if he scanned the whole opposition, his team simply doesnt know about it cause the scan results are not beeing shared.
What i want? I want that the scan results are beeing shared to the whole team and that any team member can get you WP for the scans. Its just stupid that every logi equipment can be shared with your team for WP generation. I make some examples:
-Repair tools dont care if you repair a squad mate or a blueberry from your team, which means that you can earn aswell guardian points from any 1.
-Drop uplinks can be used by the whole team and are a very popular way to get WP on ambush
-nanohives give ammo to any 1 on your team and they aswell generate WP
-nanite injectors aswell give you WP for reviving bluedots.
You see where im going? The active scanner is the only Logistic equipment which does not benefit the whole team. They have a very long cooldown and the scans are aswell time limited. Thats why they should be allowed to be shared with the whole team. Oh and brick tanked scouts would dissapear over night cause they actually need to make use of more then 1 dampener.
So basically you want the whole team to act like 16 cal scouts with perma scans the whole bloody match? Dude thats op as hell!
So all a squad has to do is fill up with scouts a logis with both equipments full of scanners and then in pc and fw there can be perma scans by a entire team.
Sounds worse than ever!
Yes, you just got rocked by a guy with a BOLT PISTOL and a pair of knives! !
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1535
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Posted - 2014.09.01 04:43:00 -
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Did anyone in this thread even catch on to how bad this is??? Anyone?
Yes, you just got rocked by a guy with a BOLT PISTOL and a pair of knives! !
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4022
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Posted - 2014.09.01 04:47:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:The dark cloud wrote:At the moment active scanners are not really that popular cause scouts have passive scans and their scans are aswell beeing shared with their squad. Im not going to discuss a nerf to scouts i want to discuss a change to active scanners itself.
Currently scan results with active scanners are shared only with the squad that you are in and additionally only those are eligable to get you recon points (you scan, squad mate kills). This is rather problematic when you want to play solo so lets look at one of the common situation:
-Galente logi deploys to ambush solo but only he can make use of his scans cause its not shared with the team. So even if he scanned the whole opposition, his team simply doesnt know about it cause the scan results are not beeing shared.
What i want? I want that the scan results are beeing shared to the whole team and that any team member can get you WP for the scans. Its just stupid that every logi equipment can be shared with your team for WP generation. I make some examples:
-Repair tools dont care if you repair a squad mate or a blueberry from your team, which means that you can earn aswell guardian points from any 1.
-Drop uplinks can be used by the whole team and are a very popular way to get WP on ambush
-nanohives give ammo to any 1 on your team and they aswell generate WP
-nanite injectors aswell give you WP for reviving bluedots.
You see where im going? The active scanner is the only Logistic equipment which does not benefit the whole team. They have a very long cooldown and the scans are aswell time limited. Thats why they should be allowed to be shared with the whole team. Oh and brick tanked scouts would dissapear over night cause they actually need to make use of more then 1 dampener. So basically you want the whole team to act like 16 cal scouts with perma scans the whole bloody match? Dude thats op as hell! So all a squad has to do is fill up with scouts a logis with both equipments full of scanners and then in pc and fw there can be perma scans by a entire team. Sounds worse than ever!
Do you even know the difference between active and passive scans? Activer scanners tag you only for a limited amount of time and the scan direction of the scanner is aswell small. And you do know that fitting a active scanner on a scout is just pointless if you could use a gal. logi who gets precision and duration bonus for it?
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1046
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Posted - 2014.09.01 05:00:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:At the moment active scanners are not really that popular cause scouts have passive scans and their scans are aswell beeing shared with their squad. Im not going to discuss a nerf to scouts i want to discuss a change to active scanners itself.
Currently scan results with active scanners are shared only with the squad that you are in and additionally only those are eligable to get you recon points (you scan, squad mate kills). This is rather problematic when you want to play solo so lets look at one of the common situation:
-Galente logi deploys to ambush solo but only he can make use of his scans cause its not shared with the team. So even if he scanned the whole opposition, his team simply doesnt know about it cause the scan results are not beeing shared.
What i want? I want that the scan results are beeing shared to the whole team and that any team member can get you WP for the scans. Its just stupid that every logi equipment can be shared with your team for WP generation. I make some examples:
-Repair tools dont care if you repair a squad mate or a blueberry from your team, which means that you can earn aswell guardian points from any 1.
-Drop uplinks can be used by the whole team and are a very popular way to get WP on ambush
-nanohives give ammo to any 1 on your team and they aswell generate WP
-nanite injectors aswell give you WP for reviving bluedots.
You see where im going? The active scanner is the only Logistic equipment which does not benefit the whole team. They have a very long cooldown and the scans are aswell time limited. Thats why they should be allowed to be shared with the whole team. Oh and brick tanked scouts would dissapear over night cause they actually need to make use of more then 1 dampener.
But scanners are the only equipment that can work at such extreme ranges,100m rep tools? I don't see any.
60m radius hives? Lolnope.
TBH,the cooldown is enough of a drawback.
I usually run solo,and i don't run scanners because it doesn't aid my team.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
709
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Posted - 2014.09.01 10:33:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:At the moment active scanners are not really that popular cause scouts have passive scans and their scans are aswell beeing shared with their squad. Im not going to discuss a nerf to scouts i want to discuss a change to active scanners itself.
Currently scan results with active scanners are shared only with the squad that you are in and additionally only those are eligable to get you recon points (you scan, squad mate kills). This is rather problematic when you want to play solo so lets look at one of the common situation:
-Galente logi deploys to ambush solo but only he can make use of his scans cause its not shared with the team. So even if he scanned the whole opposition, his team simply doesnt know about it cause the scan results are not beeing shared.
What i want? I want that the scan results are beeing shared to the whole team and that any team member can get you WP for the scans. Its just stupid that every logi equipment can be shared with your team for WP generation. I make some examples:
-Repair tools dont care if you repair a squad mate or a blueberry from your team, which means that you can earn aswell guardian points from any 1.
-Drop uplinks can be used by the whole team and are a very popular way to get WP on ambush
-nanohives give ammo to any 1 on your team and they aswell generate WP
-nanite injectors aswell give you WP for reviving bluedots.
You see where im going? The active scanner is the only Logistic equipment which does not benefit the whole team. They have a very long cooldown and the scans are aswell time limited. Thats why they should be allowed to be shared with the whole team. Oh and brick tanked scouts would dissapear over night cause they actually need to make use of more then 1 dampener.
tl;dr
think i have covered a topic similar to this before.. Active scanners are gimped and UnderPowered.. firstly their functionality needs to change..
Active scanner
-Shares data on TACNET for the whole team(including squad)
-Intell kill points for squad +15
-intell kill points for team +10
there.. fix'd em for ya CCP now players may actually go Gal logi again and active scanners may actually be useful again and more so by gal logi which if they are L5 logisuit and L5 active scanners useing a Focused they can scan down all but the most L5-proto-pimped-Ewar-scouts which will stop alot of the QQ about scouts.. oh wait.. it wont.. CLOAKS!
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