DUST Search - The Caldari Heavy. WTF did you guys do!

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

BIGRE wrote:

CCP.

Really.

Seriously.

You give another low slot to the Amarr......... Amarr I cant even say it properly. What in the hell were you guys thinking on this one. Now my caldari heavy is useless. So people that specked into this class have no use for it anymore. What in the hell are you guys doing over there. Not thinking obviously.

COME ON CCP. GET YOUR S H I T TOGETHER.

MY LORD.

Because Eve didn't really support this game but still wants to come around and **** on how our suits don't match their ships. Ya cool thanks, now **** off... Our ground warfare is nothing like your naval warfare.

Thats what i never understood, this games been pretty balanced several times since its been out, but then ccp comes in and is all like oh no its not matching our other game about spaceships. Lets derp this game up by putting looore.This is an fps game not a spaceship game damnit.

Honestly, I'm happier that their making the suits match the ships, at least then I know what I'm up against.

>Missed the point that a fps lobby shooter doesn't function like a tps space rpg simulator

Oh okay...

It keeps causing problems, you want this game to play like Eve then let us impact Eve, otherwise screw off back to Eve with breaking our game for your convenience every patch/fix.

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BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:25:00 - [31] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: 61 Mil SP and not ONE of my Cal Heavies was okay when I fired up Dust yesterday. Most were 40ish CPU short. Which is strange, I've always put a Complex Repair on there so I won't be able to just throw a regulator on (which is what you'd think). For some reason all my heavies were missing grenades as well so it's more like 50+ short of CPU. I really, really don't understand why so many suits are hard to fit out with all proto slots. I am baffled to dude. Literally baffled.
Thurak1 Psygod9 919	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:37:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: 61 Mil SP and not ONE of my Cal Heavies was okay when I fired up Dust yesterday. Most were 40ish CPU short. Which is strange, I've always put a Complex Repair on there so I won't be able to just throw a regulator on (which is what you'd think). For some reason all my heavies were missing grenades as well so it's more like 50+ short of CPU. I really, really don't understand why so many suits are hard to fit out with all proto slots. The best part is that every scout suit at same tier has more cpu / pg than the sentinal equivilent and every meduim frame... well really everyone has more right now. Its such crap what they did.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4268	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:38:00 - [33] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: 61 Mil SP and not ONE of my Cal Heavies was okay when I fired up Dust yesterday. Most were 40ish CPU short. Which is strange, I've always put a Complex Repair on there so I won't be able to just throw a regulator on (which is what you'd think). For some reason all my heavies were missing grenades as well so it's more like 50+ short of CPU. I really, really don't understand why so many suits are hard to fit out with all proto slots. I am baffled to dude. Literally baffled. And just to be sure, in Eve it's not hard to fit ships full proto (T2). But there are a lot of named mods that are found in PVE which are cheaper, lower SP req, and better than T2 mods to make it even easier to bling out a ship. I'm not sure where this weird fitting crunch thing comes from. It went from only need L2 CPU/PG skills to not even being close with maxed out fitting skills. Where's the ***** moderation there? Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:38:00 - [34] - Quote My question is. Why the hell did they do it?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4270	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:40:00 - [35] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: My question is. Why the hell did they do it? No idea, I'm hoping they say someone's cat walked on their key board and entered some of these ridic values. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:42:00 - [36] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: BIGRED 4UALL wrote: My question is. Why the hell did they do it? No idea, I'm hoping they say someone's cat walked on their key board and entered some of these ridic values. I think they have someone that doesnt speak english and he did the best he could.
Thurak1 Psygod9 919	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:58:00 - [37] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: BIGRED 4UALL wrote: My question is. Why the hell did they do it? No idea, I'm hoping they say someone's cat walked on their key board and entered some of these ridic values. Maybe it was the guy that did militia fuel injectors in 1.8 :)
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:59:00 - [38] - Quote CCP = S H I T show.
castba Merc-0107 568	Posted - 2014.08.15 10:55:00 - [39] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: castba wrote: Thurak1 wrote: So low you can only hope that you have all your skills for cpu and pg maxed and then you can fully outfit a suit with gear. Is that not the point? Best you get grinding. Read the full quote again. I did. Upgrading core skills SHOULD be the only way of using higher tier modules/weaponry on a suit. I had a ***** of a time fitting my CalSent forge as I wanted to fit pro weapon & damage on an adv suit. Had to downgrade parts of the fit out, as I should. I shouldn't be able to chuck all pro gear on an adv suit. Might have to skill FG optimisation higher to create space for other stuff.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2061	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:01:00 - [40] - Quote Yeah optimization is worth it now, so is taking heavy weapons to 5. As a side note: Caldari fits with HMGs should be easier to fit. The forge gun is the bitchtastic one, requiring more resources to load.

