DUST Search - fitting optimization (PG) for weapons is an almost useless skill

Ghosts Chance wrote:

hold that wrote:

remember too they round up, meaning if the result is 2.4, then you won't get a - 3 pg, only 2 still. You need to get a result of 2.5 to get - 3, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't think 1 + mil is worth it to get - 3 pg on something, but the fitting op. maxed on the plc is 'worth it', and it was 'worth it' on the smg for me as i got a tight allotek plc/cala smg fit. the ones i figured were only good to put 3 into fitting op. were SG and AR, i think i put 4 in SR. any other points and i'd see no results. yeah but a huge/the hugest? sp sink. but like you said you would be able to fit that next level flux, or that other plate if not...

everything in the game is tracked to 2 decimal places

meaning if the result is 2.4 then you get exactly 2.4 powergrid it doesnt do any rounding anywhere except for the sanitised statsheet

that also means if you have skilled into skills to increase your powergrid for example, the amound of powergrid your suit has isnt a whole number... its something like 84.38, and so having a weapon drop down to cost 2.30 powergrid will make it fit despite it showing that you only have 2 PG left in your suit.

becuase of this its also possable to enter situations were it desplays that you have 1 PG left but you end up being able to equip a 2pg granade simply because the stat sheet rounds numbers even when the fittings themselves use un-rounded decimals

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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1049	Posted - 2014.08.27 20:58:00 - [1] - Quote even with the new heavy fitting nerf it's almost senseless to put more than a point or two into fitting optimization http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6447 it's probably more useful on the other sentinels because amarr is the worst forge gunner. but just look at what 2 million points into forge fitting level 5 gets me on that suit. practically nothing i get about 100 extra eHP and a point or two less armor rep than i do on my suit right now. that's stupid why would you spend 2 mil on that even if your another sentinel http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6443 ive spent 1.3 mil on sentinel fitting since charlie dropped. but only one point was spent on HMG fitting optimization because i mostly needed CPU not PG. the only reason it was worth it was because i can fit a proto flux and advanced scp on my suit that has no reps, both of those advanced on my HMG suit with two complex reps, and a slightly better forge gun suit. emphasis on slightly correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure theres next to no point in fitting optimization for other weapons. especially the ones who have a Specialist variant in the LP store. i literally have no desire to spend another point in assault rifles because first of all they got the ** nerfed out of them back when i first started using them last year. most importantly theres no point. i dont need any more PG. it might be different if i ran assault with a better rifle but i sincerely doubt you guys need to go past level 1 or 2. the logi i run with the specialist AR is fine how it is past level 2 im pretty sure it's another one of those pointless skills like dropsuit command past 3 which literally grants nothing. Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5846	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote Not really sure how each optimization stat is determined. Plasma cannons, for instance, get reduced CPU with the skill, because they take up a massive amount of CPU, and almost no PG. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1049	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Not really sure how each optimization stat is determined. Plasma cannons, for instance, get reduced CPU with the skill, because they take up a massive amount of CPU, and almost no PG. i thought you were quitting dust bro *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2340	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Not really sure how each optimization stat is determined. Plasma cannons, for instance, get reduced CPU with the skill, because they take up a massive amount of CPU, and ~~almost~~ no PG. Your statement is now correct. For sentinels PG optimization becomes critical when mounting forges on Calfats and minfats You can load a full tank at proto but you'll probably have to leave the fancy grenades and sidearms on the toilet seat, so hope you have a toxin for point defense, or that CCP buffs the faillock cuz that fit's gonna suuuuuck.
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 365	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:40:00 - [5] - Quote Today I took a weapon to fitting optimization lvl1 to gain 1 extra PG on my proto suit so I could specifically fit a proto module. I think lvl 1 fitting opt is 38k sp and lvl 2 is 111k I believe. If you need that extra 1 PG for something specific then it is a no brainer. But I can't see putting SP into it randomly especially at higher levels. Only when it's deemed necessary. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2342	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Today I took a weapon to fitting optimization lvl1 to gain 1 extra PG on my proto suit so I could specifically fit a proto module. I think lvl 1 fitting opt is 38k sp and lvl 2 is 111k I believe. If you need that extra 1 PG for something specific then it is a no brainer. But I can't see putting SP into it randomly especially at higher levels. Only when it's deemed necessary. that's generally the point of the fitting skills to begin with. The only ones you should SP dump into are the dropsuit electronics and engineering skills, as well as the weapon CPU skills. The fitting optimization is something you add in as your fits become more beefy. But even so you cap out with one or two modules (or weapons) at sub-advanced level.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 291	Posted - 2014.08.27 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote For a game composed primarily of grinding for small, incremental improvements, fitting optimization is perhaps the smallest bump you get for equivalent SP. -Aramis
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1052	Posted - 2014.08.28 00:33:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The fitting optimization is something you add in as your fits become more beefy. But even so you cap out with one or two modules (or weapons) at sub-advanced level. yeah but now that complex reactive plates are buffed you can put those *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 2956	Posted - 2014.08.28 01:56:00 - [9] - Quote It's just another sp sink. It's useful but not by a lot. I don't get that skill over 3 or 4 on any of my guns. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Diurnal Soul Immortal Retribution 12	Posted - 2014.08.28 03:03:00 - [10] - Quote Fit a weapon that takes 20pg to fit then :D Nocturnal Soul's Alt

hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 219	Posted - 2014.08.28 03:10:00 - [11] - Quote remember too they round up, meaning if the result is 2.4, then you won't get a - 3 pg, only 2 still. You need to get a result of 2.5 to get - 3, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't think 1 + mil is worth it to get - 3 pg on something, but the fitting op. maxed on the plc is 'worth it', and it was 'worth it' on the smg for me as i got a tight allotek plc/cala smg fit. the ones i figured were only good to put 3 into fitting op. were SG and AR, i think i put 4 in SR. any other points and i'd see no results. yeah but a huge/the hugest? sp sink. but like you said you would be able to fit that next level flux, or that other plate if not...
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2170	Posted - 2014.08.28 03:36:00 - [12] - Quote hold that wrote: remember too they round up, meaning if the result is 2.4, then you won't get a - 3 pg, only 2 still. You need to get a result of 2.5 to get - 3, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't think 1 + mil is worth it to get - 3 pg on something, but the fitting op. maxed on the plc is 'worth it', and it was 'worth it' on the smg for me as i got a tight allotek plc/cala smg fit. the ones i figured were only good to put 3 into fitting op. were SG and AR, i think i put 4 in SR. any other points and i'd see no results. yeah but a huge/the hugest? sp sink. but like you said you would be able to fit that next level flux, or that other plate if not... everything in the game is tracked to 2 decimal places meaning if the result is 2.4 then you get exactly 2.4 powergrid it doesnt do any rounding anywhere except for the sanitised statsheet that also means if you have skilled into skills to increase your powergrid for example, the amound of powergrid your suit has isnt a whole number... its something like 84.38, and so having a weapon drop down to cost 2.30 powergrid will make it fit despite it showing that you only have 2 PG left in your suit. becuase of this its also possable to enter situations were it desplays that you have 1 PG left but you end up being able to equip a 2pg granade simply because the stat sheet rounds numbers even when the fittings themselves use un-rounded decimals Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2282	Posted - 2014.08.28 03:43:00 - [13] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: But I can't see putting SP into it randomly That can go for anything in any SP game. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2033	Posted - 2014.08.28 03:43:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: snip The only ones you should SP dump into are the dropsuit electronics and engineering skills, as well as the weapon CPU skills. The fitting optimization is something you add in as your fits become more beefy. But even so you cap out with one or two modules (or weapons) at sub-advanced level. Some of the most sage advice ever. I only invested in X Weapon Upgrades when an attempted fit was off by one pg. Even that was after two fives in the Dropsuit Upgrades skills related to power grid. Just ask anyone whose been in the same corp as me, I'm mega anal retentive about SP expenditures. Wasted SP is a sin. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 142	Posted - 2014.08.28 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote I amusingly have fitting op V in combat rifles and smg's. Besides the flaylock these are probably the worst sp per pg skills in the game. That said my proto CR fits? All at the max of allowable PG. Generally speaking you can usually get most of what you want with normal pg skills, fitting ops generally just give you better quality of life things. For example I got those skills to V to allow me to fit a m209 smg rather than just a bpo one. I get a token amount of more dps but i dislike feeling i left anything out that could give me the slightest of edges. A lot of times though the extra couple pg is really there just to upgrade my equip slot. **** my favorite cal scout fit uses the specialist CR just to free up enough pg for one level higher hives. If you're still running remotes on a scout or cal scout especially fitting ops are basically the difference in running an adv remote or having to sac your other slots for basic remotes. Granted the Rail Rifle and Scram rifle benefit handily in terms of pg reduction and its extremely helpful to fit them on different race suits. I mean you should never get the feeling on an amarr proto assault of oh gee i need more pg because its pretty ridiculous. Now on the Cal Assault? 