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taxi bastard
uptown456
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:32:00 -
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this is a serious question as i am finding that when i kill these proto suits at the end of the match i am not getting anywhere near as much isk as i expected.
i had expected that these suits would pay out the same as regular proto suits when it came to isk, but after coming into contact with them more frequently i fear that this is not the case. can anyone shine some light on this for me |
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1279
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:17:00 -
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I know that everyone, including CCP, says that the cost of what you destroy has a big impact on the isk you get at the end of the match; but from my observation, it has very little impact on how much isk you make. From what I see the WP's you have compared to the other people on your team has the biggest impact on how much you earn. I was in a match earlier and went 55/2 with 2980 WP's against a team that had quite a few people on it using non-faction proto. I had almost 1k more WP's than the next two people below me combined, there was a 3rd person with over 1k WP's; below him there was 2 people with over 500 WP's and 8 below.
Normally I would have made in the general neighborhood of 350k for that match but I actually made closer to 250k that match. Why? Because the guy repping me made 4245 WP's (he threw out ammo and killed 7 clones as well). I didn't think to ask how much he made that match as we exchanged gg's but last time I made over 4k wp's with such disparity of WP's for the rest of the team I made over 400k ISK and that was just from shooting an ADS that couldn't take a hint and I never did kill it.
So quite frankly I don't believe that isk destroyed translates into isk gained all that much, if at all.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Kill Scotty
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
955
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:49:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I know that everyone, including CCP, says that the cost of what you destroy has a big impact on the isk you get at the end of the match; but from my observation, it has very little impact on how much isk you make. From what I see the WP's you have compared to the other people on your team has the biggest impact on how much you earn. I was in a match earlier and went 55/2 with 2980 WP's against a team that had quite a few people on it using non-faction proto. I had almost 1k more WP's than the next two people below me combined, there was a 3rd person with over 1k WP's; below him there was 2 people with over 500 WP's and 8 below.
Normally I would have made in the general neighborhood of 350k for that match but I actually made closer to 250k that match. Why? Because the guy repping me made 4245 WP's (he threw out ammo and killed 7 clones as well). I didn't think to ask how much he made that match as we exchanged gg's but last time I made over 4k wp's with such disparity of WP's for the rest of the team I made over 400k ISK and that was just from shooting an ADS that couldn't take a hint and I never did kill it.
So quite frankly I don't believe that isk destroyed translates into isk gained all that much, if at all. Pre-1.7 I made 500-700k+ ISK almost every match when enemies pulled out a couple of tanks and I took them out with my own tank and I might not have even been at the top of the leaderboard. In 1.7 I took out 13 tanks in my first match and I made it to the top of the leaderboard, I got less than 300k... ISK destroyed has the biggest impact on ISK gained for all people in that match, it is divided between everyone participating, biggest payouts go to the winning team and their top 3 players. As far as I've noticed. It doesn't matter what you personally destroy, it matters what gets destroyed in match.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
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Posted - 2014.08.23 04:18:00 -
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I've given up trying to sort this out?! It's a conundrum, frankly?! I've had similar situations as you guys each resulting in different payouts, but do the same exact thing in another match and the payout is difeerent?!?! I've destroyed tanks, ads, proto suits, and was at the top of the board..... 250k?? Come in 5th with 2300 wp's, and break 500k isk???
Hell maybe you guys can help me out?!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1279
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Posted - 2014.08.23 04:24:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote: Pre-1.7 I made 500-700k+ ISK almost every match when enemies pulled out a couple of tanks and I took them out with my own tank and I might not have even been at the top of the leaderboard. In 1.7 I took out 13 tanks in my first match and I made it to the top of the leaderboard, I got less than 300k... ISK destroyed has the biggest impact on ISK gained for all people in that match, it is divided between everyone participating, biggest payouts go to the winning team and their top 3 players. As far as I've noticed. It doesn't matter what you personally destroy, it matters what gets destroyed in match.
Well, that's got me a bit stumped because it doesn't line up at all with what I've seen. Hell, back when I was in ToP during the whole district locking craze I'd get 10mil ISK at the end of the match just from hacking a SD back and forth. We never destroyed anything, just rushed to the closest supply depot between the two of us that wasn't too far from an objective and see how much WP's we could rack up from hacking it (my best is ~11k in a semi-speed hacking suit).
