DUST Search - Rifle variations:Who dominates?

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Meee One wrote:

As some know,there are various variations of weapons and races that specialise in them.

Tac:
Amarr -Scrambler rifle
The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots.
Drawback:Overheat

Breach:
Cal-RR
Caldari can easily lay claim to this,seeing as they have exceedingly long range as well as the ability to even kill shield tanked suits easily.
Drawback(s):kick and magazine(?) size (magazine size may not be an actual drawback at their optimal,the kick is)

Burst:
Minmatar-CR
1200 RPM,33 damage per bullet means the minmatar will never be beaten in this area.
Drawback:Small magazine (profile can be ignored when you're able to spit out such huge amounts of damage)

Assault:
Minmatar-ACR
1200 RPM is why the minmatar will never be beaten in this area,supposedly the burst specialists the incrediblely high ROF will always ensure their dominance over the Gallente assault weapon(s).
Drawback: none(?)

As you can see,and as most have already understood,Gallente is out classed in their specialisation.

Possible fix:Swap the ROF of ACR and the Gal PR and increase officer variations to 1300-1350 rpm.

Drawbacks for the Gallente plasma rifle will then be:
Magazine,range,possibly overheat

Gallente would become the spray and pray experts of CQC.

How high are you?

The ACR's DPS would take a NOSE DIVE considering it's low damage per bullet.

AR would be FOTM in a heartbeat. At 40 damage a bullet, it would have a DPS of 800.

800.

Yeah, no. Think before you post. The drawbacks you have listed would do nothing. Change damage values or go home.