80pg is always maxed and I always have 100+ CPU to spare its just mind boggling.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 219	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:45:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: hold that wrote: remember too they round up, meaning if the result is 2.4, then you won't get a - 3 pg, only 2 still. You need to get a result of 2.5 to get - 3, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't think 1 + mil is worth it to get - 3 pg on something, but the fitting op. maxed on the plc is 'worth it', and it was 'worth it' on the smg for me as i got a tight allotek plc/cala smg fit. the ones i figured were only good to put 3 into fitting op. were SG and AR, i think i put 4 in SR. any other points and i'd see no results. yeah but a huge/the hugest? sp sink. but like you said you would be able to fit that next level flux, or that other plate if not... everything in the game is tracked to 2 decimal places meaning if the result is 2.4 then you get exactly 2.4 powergrid it doesnt do any rounding anywhere except for the sanitised statsheet that also means if you have skilled into skills to increase your powergrid for example, the amound of powergrid your suit has isnt a whole number... its something like 84.38, and so having a weapon drop down to cost 2.30 powergrid will make it fit despite it showing that you only have 2 PG left in your suit. becuase of this its also possable to enter situations were it desplays that you have 1 PG left but you end up being able to equip a 2pg granade simply because the stat sheet rounds numbers even when the fittings themselves use un-rounded decimals Wtf
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 3	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:06:00 - [17] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Not really sure how each optimization stat is determined. Plasma cannons, for instance, get reduced CPU with the skill, because they take up a massive amount of CPU, and almost no PG. i thought you were quitting dust bro I quit after Fanfest. I stick around here because I'm curious enough to watch the ship slowly sink. Kind Regards, Chunky Munkey
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 558	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:16:00 - [18] - Quote For most weapons fitting optimization 5 does nothing, lvl 3 and 4 is where you get that final 1 PG freed up Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1649	Posted - 2014.08.28 12:44:00 - [19] - Quote I like the fitting optimization skills as they are. Not essential but nice to squeeze in a little extra HP, an advanced rather than basic SMG, or whatever. If every skill was MUST HAV OR U DIEZ!!!! anyone below about 30mil SP might as well not bother,
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 559	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:30:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It should be -1 per level. For weapons where -5 PG is too much of a discount, simply remove the higher levels (with sp refund). -5 PG is too much on any weapon lol Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion

Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1658	Posted - 2014.08.29 11:57:00 - [21] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It should be -1 per level. For weapons where -5 PG is too much of a discount, simply remove the higher levels (with sp refund). -5 PG is too much on any weapon lol Dunno, my forgegunner would sure like -5 PG
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 565	Posted - 2014.08.29 12:19:00 - [22] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It should be -1 per level. For weapons where -5 PG is too much of a discount, simply remove the higher levels (with sp refund). -5 PG is too much on any weapon lol Dunno, my forgegunner would sure like -5 PG I would love -5 pg on something that uses 5 PG :P Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion


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