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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Vencio wrote:

Hi guys,

I am greatly disoriented and confused, and truly hoping that anyone experienced, or a CCP may be kind enough to answer this question in which I can finalize a good built for my scout.

I am currently a Proto Gal Scout with proto Dampeners, Precision, and Cloak all proto.

I have been told that I wouldn't get penalty stack if I were to equip 3x Proto Dampeners and would instead make me more stealthier ( same can be applied to precision upon 2x or 3x or precision proto, the more chances to detect people )..... now I have been told the other way around in which I do eventually get stack penalty if I were to equip 3x dampeners and 2x precision enhancers ( is it sometimes better and more functional to have 1 single E-War equipment to avoid stack penalty, or are 3x better than one for better effect ).

My philosophy idea is to create a very stealthy/recon/rogue/spy Scout as possible and avoid being tracked.

I am not really savyy with numbers, and just want a clear answer.

My apologies since English isn't unfortunately my first language.

PS: Yes I am aware that such posting should've been taken into the Rookie Forum; I felt the General Forum is more active with people and topics.

Thanks,

here you go.. found an up to date thread about ewar https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171787&find=unread

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Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:15:00 - [1] - Quote Hi guys, I am greatly disoriented and confused, and truly hoping that anyone experienced, or a CCP may be kind enough to answer this question in which I can finalize a good built for my scout. I am currently a Proto Gal Scout with proto Dampeners, Precision, and Cloak all proto. I have been told that I wouldn't get penalty stack if I were to equip 3x Proto Dampeners and would instead make me more stealthier ( same can be applied to precision upon 2x or 3x or precision proto, the more chances to detect people )..... now I have been told the other way around in which I do eventually get stack penalty if I were to equip 3x dampeners and 2x precision enhancers ( is it sometimes better and more functional to have 1 single E-War equipment to avoid stack penalty, or are 3x better than one for better effect ). My philosophy idea is to create a very stealthy/recon/rogue/spy Scout as possible and avoid being tracked. I am not really savyy with numbers, and just want a clear answer. My apologies since English isn't unfortunately my first language. PS: Yes I am aware that such posting should've been taken into the Rookie Forum; I felt the General Forum is more active with people and topics. Thanks,
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 487	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:38:00 - [2] - Quote tbh you wont find "legit" answers to most everything on the general forums try doing a search i do however recall there being some good math heavy scout ewar threads [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:42:00 - [3] - Quote Oh ok, Thanks for you time upon answering to this thread, much appreciate your information
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 487	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:44:00 - [4] - Quote and you are right.. think it was one of those "Fox Guides" in rookie thread which had the Ewar info you seek [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3006	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Every mod has a stacking penalty. If you equip 3 dampners, the third one will be about half as efficient as the first one. So, you're better off not using more than 3 of the same kind of mod, regardless of tier. What I want to know is: do light damage mods affect sidearm damage mods? Just a yes, or not will suffice.
Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:47:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: and you are right.. think it was one of those "Fox Guides" in rookie thread which had the Ewar info you seek Thanks again Apothecary!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 487	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:47:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Every mod has a stacking penalty. If you equip 3 dampners, the third one will be about half as efficient as the first one. So, you're better off not using more than 3 of the same kind of mod, regardless of tier. What I want to know is: do light damage mods affect sidearm damage mods? Just a yes, or not will suffice. if its the same stackign penalties as in eve you only get maybe 7% of the modules stated number.. again i think there was a thread on rookies which elaborated and gave the math /penality for each stacked module [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
LittleCuteBunny 542	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:48:00 - [8] - Quote This should solve your questions about the Scout EWAR. It is just an updated version up to Hotfix Charlie of an old EWAR sheet that I made, it has been out since yesterday and I just recently fixed a small issue with it. Graveyard 514
Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:48:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Every mod has a stacking penalty. If you equip 3 dampners, the third one will be about half as efficient as the first one. So, you're better off not using more than 3 of the same kind of mod, regardless of tier. What I want to know is: do light damage mods affect sidearm damage mods? Just a yes, or not will suffice. So would two be better or just one? And Light damage mods affects for light weapons and not siderarms, Sidearm mods affects for all side arm weaponry, or so I believe.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6403	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:49:00 - [10] - Quote Have you ever tried asking the Barbershop? Damps and Precision are kinda the scouts specialty. I'll see if I can summon help. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 488	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Vencio wrote: Hi guys, I am greatly disoriented and confused, and truly hoping that anyone experienced, or a CCP may be kind enough to answer this question in which I can finalize a good built for my scout. I am currently a Proto Gal Scout with proto Dampeners, Precision, and Cloak all proto. I have been told that I wouldn't get penalty stack if I were to equip 3x Proto Dampeners and would instead make me more stealthier ( same can be applied to precision upon 2x or 3x or precision proto, the more chances to detect people )..... now I have been told the other way around in which I do eventually get stack penalty if I were to equip 3x dampeners and 2x precision enhancers ( is it sometimes better and more functional to have 1 single E-War equipment to avoid stack penalty, or are 3x better than one for better effect ). My philosophy idea is to create a very stealthy/recon/rogue/spy Scout as possible and avoid being tracked. I am not really savyy with numbers, and just want a clear answer. My apologies since English isn't unfortunately my first language. PS: Yes I am aware that such posting should've been taken into the Rookie Forum; I felt the General Forum is more active with people and topics. Thanks, here you go.. found an up to date thread about ewar https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171787&find=unread [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:51:00 - [12] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: This should solve your questions about the Scout EWAR. It is just an updated version up to Hotfix Charlie of an old EWAR sheet that I made, it has been out since yesterday and I just recently fixed a small issue with it. That's really great information Little!! Thanks a lot! From reading your sheet statistics, from reading this Gallente Scout 1PD+C @ 18.073 2PD+C @ 14.147 3PD+C @ 12.127 4PD+C @ 11.441 Do the lower numbers represents the penalty of less effectiveness? sorry Im an idiot noob
