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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:40:00 -
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I always measure ISK related things in amounts of 200K because that's about the minimum you should make off a Pub match. One Pub match will get me 4 to 5 proto Gal Logi suits with ISK.
Now, one Gallente victory will get me 9 proto Gal Logi suits at about 10% the ISK rate. That's a STEAL.
And I'm only level 6. ****, I might even skill into Gal Assault or Scout JUST FOR THE LP STORE. 
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:44:00 -
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One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3029
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:49:00 -
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Too bad the stores are incomplete since they haven't been updated 1.8. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
Except when it's just for loyalty and sov gains, nobody cares.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Except when it's just for loyalty and sov gains, nobody cares.
Obviously by my statement, I do. I know Im not the only one who feels this way.
So whats the point of calling it Factional Warfare?
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
17019
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:19:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Except when it's just for loyalty and sov gains, nobody cares. Obviously by my statement, I do. I know Im not the only one who feels this way. So whats the point of calling it Factional Warfare?
Congratulations, you are the 1%.
If you had your way, I'm sure you'd have fun queueing for matches that hardly anyone else would want to play because there's no reward for it.
I also doubt you'd play it long.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
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Michael Arck
5237
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:26:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Except when it's just for loyalty and sov gains, nobody cares. Obviously by my statement, I do. I know Im not the only one who feels this way. So whats the point of calling it Factional Warfare? Congratulations, you are the 1%. If you had your way, I'm sure you'd have fun queueing for matches that hardly anyone else would want to play because there's no reward for it. I also doubt you'd play it long.
Who are you to tell me what I would do? Your sarcasm is not needed for my opinion so **** off
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
1154
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:34:00 -
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I ran a couple Factionals last night for the first time in a long time, hoping the level of competition would be superior to standard pubs.
Wrong.
Noobs still reeking of Academy all over my side of the board, as usual. At least Scotty is consistent in his ineptitude.
I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1041
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:35:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
Heck yeah it's about the LP store, why else would I care about it?
oooohhhh I get to affect EVE in a negligible way that no one will ever care about! Wait! I also get nothing in return from the EVE players? Count me in! |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
832
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:37:00 -
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Wait 200k gets you 4-5 proto gallogis? Wtf are you using.. my are 220k a piece without a proto weapon..
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:39:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Heck yeah it's about the LP store, why else would I care about it? oooohhhh I get to affect EVE in a negligible way that no one will ever care about! Wait! I also get nothing in return from the EVE players? Count me in!
Maybe if EVE players could build post that give some kind of bonus to us and our districts or a reduction in price to items in the market for our corporations we'd care but EVE doesn't benefit us in anyway besides pretty orbital strikes from time to time.
Not even the Jove can stop me!
Come at me you sleeping cowards!
You're all the same to me, dead.
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Michael Arck
5239
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:45:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Heck yeah it's about the LP store, why else would I care about it? oooohhhh I get to affect EVE in a negligible way that no one will ever care about! Wait! I also get nothing in return from the EVE players? Count me in! Maybe if EVE players could build post that give some kind of bonus to us and our districts or a reduction in price to items in the market for our corporations we'd care but EVE doesn't benefit us in anyway besides pretty orbital strikes from time to time.
That doesnt matter to folks who are just in it for items.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1041
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:47:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Heck yeah it's about the LP store, why else would I care about it? oooohhhh I get to affect EVE in a negligible way that no one will ever care about! Wait! I also get nothing in return from the EVE players? Count me in! Maybe if EVE players could build post that give some kind of bonus to us and our districts or a reduction in price to items in the market for our corporations we'd care but EVE doesn't benefit us in anyway besides pretty orbital strikes from time to time. That doesnt matter to folks who are just in it for items.
Okay... so item price reduction doesn't matter to people who buy items? |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
903
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
I disagree. It's about your favorite dropsuit, favorite weapon, etc. If your favorite happens to be FOTM that's not my problem.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:58:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. I disagree. It's about your favorite dropsuit, favorite weapon, etc. If your favorite happens to be FOTM that's not my problem.
I know you disagree, I read your OP.
And was the LP store there since inception?
The title Factional Warfare is defined by dropsuits and weapons bought?
I understand you have a different view. But being stupid in your reply is not needed. The intent was not to turn it into a item chase. Why they have a loyalty bar and end of battle report indicating planet status and such.