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Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1008	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote As some know,there are various variations of weapons and races that specialise in them. Tac: Amarr -Scrambler rifle The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots. Drawback:Overheat Breach: Cal-RR Caldari can easily lay claim to this,seeing as they have exceedingly long range as well as the ability to even kill shield tanked suits easily. Drawback(s):kick and magazine(?) size (magazine size may not be an actual drawback at their optimal,the kick is) Burst: Minmatar-CR 1200 RPM,33 damage per bullet means the minmatar will never be beaten in this area. Drawback:Small magazine (profile can be ignored when you're able to spit out such huge amounts of damage) Assault: Minmatar-ACR 1200 RPM is why the minmatar will never be beaten in this area,supposedly the burst specialists the incrediblely high ROF will always ensure their dominance over the Gallente assault weapon(s). Drawback: none(?) As you can see,and as most have already understood,Gallente is out classed in their specialisation. Possible fix:Swap the ROF of ACR and the Gal PR and increase officer variations to 1300-1350 rpm. Drawbacks for the Gallente plasma rifle will then be: Magazine,range Gallente would become the spray and pray experts of CQC. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6655	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote Meee One wrote: As some know,there are various variations of weapons and races that specialise in them. Tac: Amarr -Scrambler rifle The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots. Drawback:Overheat Breach: Cal-RR Caldari can easily lay claim to this,seeing as they have exceedingly long range as well as the ability to even kill shield tanked suits easily. Drawback(s):kick and magazine(?) size (magazine size may not be an actual drawback at their optimal,the kick is) Burst: Minmatar-CR 1200 RPM,33 damage per bullet means the minmatar will never be beaten in this area. Drawback:Small magazine (profile can be ignored when you're able to spit out such huge amounts of damage) Assault: Minmatar-ACR 1200 RPM is why the minmatar will never be beaten in this area,supposedly the burst specialists the incrediblely high ROF will always ensure their dominance over the Gallente assault weapon(s). Drawback: none(?) As you can see,and as most have already understood,Gallente is out classed in their specialisation. Possible fix:Swap the ROF of ACR and the Gal PR and increase officer variations to 1300-1350 rpm. Drawbacks for the Gallente plasma rifle will then be: Magazine,range,possibly overheat Gallente would become the spray and pray experts of CQC. How high are you? The ACR's DPS would take a NOSE DIVE considering it's low damage per bullet. AR would be FOTM in a heartbeat. At 40 damage a bullet, it would have a DPS of 800. 800. Yeah, no. Think before you post. The drawbacks you have listed would do nothing. Change damage values or go home. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 67	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote Keep all rifles the same but give the ar I TINY (NOTICE HOW I SAID TINY) damage and speed buff. That should do it. So idk at 1 damage point per level and increase speed of rifle from 1-5%. SPAWN.KILL.DIE.RESPAWN.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3950	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Wow. I don't have time to explain right now, but there's issues with this thread. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1910	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:25:00 - [5] - Quote The Only reason the ACR is better than the AR is because of its virtual lack of kick. On paper, the AR is better in everything but range (with only a 9m optimal difference), I think the application of the damage is better on the ACR because you miss less.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4674	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote ACR is better than the AR because it does 10% damage to armor rather than shields...but only -5% to shields. Seeing as how most people armor tank...it just makes sense that the ACR would deal damage faster. It also gets a prof bonus to armor, making it slice through heavy suits like nothing. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 159	Posted - 2014.08.24 23:03:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: ACR is better than the AR because it does 10% damage to armor rather than shields...but only -5% to shields. Seeing as how most people armor tank...it just makes sense that the ACR would deal damage faster. It also gets a prof bonus to armor, making it slice through heavy suits like nothing. ACR is the best rifle in this game so far. Tactical AR IS THE WORST. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Zindorak 1.U.P 667	Posted - 2014.08.24 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: ACR is better than the AR because it does 10% damage to armor rather than shields...but only -5% to shields. Seeing as how most people armor tank...it just makes sense that the ACR would deal damage faster. It also gets a prof bonus to armor, making it slice through heavy suits like nothing. ACR is the best rifle in this game so far. Tactical AR IS THE WORST. Yup Burst AR is second worst Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 420	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote Give me what you're smoking...it must be good Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 607	Posted - 2014.08.25 12:31:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meee One wrote: As some know,there are various variations of weapons and races that specialise in them. Tac: Amarr -Scrambler rifle The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots. Drawback:Overheat Breach: Cal-RR Caldari can easily lay claim to this,seeing as they have exceedingly long range as well as the ability to even kill shield tanked suits easily. Drawback(s):kick and magazine(?) size (magazine size may not be an actual drawback at their optimal,the kick is) Burst: Minmatar-CR 1200 RPM,33 damage per bullet means the minmatar will never be beaten in this area. Drawback:Small magazine (profile can be ignored when you're able to spit out such huge amounts of damage) Assault: Minmatar-ACR 1200 RPM is why the minmatar will never be beaten in this area,supposedly the burst specialists the incrediblely high ROF will always ensure their dominance over the Gallente assault weapon(s). Drawback: none(?) As you can see,and as most have already understood,Gallente is out classed in their specialisation. Possible fix:Swap the ROF of ACR and the Gal PR and increase officer variations to 1300-1350 rpm. Drawbacks for the Gallente plasma rifle will then be: Magazine,range,possibly overheat Gallente would become the spray and pray experts of CQC. How high are you? The ACR's DPS would take a NOSE DIVE considering it's low damage per bullet. AR would be FOTM in a heartbeat. At 40 damage a bullet, it would have a DPS of 800. 