castba Merc-0107 569	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:13:00 - [41] - Quote Current fit: CalSent C/1 series (that's ADV for reference) Wiyrkomi Breach FG (PRO) M209 Assault SMG (ADV) Locus grenade (STD) 2x Enhanced heavy damage mods (ADV) 1x Enhanced sidearm damage mod (ADV) Enhanced armour repaired. Why are you guys crying? Core skills to 5 FG optimisation to 3 It ain't broken. How it this difficult to comprehend?
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 234	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:19:00 - [42] - Quote castba wrote: Current fit: CalSent C/1 series (that's ADV for reference) Wiyrkomi Breach FG (PRO) M209 Assault SMG (ADV) Locus grenade (STD) 2x Enhanced heavy damage mods (ADV) 1x Enhanced sidearm damage mod (ADV) Enhanced armour repaired. Why are you guys crying? Core skills to 5 FG optimisation to 3 It ain't broken. How it this difficult to comprehend? CalSent C/1 series Ishukone assault FG special Flaylock no gran 2x cmx dmg mods 1x enh recharger 1x cmx reactiveplate FG sniperfit Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 349	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:40:00 - [43] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RayRay James wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: BIGRE wrote: CCP. Really. Seriously. You give another low slot to the Amarr......... Amarr I cant even say it properly. What in the hell were you guys thinking on this one. Now my caldari heavy is useless. So people that specked into this class have no use for it anymore. What in the hell are you guys doing over there. Not thinking obviously. COME ON CCP. GET YOUR S H I T TOGETHER. MY LORD. Because Eve didn't really support this game but still wants to come around and ** on how our suits don't match their ships. Ya cool thanks, now ** off... Our ground warfare is nothing like your naval warfare. Thats what i never understood, this games been pretty balanced several times since its been out, but then ccp comes in and is all like oh no its not matching our other game about spaceships. Lets derp this game up by putting looore.This is an fps game not a spaceship game damnit. Honestly, I'm happier that their making the suits match the ships, at least then I know what I'm up against. >Missed the point that a fps lobby shooter doesn't function like a tps space rpg simulator Oh okay... It keeps causing problems, you want this game to play like Eve then let us impact Eve, otherwise screw off back to Eve with breaking our game for your convenience every patch/fix. Get of your fecking high horse. I play a LOT more dust than EVE these days, and trust me, I'd love to blast the crap out of a Titan from the ground, but that just isnt in the cards for Dust anymore. WE ARE BETA TESTING LEGION. Get that through your head. The changes and balances they're doing here are for Legion. STOP. If it means that the Amarr dropsuits actually match the military doctrine set forth in the lore of EVE, then that's a good thing. I cant for the life of me understand why that wasn't the case in the first place, but it wasn't.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 349	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:43:00 - [44] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: 61 Mil SP and not ONE of my Cal Heavies was okay when I fired up Dust yesterday. Most were 40ish CPU short. Which is strange, I've always put a Complex Repair on there so I won't be able to just throw a regulator on (which is what you'd think). For some reason all my heavies were missing grenades as well so it's more like 50+ short of CPU. I really, really don't understand why so many suits are hard to fit out with all proto slots. I am baffled to dude. Literally baffled. Because CCP doesn't want you to be ABLE to fit full proto on a suit. You're supposed to have to make a sacrifice somewhere. THAT's why they made the change. I have a nearly proto fit gal logi, but one of those lows had to be fitted with a CPU module to make it work. I had to make the conscious decision to sacrifice someplace to make the fit I wanted work. I'd much prefer to just be able to slap another complex repper there, but I cant, BY DESIGN.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 432	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:49:00 - [45] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Get of your fecking high horse. I play a LOT more dust than EVE these days, and trust me, I'd love to blast the crap out of a Titan from the ground, but that just isnt in the cards for Dust anymore. WE ARE BETA TESTING LEGION. Get that through your head. The changes and balances they're doing here are for Legion. STOP. If it means that the Amarr dropsuits actually match the military doctrine set forth in the lore of EVE, then that's a good thing. I cant for the life of me understand why that wasn't the case in the first place, but it wasn't. >Managed to miss the point again that a fps lobby shooter doesn't function like a tps space rpg simulator. Check out Cult of the Wind, its a new game that's intentionally goofy that adapts dogfighting mechanics to tps ground mechanics. You can't just copy over styles and expect them to gel, case and point Caldari suit layouts + rail weapons or Gallente suit layouts + plasma weapons. This isn't a spaceship mmo. It has nothing to do with Legion, unless Legion is going to be a game where we all fly around in space in our suits shooting at each other (IE. a pallette swap of Eve spaceships to Eve dropsuits.) I'll say it one last time then you're on your own Eve =/= Dust.