Players like you morphed it into a pub item chasing match. That doesnt define what it is supposed to be.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
5239
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:01:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Heck yeah it's about the LP store, why else would I care about it? oooohhhh I get to affect EVE in a negligible way that no one will ever care about! Wait! I also get nothing in return from the EVE players? Count me in! Maybe if EVE players could build post that give some kind of bonus to us and our districts or a reduction in price to items in the market for our corporations we'd care but EVE doesn't benefit us in anyway besides pretty orbital strikes from time to time. That doesnt matter to folks who are just in it for items. Okay... so item price reduction doesn't matter to people who buy items?
They dont care about the implementation or if EVE is involved. This isnt word match. Its understanding of behaviors of those who just participate just for items. Dont be simple.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
562
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:06:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. Except when it's just for loyalty and sov gains, nobody cares. Obviously by my statement, I do. I know Im not the only one who feels this way. So whats the point of calling it Factional Warfare? Congratulations, you are the 1%. If you had your way, I'm sure you'd have fun queueing for matches that hardly anyone else would want to play because there's no reward for it. I also doubt you'd play it long. Who are you to tell me what I would do? Your sarcasm is not needed for my opinion so **** off
His point stands pretty strong though. No point in catering to the "1%" in a game that probably won't be around for very much longer. We don't know what you would do, you're right about that, but calling out most of the community for not doig what you choose to do is just as bad IMO. |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
905
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:17:00 -
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No Mike,
It's the ROLE YOU ENJOY. It gives factions a sense of IDENTITY in Dust. Minjas are suicide gankers, Amarr are hard hitting glass cannons, etc.
If you want to follow all that Eve lore ****, either go play Eve or wait for Legion.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
3170
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:42:00 -
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Hearing the sinner scum beg for mercy, before I unleash "Gods Judgement," on them; is all I seek in fighting for the glorious Amarr
LP is just the cherry.
Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun...
Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
663
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:46:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:bamboo x wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. I disagree. It's about your favorite dropsuit, favorite weapon, etc. If your favorite happens to be FOTM that's not my problem. I know you disagree, I read your OP. And was the LP store there since inception? The title Factional Warfare is defined by dropsuits and weapons bought? I understand you have a different view. But being stupid in your reply is not needed. The intent was not to turn it into a item chase. Why they have a loyalty bar and end of battle report indicating planet status and such. Players like you morphed it into a pub item chasing match. That doesnt define what it is supposed to be.
you know we are supposed to be mercenaries right? not super patriotic defenders of a nation. we fight for a profit, not to pat ourselves on the back for helping a space country thingy |
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11449
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:49:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:No Mike,
It's the ROLE YOU ENJOY. It gives factions a sense of IDENTITY in Dust. Minjas are suicide gankers, Amarr are hard hitting glass cannons, etc.
If you want to follow all that Eve lore ****, either go play Eve or wait for Legion.
I don't think you realize what "Glass Cannon" means.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Michael Arck
5241
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:05:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:Michael Arck wrote:bamboo x wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. I disagree. It's about your favorite dropsuit, favorite weapon, etc. If your favorite happens to be FOTM that's not my problem. I know you disagree, I read your OP. And was the LP store there since inception? The title Factional Warfare is defined by dropsuits and weapons bought? I understand you have a different view. But being stupid in your reply is not needed. The intent was not to turn it into a item chase. Why they have a loyalty bar and end of battle report indicating planet status and such. Players like you morphed it into a pub item chasing match. That doesnt define what it is supposed to be. you know we are supposed to be mercenaries right? not super patriotic defenders of a nation. we fight for a profit, not to pat ourselves on the back for helping a space country thingy
We are supposed or are we? Which one is it?
I know we are mercenaries but I have chosen something different. I don't have caldari avi because I just smashed through character creation just to hurriedly get into game. I read about Caldari and I like them.
What's so hard about understanding that there are people in this game who like to be loyal to their faction? That there are corporations that were formed solely to fight for their faction?
It's not for a pat on the back you big dummy. It's because its how I want to play. It's the reason why FW was created, to fulfill the RP aspects of this game.
bamboo x wrote:No Mike,
It's the ROLE YOU ENJOY. It gives factions a sense of IDENTITY in Dust. Minjas are suicide gankers, Amarr are hard hitting glass cannons, etc.
If you want to follow all that Eve lore ****, either go play Eve or wait for Legion.