800. Yeah, no. Think before you post. The drawbacks you have listed would do nothing. Change damage values or go home. ScR (semi-auto) has 808 dps at STANDARD! level. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1009	Posted - 2014.08.25 13:25:00 - [11] - Quote I would like everyone to remember. Each race is only supposed to accel at one type of firing. The variants are supposed to be semi-failed attempts to copy another races speciality. See TAC-PR vs ScR,the TAC is obviously inferior. Same for Breach PR vs the RR. Minmatar ACR would suffer,yes but it's burst variant (standard) would still be unique. That and Gal would actually succeed at a type for once. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1757	Posted - 2014.08.25 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote I don't think anyone disagrees that the AR needs to be improved to make it the king of CQC full auto weapons. Everyone does seem to have an issue with your method of making that change. As other posters have stated simply swaping the AR and ACR's stats would not only make the AR too powerful but also make the AR stupidly OP. A better solution would be to keep the ACR where it is and buff the AR a bit to make it more competitive. Buffs to per shot damage of even a couple of points could make a large difference as they really increase DPS on a 800 RoF weapon. A change of only 2 points for example would bring the Duvolle's pershot damage from 33.99 to 35.99 and give it a DPS boost from 453.2 to 479.86. It should be noted that the two point increase I use as an example represents a 5% increase in power. Other option may include boosting the RoF by 50, increasing optimal (but not effective) range, or even playing about with mag size. All of these possible changes are much less likely to make the AR OP but would provide it with a needed boost without making the ACR unusable. Fun > Realism
Ryme Intrinseca 1636	Posted - 2014.08.26 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote Meee One wrote: As some know,there are various variations of weapons and races that specialise in them. Tac: Amarr -Scrambler rifle The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots. Drawback:Overheat Breach: Cal-RR Caldari can easily lay claim to this,seeing as they have exceedingly long range as well as the ability to even kill shield tanked suits easily. Drawback(s):kick and magazine(?) size (magazine size may not be an actual drawback at their optimal,the kick is) Burst: Minmatar-CR 1200 RPM,33 damage per bullet means the minmatar will never be beaten in this area. Drawback:Small magazine (profile can be ignored when you're able to spit out such huge amounts of damage) Assault: Minmatar-ACR 1200 RPM is why the minmatar will never be beaten in this area,supposedly the burst specialists the incrediblely high ROF will always ensure their dominance over the Gallente assault weapon(s). Drawback: none(?) As you can see,and as most have already understood,Gallente is out classed in their specialisation. Possible fix:Swap the ROF of ACR and the Gal PR and increase officer variations to 1300-1350 rpm. Drawbacks for the Gallente plasma rifle will then be: Magazine,range,possibly overheat Gallente would become the spray and pray experts of CQC. Your entire analysis misses the crucial point that sheer clip size is meaningless without taking into account damage per bullet. The crucial measure is damage per clip (=clip size*damage). On that measure weapons you say have small clips (RR & AR) are actually shown to have massive damage in a clip of around 2000hp. By contrast the acr is down near the Tac AR with 1300 per clip. This is the main limitation of acr at present. Many heavies cannot be killed in one clip even if all bullets hit. That said, this is not quite enough of a limitation. Others have said, the ar should probably get a RoF or damage buff. The acr is fine where it is, the problem is the ar's weakness versus cr, rr and scr alike.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2972	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: ACR is better than the AR because it does 10% damage to armor rather than shields...but only -5% to shields. Seeing as how most people armor tank...it just makes sense that the ACR would deal damage faster. It also gets a prof bonus to armor, making it slice through heavy suits like nothing. Pretty much. Even with a Commando, seeing an Amarr or Gallente enemy I'm like "Fuuuuuuck my life...." when using the Plasma Rifle. With a combat rifle I'm all "LOOOOL BULLET HOSE BITCHES!!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13057	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:23:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Tac: Amarr -Scrambler rifle The amarr have this one in the bag,it obliterates every suit under heavies within 5 shots. Drawback:Overheat It does not. Even with max proficiency and damage modules in the highs it will only do roughly 100 damage (before modification by shields/ armour) per shot. Most sub Heavy suits have well over 650 EHP with the exclusion of scouts who might only use their base values. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Zindorak 1.U.P 681	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:00:00 - [16] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: Give me what you're smoking...it must be good looooooooooooooooool Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 138	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:08:00 - [17] - Quote Every morning during server downtime forum goers generally make a roll from a list of all weapons in the game. Based on that outcome the X weapon is OP posts are to be of that randomly selected weapon. Granted rolling for the flaylock is a bit like a critical failure roll.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 189	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:52:00 - [18] - Quote projectiles **** allover lsaers, but im drrunk so who knows deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Zindorak 1.U.P 685	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:54:00 - [19] - Quote Rail rifle is the best weapon CR comes second. CCP pls nurf the RR Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3201	Posted - 2014.08.27 01:51:00 - [20] - Quote No. Just lower ACR RoF to 1000, and damage by 2. Buff AR RoF slightly (don't know the current values so i can't comment on it).



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