Regardless, the OP seems to have been under the assumption that the ISK he destroys directly relates to the ISK he gets which both of us pointed out, isn't the case.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Kill Scotty
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taxi bastard
uptown456
215
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Posted - 2014.08.23 04:34:00 -
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i knew it was related to your position, how much WP's you get compared to everyone else and time in battle.
my question is how does "neo" aurum suits and proto factional suits affect the payout system. when killing them it seems like their deaths does not make much difference to the amount of isk you get if any. i am wondering if there is no real isk payout for your team when you kill them as they don't have much if any isk worth.
maybe my first line was misleading but it followed on from the posts title. |
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1279
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Posted - 2014.08.23 04:45:00 -
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The misunderstanding is probably my fault. I'd hazard a guess that if ISK destroyed does actually have an impact on the pool of ISK available to the team that Aur gear would at most grant it's ISK's equivalent of ISK; but it seems more likely to me it wouldn't grant any ISK because it isn't actually worth any ISK. And I'd guess the FW gear would only grant the ISK it costs to get from the loyalty store.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Kill Scotty
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taxi bastard
uptown456
215
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Posted - 2014.08.23 06:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:but it seems more likely to me it wouldn't grant any ISK because it isn't actually worth any ISK. And I'd guess the FW gear would only grant the ISK it costs to get from the loyalty store.
thats what i fear to be honest, it seems a bit unfair if it is the case. If the enemy loose the Neo or factional suits + guns worth alot of isk if they were in the standard variant then to those who mostly do pubs it seems like the system is cheating us from our reward. we killed the clones we deserve the payout |
Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
244
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Posted - 2014.08.23 07:10:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Thumb Green wrote:but it seems more likely to me it wouldn't grant any ISK because it isn't actually worth any ISK. And I'd guess the FW gear would only grant the ISK it costs to get from the loyalty store. thats what i fear to be honest, it seems a bit unfair if it is the case. If the enemy loose the Neo or factional suits + guns worth alot of isk if they were in the standard variant then to those who mostly do pubs it seems like the system is cheating us from our reward. we killed the clones we deserve the payout
If that is the case it is also creating a greater isk generating divide for those who could buy BPOs before they got removed.
Conceivably a BPO adds no isk to the payout and the user gets a very low cost outfit generating them isk for low risk.
Essentially BPO users can win the economic warfare part of the game hands down.
So newberries will be at a disadvantage on: Map knowledge Skill Points and how to apply them Isk generation as they cannot buy BPOs it means it is very hard to experiment or generate +ve isk.
It is a weighted deck. So as I've asked before since Legion is coming and the player market isn't. When can we expect to see BPOs released to the new players?
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
1022
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Posted - 2014.08.23 09:14:00 -
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WP are a bigger factor. A much, much bigger factor.
However the only time I notice an ISK increase when I kill proto... is when I kill LOTS of proto. So I wouldn't go on just one or two kills.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2114
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Posted - 2014.08.23 10:40:00 -
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all AUR and BPO gear has an isk cost listed in the database and counts its isk cost towards end of game payouts reguardless of weather or not you can buy it with isk in game.
all AUR/BPO/LTD gear has an ISK value
Minmatar is Winmatar
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo
2943
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Posted - 2014.08.23 11:39:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I know that everyone, including CCP, says that the cost of what you destroy has a big impact on the isk you get at the end of the match; but from my observation, it has very little impact on how much isk you make. From what I see the WP's you have compared to the other people on your team has the biggest impact on how much you earn. I was in a match earlier and went 55/2 with 2980 WP's against a team that had quite a few people on it using non-faction proto. I had almost 1k more WP's than the next two people below me combined, there was a 3rd person with over 1k WP's; below him there was 2 people with over 500 WP's and 8 below.
Normally I would have made in the general neighborhood of 350k for that match but I actually made closer to 250k that match. Why? Because the guy repping me made 4245 WP's (he threw out ammo and killed 7 clones as well). I didn't think to ask how much he made that match as we exchanged gg's but last time I made over 4k wp's with such disparity of WP's for the rest of the team I made over 400k ISK and that was just from shooting an ADS that couldn't take a hint and I never did kill it.
So quite frankly I don't believe that isk destroyed translates into isk gained all that much, if at all.
Because of this fact I think we should get more end of match salvage, and a slight ISK boost per match. If this overcomes the fw changes then buff fw payouts again :)
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
335
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:22:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I know that everyone, including CCP, says that the cost of what you destroy has a big impact on the isk you get at the end of the match; but from my observation, it has very little impact on how much isk you make. From what I see the WP's you have compared to the other people on your team has the biggest impact on how much you earn. I was in a match earlier and went 55/2 with 2980 WP's against a team that had quite a few people on it using non-faction proto. I had almost 1k more WP's than the next two people below me combined, there was a 3rd person with over 1k WP's; below him there was 2 people with over 500 WP's and 8 below.
Normally I would have made in the general neighborhood of 350k for that match but I actually made closer to 250k that match. Why? Because the guy repping me made 4245 WP's (he threw out ammo and killed 7 clones as well). I didn't think to ask how much he made that match as we exchanged gg's but last time I made over 4k wp's with such disparity of WP's for the rest of the team I made over 400k ISK and that was just from shooting an ADS that couldn't take a hint and I never did kill it.
So quite frankly I don't believe that isk destroyed translates into isk gained all that much, if at all.
I disagree, when I go out on foot and we get stomped, but I've still got around 20 kills and 1k more points than second, I get a small sum... But when we get some nice vehicle spam and down 5 to 10 tanks... Well that's when you hit 700k in a pub match. |
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