DUST Search - Factional Warefare "Punish" button

Pokey Dravon wrote:

iKILLu osborne wrote:

this thread is becoming the perfect example of the stubbornness of "some" eve players that(no offense devs) ccp caters too because they are this games main audience.

I'm 100% for eve lore being in dust for immersion , but not when it starts to dictate gameplay mechanics/functionality, ruining the overall experience for everyone.

yes i went there Roll

and I don't care i'm a forum warrior for dust not eve

It's not even about EVE, it's about the fact that by going into a game mode with higher rewards, the risk of losing more is higher. Game mechanics exist to discourage excessive griefing, but if you don't like that, then don't play in those game modes.

I consider dealing with griefers PART of the experience and functionality of the game mode. The thrill of not knowing if the guy next to me is going to shoot me in the back or not while I hack. That's all part of the experience for me, so to take that away just turns it into another pub match.

Let me put it this way, say an individual favors the Amarr side of FW, his friends queue up for Amarr FW, and he goes into Minmatar FW with the intention of hindering and causing chaos on the Minmatar side in order to give his friends on the Amarrian side an advantage. We call that Meta Game.


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Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 281	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:34:00 - [1] - Quote Does absolutely **** all... How about a button that if you teamkill or blow up my vehicle, charges you the price of everything... If you don't have the isk it takes away your most valuable assets, if you don't have at least 1 mil in assets you can't join factional... Fair enough?
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 281	Posted - 2014.08.15 01:17:00 - [2] - Quote Oh great lets defend tossers shall we... Do you like sitting in the base shooting your own people with the turrets? just trolling for lols, like a generic nerdy basement dweller... Does the abuse of the system enhance your experiance? or maybe you like to sit an alt on the other team to make sure you get your easy points. Face it, there's no reason to let people off... Accidental team killing, fine, but trolly *** can go ** themselves.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 284	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:37:00 - [3] - Quote Okay, I like the friendly fire mechanic forcing you to be more careful where you shoot... I pilot & when using missiles I like the challenge of blowing up a scout who waas about to gank a teammate without hitting the teammate, the extra suspense is nice... But god damn it nothing is done to the troll... oh no they lose their faction standing, which is likely at 0 anyway because that's all they do with their alts. Where's the risk for them? and it's all well and good shooting them back, but that just means you get punished and the match is a complete waste of everyones time. If you were charged instead of maybe getting reported, wouldn't you take more care? Perhaps you wouldn't accidently headshot your teammates so much, lol.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 284	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:43:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Okay, I like the friendly fire mechanic forcing you to be more careful where you shoot... I pilot & when using missiles I like the challenge of blowing up a scout who waas about to gank a teammate without hitting the teammate, the extra suspense is nice... But god damn it nothing is done to the troll... oh no they lose their faction standing, which is likely at 0 anyway because that's all they do with their alts. Where's the risk for them? and it's all well and good shooting them back, but that just means you get punished and the match is a complete waste of everyones time. If you were charged instead of maybe getting reported, wouldn't you take more care? Perhaps you wouldn't accidently headshot your teammates so much, lol. Personally I favored a system where they're flagged yellow (Free for all to kill) and forced to survive being attacked by 31 other people while trying to TK. Losing fits to everyone hating you. That works for me, if it's when they've shot you once you get to "free kill them" then when some tard shoots my dropship with his tank I can just blow his tank up, nowhere to hide since we're both in the same redzone. I'd also suggest giving warpoints, but that would be far too easy to abuse sadly.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 284	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:44:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Why? Just die from them 4x and get them removed. I usually don't mind because I know my Gallente brethren didn't mean it. Any other faction, and I'll hunt you down like a dog. If you're gonna waste time like that, it's just as good to quit the game... But both ways ruin the whole game and are therefore pointless.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 284	Posted - 2014.08.15 17:06:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: If their standing is at zero, a team kill boots them from faction warfare completely for 24 hours. So they get one troll kill every 24 hours. Woo.... No, chances are people grind up standing, and then burn it trolling people and killing them, until they run out of standing. This happens ALL the time in EVE with Concord Security Status. It's part of New Eden, it's raw, **** up, and free. If you don't like being team killed, don't play Faction Warfare. Being a Carebear is fine, I do it in EVE all the time, but don't complain because the system doesn't cater to your desire for risk-free gameplay in FacWar. What is this risk-free you keep going on about... This isn't Eve, it's a fecking team/strategy/shooter (or it was supposed to be something like that) where is dickheads not playing the game as intended a worthwhile risk? Should I start teamkilling for * and giggles? apparently you seem to think this should be part of everyones time. Yes in Eve you can troll people, steal and basically be a to everyone, because that is part of the game. In this people are just being ** for the sake of it... What I'm suggesting doesn't stop people from being able to chose to screw their team over and force them to stop being ****** little twats, it just evens the playing field so that people actually trying to play the game can do something.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 286	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:17:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: this thread is becoming the perfect example of the stubbornness of "some" eve players that(no offense devs) ccp caters too because they are this games main audience. I'm 100% for eve lore being in dust for immersion , but not when it starts to dictate gameplay mechanics/functionality, ruining the overall experience for everyone. yes i went there and I don't care i'm a forum warrior for dust not eve It's not even about EVE, it's about the fact that by going into a game mode with higher rewards, the risk of losing more is higher. Game mechanics exist to discourage excessive griefing, but if you don't like that, then don't play in those game modes. I consider dealing with griefers PART of the experience and functionality of the game mode. The thrill of not knowing if the guy next to me is going to shoot me in the back or not while I hack. That's all part of the experience for me, so to take that away just turns it into another pub match. Let me put it this way, say an individual favors the Amarr side of FW, his friends queue up for Amarr FW, and he goes into Minmatar FW with the intention of hindering and causing chaos on the Minmatar side in order to give his friends on the Amarrian side an advantage. We call that Meta Game. Fair enough, make it part of the game then... add rewards for killing your own team, then I'll shoot the ***** right back, but right now it's not a part of the game, it's mearly a broken mechanic for abuse, that kills the game... No one is going to shoot you in the back for hacking an objective, the people who do this don't go that far and you wont have enough of a damn team to get past a decent enemy team. Also why bring PC into this? no one runs around *** up a PC match, because you bring your own team, something you can't do in factional. (and yes save yourself the trouble I know you can invite a squad, that's not a whole team, which is why you get total *** joining.)