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2068	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:52:00 - [46] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Because CCP doesn't want you to be ABLE to fit full proto on a suit. You're supposed to have to make a sacrifice somewhere. THAT's why they made the change. I have a nearly proto fit gal logi, but one of those lows had to be fitted with a CPU module to make it work. I had to make the conscious decision to sacrifice someplace to make the fit I wanted work. I'd much prefer to just be able to slap another complex repper there, but I cant, BY DESIGN. Oddly, this is the reason the devs cited as well. Go figure. They want fitting to be about choices. Will you sacrifice your tank for a better sidearm? Will you go for good protection and crappy backup/nades? Will you cook up some off-the wall fit that requires you to downgrade everything but your main weapon? Choices encompass more than just "Do i fit plates or KinCats at proto today? Hmmmmmmm."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2068	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:55:00 - [47] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I'll say it one last time then you're on your own Eve =/= Dust. TL;DR: I disagree with you therefore your entire opinion is invalidated. HAHAHA no. EVE Universe Lore and methodology is an important balancer for DUST. Get over it. There's more of us here than you think.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 432	Posted - 2014.08.15 12:58:00 - [48] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I'll say it one last time then you're on your own Eve =/= Dust. TL;DR: I disagree with you therefore your entire opinion is invalidated. HAHAHA no. EVE Universe Lore and methodology is an important balancer for DUST. Get over it. There's more of us here than you think. I'm well aware that you **** post. This doesn't make you right though. Troll harder.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 349	Posted - 2014.08.15 13:18:00 - [49] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RayRay James wrote: Get of your fecking high horse. I play a LOT more dust than EVE these days, and trust me, I'd love to blast the crap out of a Titan from the ground, but that just isnt in the cards for Dust anymore. WE ARE BETA TESTING LEGION. Get that through your head. The changes and balances they're doing here are for Legion. STOP. If it means that the Amarr dropsuits actually match the military doctrine set forth in the lore of EVE, then that's a good thing. I cant for the life of me understand why that wasn't the case in the first place, but it wasn't. >Managed to miss the point again that a fps lobby shooter doesn't function like a tps space rpg simulator. Check out Cult of the Wind, its a new game that's intentionally goofy that adapts dogfighting mechanics to tps ground mechanics. You can't just copy over styles and expect them to gel, case and point Caldari suit layouts + rail weapons or Gallente suit layouts + plasma weapons. This isn't a spaceship mmo. It has nothing to do with Legion, unless Legion is going to be a game where we all fly around in space in our suits shooting at each other (IE. a pallette swap of Eve spaceships to Eve dropsuits.) I'll say it one last time then you're on your own Eve =/= Dust. I'm very aware Dust and Eve are separate games. Are you to dense to see what CCPs trying to do though? You're posts would indicate you are. Why would a race, country, faction, planet.... that's spent years perfecting they're style of combat in space just abandon that work and start from scratch in a ground war? They wouldn't. Their doctrine would cross combat styles. That's all CCP is trying to do, make the ground war doctrine mesh with the space war doctrine. Caldari - long range and shields, gallente short range, repps. Mini - fast and nimble and stealthy, amarr- stand your ground and DPS (and gold). These aren't things that are unique to FPSs or RPGs. Yes, you can expect those "styles' to copy over, it just has to be done right. Which was the problem, 1.1-1.8 didn't have that parity (except maybe gallente) and now that CCPs trying to fix it, you're getting butthurt over it because your favorite suit isn't the OP killing machine it once was. Guess what, they've done the same thing to EVE players for years. Ships get nerfed, they add drone bandwidth (WTF? yes still) Ships get added that kill entire playstyles, it's their universe, we just play in it.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 349	Posted - 2014.08.15 13:20:00 - [50] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: RayRay James wrote: Because CCP doesn't want you to be ABLE to fit full proto on a suit. You're supposed to have to make a sacrifice somewhere. THAT's why they made the change. I have a nearly proto fit gal logi, but one of those lows had to be fitted with a CPU module to make it work. I had to make the conscious decision to sacrifice someplace to make the fit I wanted work. I'd much prefer to just be able to slap another complex repper there, but I cant, BY DESIGN. Oddly, this is the reason the devs cited as well. Go figure. They want fitting to be about choices. Will you sacrifice your tank for a better sidearm? Will you go for good protection and crappy backup/nades? Will you cook up some off-the wall fit that requires you to downgrade everything but your main weapon? Choices encompass more than just "Do i fit plates or KinCats at proto today? Hmmmmmmm." I know right? I hate when the developers lay out their plan for everyone to see and the follow it. (F*ck, I just agreed with a Goon.... I need a shower. )

Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 74	Posted - 2014.08.15 13:24:00 - [51] - Quote Lol how can you complain? Seriously guys you should learn to read numbers or to make a fit. With level 3 in sentinel (so not even the full cost reduction on heavy weapons) I can make a nearly full proto Minmatar sentinel (and I have dropsuit electronics to 3, engineering to 4 and core to 4, heavy weapon operation 3, no weapon optimization of any kind, so nothing awesome) : Pro shield energizer Pro damager Pro shield extender 2 Pro reactive plates Boundless HMG Scrambler pistol Flux grenades As you can see, outside the scrambler pistol and the flux grenades which are standard, everything is proto. I really don't see where is the problem. I run a boundless HMG on my STANDARD suit without screwing my entire fit and get a ratio of around 5 without a logi to support me, so if you don't manage to get decent scores maybe ask yourself if you play your sentinel the right way, because I'm not even a good sentinel. Now about sentinels having the lowest PG/CPU, have a look at a commando suit before talking. Moreover what counts is the CPU/PG available per slot, not the total CPU/PG, medium and scouts have more CPU/PG simply because they have more slots. Look (calculations are made with my skills, see above) : Minmatar sentinel : 8 slots, 350 CPU, 61 PG 43.75 CPU per slot, 7.625 PG per slot Minmatar scout : 11 slots, 438 CPU, 77 PG 39.8 CPU per slot, 7 PG per slot Minmatar assault : 12 slots, 469 CPU, 81 PG 39.1 CPU per slot, 6.75 PG per slot And decent equipment requires much more CPU/PG than grenades So really guys stop complaining and try to find what you're doing wrong


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