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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:00:00 -
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It's not popular because there is nothing special to it.
Factional Gear is visually no different than "Neo" gear.
Its functionally no different and thus less valuable for the efforts you put in and the risks you take.
You cannot influence EVE's FW Dust side. You cannot choose where to fight and when to fight or to run, you cannot plex under the radar or be bit by pirates.
FW provides no benefits for corporations involved in its "Pendulum War".
Dust players will never be acknowledged by CCP for their actions in it.
Dust does not ask for loyalty to one specific faction at a time, does not handle standings, and actions have little to no significance as such Militia's cannot regulate themselves.
Factional Warfare was insanely popular once when people cared who they fought for and took pride in it.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:28:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Vapor Forseti wrote:You are spot-on.
A few weeks ago, I placed several uplinks around Alpha, then these two douchebags from Nobliesse.Oblige (from my team) destroyed all my equipment. I stood there for a few seconds trying to imagine why they would do that. Lo and behold, one kills me and the other revives me 10+ times. Match ended abruptly after that.
I hit the roof. Never again will I play factional. Welcome to CCP. That is exactly the behavior that they reward in EVE Online. When it happens at a large enough scale CCP gets PR from headlines 'EVE Online traitor cost $2500). Thus FW sucks. Even with triple LP.
That behaviour is not rewarded in EVE FW Militia's though.
If someone AWOXes you like that and remains in the Militia you wardec them and make their lives a living hell just like PIE Inc is doing now against a Blood Raider Rper.
However in Dust 514 militia regulation is punished by a kick and a loss of standing and currently has no means of players being able to set standings or freely declare groups their enemies.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I keep hearing how FW in EVE is different. Something along the lines that you have to "sign up" for it or something like that? I heard its a bit stricter and not as loose as it is in Dust.
You have to make the choice to align yourself with a specific Militia. In doing do you gain access to FW for that specific faction and its allies. You gain specific tags that indicate WT (war targets) in system and allied Militia pilots,
The whole system is more flexible, stricter in some ways, lenient in others. Its a community of players with the same goal which can be self regulated by the Militia corporations themselves.
Its a system that encourages long term spying, long term loyalty, and co-operation.
It encourages players not solely use their LP for their own betterment but for the betterment of the Militia, buffering Ihubs to improve system bonuses and quality of life knowing that by investing in the Militia and your controlled systems you will earn that LP back twice or three times over.
Its a system that supports a 23/7 war and all of the pilots involved in it.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 01:10:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:I keep hearing how FW in EVE is different. Something along the lines that you have to "sign up" for it or something like that? I heard its a bit stricter and not as loose as it is in Dust. You have to make the choice to align yourself with a specific Militia. In doing do you gain access to FW for that specific faction and its allies. You gain specific tags that indicate WT (war targets) in system and allied Militia pilots, The whole system is more flexible, stricter in some ways, lenient in others. Its a community of players with the same goal which can be self regulated by the Militia corporations themselves. Its a system that encourages long term spying, long term loyalty, and co-operation. It encourages players not solely use their LP for their own betterment but for the betterment of the Militia, buffering Ihubs to improve system bonuses and quality of life knowing that by investing in the Militia and your controlled systems you will earn that LP back twice or three times over. Its a system that supports a 23/7 war and all of the pilots involved in it. Now that sounds like a FW I would want to play. A bit more serious and organized better. I guess it goes without saying but I really hate FW on Dust 514. Such a letdown as a whole. And I was so excited about it too after the enhancements but in the end, it means nothing. o7 to you PIE guys though. I was really impressed with how you guys operated yourselves.. You guys were my inspiration on how a factional corporation, dedication and RP should be about when playing FW.
RP is the only thing I still have to do with Dust 514..... I still had another 5 years of content planned for Kador and Satja.... not to mention having to write up a combined 45 years of lore for their pasts is pretty time consuming as well.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:18:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often
Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match.
Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with you corporation, you militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field.
The nature of FW has be bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it.
You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:50:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:True Adamance wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Team killing, AFK'ers, q-synced teams, long wait, minimal reward if you lose, no ISK. Hmmmm, no clue as to why people don't like FW. get rid of Q-sync and fights might be alot less 1 sided meaning people might actually sign up on the not soo popular sides and fw will run more often Yeah and turn FW into a glorified Pub match. Get real mate FW is a place for co-ordination and competitive play. If you are not willing to work with your corporation, your militia, your faction you are worse than a liability in the field. The nature of FW has been bastardised too many times for a community who doesn't even care about it, who doesn't want to take it seriously for what it is, who want another way to farm gear while feeling like they are contributing to something they quite frankly take no pride in and give no effort toward. You sir have the mentality that will destroy a meaningful FW and will turn a meaningful FW experience into a casualised series of pseudo pub match farming cycles. How would getting rid of Q-synching eliminate the TK/AWOX, which is the worst part of FW, exactly? It's by far the best defense against it. You know who the last person to straight out TK me was? My good friend True f*cking Adamance.(It was an unfortunate bolas accident.) We q-synch like crazy in Amarr, and awoxers are a minor annoyance at best because of it. You can't take that away. (p.s. True, I totally see why you left, but it is unfortunate. The victories are there but are more hollow, the Imperial Guard has many fists but only one soul.)
Was that when I told Aero not to fly with 7 of our 16 Q-Synced players because I had an HAV coming in and didn't know which direction......?
Or is this one of the many times I either drove through LAVs/ my dispersion clipped you?
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:18:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:The first one, technically Aero's fault but you got "credit" for the TK. 
7 free kills and not kicked!
To be fair I told him not to take off and he ignored/ couldn't hear me.......
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:42:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:True Adamance wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:The first one, technically Aero's fault but you got "credit" for the TK. 7 free kills and not kicked! To be fair I told him not to take off and he ignored/ couldn't hear me....... Indeed, it was very efficient of you! (I totally heard the warning and was mentally bracing for impact when it happened. For the record, I got the impression he thought he could ninja out of the way in time.) P.s. I'm rather disappointed I haven't gotten an appropriately philosophical/RP response to my wistfully poignant old-soldiers-never-die comment about the imperial guards soul. What sort of warrior poet are you? 
My apology.... planet-side I've been cooped up in the Praetorian offices all week. I will get to it.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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