Vencio Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:53:00 - [13] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vencio wrote: Hi guys, I am greatly disoriented and confused, and truly hoping that anyone experienced, or a CCP may be kind enough to answer this question in which I can finalize a good built for my scout. I am currently a Proto Gal Scout with proto Dampeners, Precision, and Cloak all proto. I have been told that I wouldn't get penalty stack if I were to equip 3x Proto Dampeners and would instead make me more stealthier ( same can be applied to precision upon 2x or 3x or precision proto, the more chances to detect people )..... now I have been told the other way around in which I do eventually get stack penalty if I were to equip 3x dampeners and 2x precision enhancers ( is it sometimes better and more functional to have 1 single E-War equipment to avoid stack penalty, or are 3x better than one for better effect ). My philosophy idea is to create a very stealthy/recon/rogue/spy Scout as possible and avoid being tracked. I am not really savyy with numbers, and just want a clear answer. My apologies since English isn't unfortunately my first language. PS: Yes I am aware that such posting should've been taken into the Rookie Forum; I felt the General Forum is more active with people and topics. Thanks, here you go.. found an up to date thread about ewar https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171787&find=unread Awesome!!! Thanks again and sorry for the troubles!:)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 488	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:53:00 - [14] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: This should solve your questions about the Scout EWAR. It is just an updated version up to Hotfix Charlie of an old EWAR sheet that I made, it has been out since yesterday and I just recently fixed a small issue with it. just realised i posted your thread xD [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 119	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:56:00 - [15] - Quote Try protofits.com if you haven't already.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3006	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:58:00 - [16] - Quote Vencio wrote: Joel II X wrote: Every mod has a stacking penalty. If you equip 3 dampners, the third one will be about half as efficient as the first one. So, you're better off not using more than 3 of the same kind of mod, regardless of tier. What I want to know is: do light damage mods affect sidearm damage mods? Just a yes, or not will suffice. So would two be better or just one? And Light damage mods affects for light weapons and not siderarms, Sidearm mods affects for all side arm weaponry, or so I believe. Yes, you're good if you're using two. Don't worry about it. Also, you're right, but since they're both damage mods, I'd like confirmation on whether they affect each other or not.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 412	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:59:00 - [17] - Quote Ewar mods don't have a stacking penalty. They never have as far as I'm aware.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4108	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:00:00 - [18] - Quote If you aren't a spreadsheet warrior, my very best advice to you would be to use www.protofits.com ... it does the math for you and eliminates any guesswork. I suspect the website is being updated at the moment (as profile and precision values are off), but the guy who runs it is great about keeping it up-to-date. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 821	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:04:00 - [19] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: Try protofits.com if you haven't already. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2061	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:06:00 - [20] - Quote You only need two dampeners on a gal scout, and TBH I'm not quite sure bout the stacking penalties "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 412	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:09:00 - [21] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You only need two dampeners on a gal scout, and TBH I'm not quite sure bout the stacking penalties Protofits says nothing about stacking penalties on ewar mods but does on kin cats and others.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1366	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:12:00 - [22] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Ewar mods don't have a stacking penalty. They never have as far as I'm aware. And this is the beauty of CCP: they don't tell us if there is or if there's not. There is a stacking penalty. So many players from land out of time have confirmed and made the math. besides, screw you guys im going destiny. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
LittleCuteBunny 544	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:16:00 - [23] - Quote Vencio wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: This should solve your questions about the Scout EWAR. It is just an updated version up to Hotfix Charlie of an old EWAR sheet that I made, it has been out since yesterday and I just recently fixed a small issue with it. That's really great information Little!! Thanks a lot! From reading your sheet statistics, from reading this Gallente Scout 1PD+C @ 18.073 2PD+C @ 14.147 3PD+C @ 12.127 4PD+C @ 11.441 Do the lower numbers represents the penalty of less effectiveness? sorry Im an idiot noob Yes, the penalties for stacking are already considered into "PD+C" (Profile Dampener + Cloak). So as you use more modules you get less effectiveness from that module, you should use enough to get below 15db. If you are still confused as others pointed out you should try out protofits, if you prefer looking at every part of the formula just use the spreadsheet. Graveyard 514
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 437	Posted - 2014.08.14 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote Isn't the rule of thumb that if a mod is percentage based then there is a stacking penalty?
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1003	Posted - 2014.08.14 18:16:00 - [25] - Quote Vencio wrote: Joel II X wrote: Every mod has a stacking penalty. If you equip 3 dampners, the third one will be about half as efficient as the first one. So, you're better off not using more than 3 of the same kind of mod, regardless of tier. What I want to know is: do light damage mods affect sidearm damage mods? Just a yes, or not will suffice. So would two be better or just one? And Light damage mods affects for light weapons and not siderarms, Sidearm mods affects for all side arm weaponry, or so I believe. You only need to use one Complex Profile Dampener on a proto gal scout the majority of the time. Make one fit with two which you can use if you're facing a proto amar scout running two complex precision enhancers or a proto gal logi running a focused scanner. Given the gal logi focused scanner will alert you if you're scanned and you can just wait it out the only threat is a squad with a proto Amar scout. Overlord of Broman
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4110	Posted - 2014.08.14 18:25:00 - [26] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You only need two dampeners on a gal scout, and TBH I'm not quite sure bout the stacking penalties Protofits says nothing about stacking penalties on ewar mods but does on kin cats and others. Stacking penalties apply to all EWAR modules. This has been tested extensively by the Scout Community. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley


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