I do what I damn please wherever, you moron. You wouldn't be saying all that crap anyway if the LP store was not involved.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Cody Sietz
Evzones
3842
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:28:00 -
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It's not so much about the reward for me(though it is a major perk) it is more about the higher level games you will sometimes get.
When Gal was stomping Cal I played quite a few matches just so I could try and get better.
Used std suits/weapons only and generally got my arse kicked but it was still good experience.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
907
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Posted - 2014.08.16 01:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:bamboo x wrote:No Mike,
It's the ROLE YOU ENJOY. It gives factions a sense of IDENTITY in Dust. Minjas are suicide gankers, Amarr are hard hitting glass cannons, etc.
If you want to follow all that Eve lore ****, either go play Eve or wait for Legion. I don't think you realize what "Glass Cannon" means.
Well, from an Amarr heavy's perspective, yeah. You light/medium guys are ******* glass cannons.
Pikachu is a glass cannon in Pokemon. Trust me, I've known what the term means for two decades.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3999
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Posted - 2014.08.16 02:01:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Atiim wrote:bamboo x wrote:No Mike,
It's the ROLE YOU ENJOY. It gives factions a sense of IDENTITY in Dust. Minjas are suicide gankers, Amarr are hard hitting glass cannons, etc.
If you want to follow all that Eve lore ****, either go play Eve or wait for Legion. I don't think you realize what "Glass Cannon" means. Well, from an Amarr heavy's perspective, yeah. You light/medium guys are ******* glass cannons. Pikachu is a glass cannon in Pokemon. Trust me, I've known what the term means for two decades.
How the hell is my 1004ehp triple dmg modded proficiency 5 scr wielding Ak.0 assault a glass cannon.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4272
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Posted - 2014.08.16 02:11:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
You are missing out then. There are some cool items, but without a player market being loyal to a faction only limits you.
I am just as disappointed about how FW ended up. I think it's the area where CCP could really, really capitalize. I pitched an idea earlier about Dust going to PS4 as a FW arm of Eve/Legion.
They could still do more as far as LP though. I'd like to see 8 or so Proto fits worth of LP just to make it a place that there is a lot of incentive to win.
I think CCP should think about putting some Dev time toward FW in Dust. If done right I think people would buy the boosters. It's one of the only ways I could see people with high SP continuing to spend money.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1043
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Posted - 2014.08.16 02:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:bamboo x wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. I disagree. It's about your favorite dropsuit, favorite weapon, etc. If your favorite happens to be FOTM that's not my problem. I know you disagree, I read your OP. And was the LP store there since inception? The title Factional Warfare is defined by dropsuits and weapons bought? I understand you have a different view. But being stupid in your reply is not needed. The intent was not to turn it into a item chase. Why they have a loyalty bar and end of battle report indicating planet status and such. Players like you morphed it into a pub item chasing match. That doesnt define what it is supposed to be.
If it wasn't meant to be that way, why is the default choice to play for any or all factions?
Because, that's why.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1143
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Posted - 2014.08.16 02:32:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:I always measure ISK related things in amounts of 200K because that's about the minimum you should make off a Pub match. One Pub match will get me 4 to 5 proto Gal Logi suits with ISK. Now, one Gallente victory will get me 9 proto Gal Logi suits at about 10% the ISK rate. That's a STEAL. And I'm only level 6. ****, I might even skill into Gal Assault or Scout JUST FOR THE LP STORE. sure would help if CCP put my GK.O heavy in the store.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
908
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Posted - 2014.08.16 04:39:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:sure would help if CCP put my GK.O heavy in the store.
or forge guns on that note
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2133
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Posted - 2014.08.16 04:41:00 -
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when the gallente faction provides me sentinel and commando suits I will care. Until then, Amarr Commando suits are my bread and butter.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.08.16 05:43:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority.
dont forget all the troll-killers roadkillers kill/rez repeaters all the blue on blue friendly fire which is done on purpose.. those are some reasons i havnt really spent much time in fw
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1145
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:51:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Michael Arck wrote:One of the reasons why FW is effed up. Its not about loyalty or the increase of sovereignty for your chosen people, its about items in the LP store. Thats why I dont play that crap. Item whoring and fickle players are the majority. dont forget all the troll-killers roadkillers kill/rez repeaters all the blue on blue friendly fire which is done on purpose.. those are some reasons i havnt really spent much time in fw yeah Killer12 team killed me today with nova knifes. what a top men nublet.
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