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Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote So Now they swing faster, do more on all but proto, Swing further, seems to lock on when attacking, and with triple damage modes I saw a Min scout one shot a heavy. Just swing and a corpse. I blew it off the first few times I saw it go down. But after like the 40th or 50th time I saw it. After like two or three games. Mind you I wasn't in person for all these just watching the kill count go nova knives like six times in a row before someone put the mad butcher down. Am I the only one seeing this or are the rest of you seeing this too? Was I seeing just poorly optimized heavies and a really optimized nova knifer or are they hitting crazy hard now?
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1706	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:13:00 - [2] - Quote We are all gank and no tank raptors. rawr. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Zindorak 1.U.P 616	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:13:00 - [3] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: So Now they swing faster, do more on all but proto, Swing further, seems to lock on when attacking, and with triple damage modes I saw a Min scout one shot a heavy. Just swing and a corpse. I blew it off the first few times I saw it go down. But after like the 40th or 50th time I saw it. After like two or three games. Mind you I wasn't in person for all these just watching the kill count go nova knives like six times in a row before someone put the mad butcher down. Am I the only one seeing this or are the rest of you seeing this too? Was I seeing just poorly optimized heavies and a really optimized nova knifer or are they hitting crazy hard now? The hit detection has been made better. Its a very good thing. I now have a favorite fit beside my Amarr Assault. ADV gal Scout Rs90 and Ishukones Pokemon master
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 171	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote I'm glad they fixed Nova Knives so well, now blueberries will HAVE to actually think, "Hmm... I better be careful, there might be a minmatar scout around the corner ready to shank me to death..." (Assuming blueberries think) Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Tebu Gan Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1148	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:19:00 - [5] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: So Now they swing faster, do more on all but proto, Swing further, seems to lock on when attacking, and with triple damage modes I saw a Min scout one shot a heavy. Just swing and a corpse. I blew it off the first few times I saw it go down. But after like the 40th or 50th time I saw it. After like two or three games. Mind you I wasn't in person for all these just watching the kill count go nova knives like six times in a row before someone put the mad butcher down. Am I the only one seeing this or are the rest of you seeing this too? Was I seeing just poorly optimized heavies and a really optimized nova knifer or are they hitting crazy hard now? No, they always hit hard, it was just incredibly difficult to make contact with them against a moving target. Considering how insanely easy it is to take a min scout out, I consider it pretty fair game! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:20:00 - [6] - Quote But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas?
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 63	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: So Now they swing faster, do more on all but proto, Swing further, seems to lock on when attacking, and with triple damage modes I saw a Min scout one shot a heavy. Just swing and a corpse. I blew it off the first few times I saw it go down. But after like the 40th or 50th time I saw it. After like two or three games. Mind you I wasn't in person for all these just watching the kill count go nova knives like six times in a row before someone put the mad butcher down. Am I the only one seeing this or are the rest of you seeing this too? Was I seeing just poorly optimized heavies and a really optimized nova knifer or are they hitting crazy hard now? Yea got in a battle seem to be there was a sqd of nothing but min scouts with Nova Knifes just shanking everybody Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0 Scout CK.0
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1706	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:25:00 - [8] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? Minja 5, nova knife prof 5, ishi knives before this fix equaled more than 1000+ damage. Add the new damage values plus 3 complex damage mods.... yep seems reasonable. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 63	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:27:00 - [9] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? Minja 5, nova knife prof 5, ishi knives before this fix equaled more than 1000+ damage. Add the new damage values plus 3 complex damage mods.... yep seems reasonable. Lol Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0 Scout CK.0
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1832	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:29:00 - [10] - Quote Guys, relax. Today is the first day of a major change to a lot of things. Let's wait a few days to see how people adapt to the new changes before we QQ about what's OP and such.

Tebu Gan Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1155	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:55:00 - [11] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? 5 percent per level to melee damage, plus the use of myos. Base damage on knives (proto) is 200. So lesser heavies it would take a full charged knife to kill but those stacked with armor take one full charged PLUS another swing after. Remotes one shot heavies, forge guns too, you know. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1712	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? 5 percent per level to melee damage, plus the use of myos. Base damage on knives (proto) is 200. So lesser heavies it would take a full charged knife to kill but those stacked with armor take one full charged PLUS another swing after. Remotes one shot heavies, forge guns too, you know. Knives aren't melee, they are a side arm so damage mods affect them. You can get 500+ damage melee with myos though on a minja. also heavies can survive a remote ( bastards) I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3244	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:17:00 - [13] - Quote FYI Minjas have been using proto knives to OHK untanked heavies for a very long time now. We are just able to take on the tanked heavies too, if they let us get that close. This is how a minja feels
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 853	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:23:00 - [14] - Quote Working as intended. Move along. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Wait wait wait. 25%+19%+15%= 59% damage boost. 200+59%=318 Then you do the multipliers. 2.267x318=720.906 uncharged damage.... kills most mediums and lights single hit uncharged. 4.978x318=1583.004 kills any heavy out there charged. even if somehow one lives all it takes is a follow up now much faster swing and bam it is done. If its good enough for a squad to wipe the floor with it using nothing but it. I think it might need looked at. I am not QQing or whatever that means. Just saying this is up there on wtf moments when it hits you.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3253	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:41:00 - [16] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Wait wait wait. 25%+19%+15%= 59% damage boost. 200+59%=318 Then you do the multipliers. 2.267x318=720.906 uncharged damage.... kills most mediums and lights single hit uncharged. 4.978x318=1583.004 kills any heavy out there charged. even if somehow one lives all it takes is a follow up now much faster swing and bam it is done. If its good enough for a squad to wipe the floor with it using nothing but it. I think it might need looked at. I am not QQing or whatever that means. Just saying this is up there on wtf moments when it hits you. Only if they get within 2.5 meters, and you are not constantly moving and checking your back(haven't played to see how aim adhesion works yet, though range could play a part too). Minjas have always been able to OHK Medium frames. I did that plenty of times, and I usually run ADV knives. You are just seeing more knifers out there because of its AV uses. Anytime you see an increase in the use of a weapon, you are going to die from it more. This is how a minja feels
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2045	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:42:00 - [17] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? I personally think they need to do more damage so that they one shot any heavy at prof 5 on a minja "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3255	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:53:00 - [18] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? I personally think they need to do more damage so that they one shot any heavy at prof 5 on a minja I think they are good. If you aren't OHKing with a charged proto knife, you need to add damage mods or something. This is how a minja feels
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 61	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:53:00 - [19] - Quote As a nova knifer for a very long time, I can tell you it's perfectly normal, nothing has really changed except that now the hit detection doesn't screw you half of the time. I've always one-hit killed every medium suits and most heavies without any damage mods. With max skills, a Min scout deals roughly 1450 damage when hitting with both knives charged, so the damage mods have nothing to do in this. The only difference they really make is when you want to hunt down vehicles with your knives (which I love doing) or the very rare times when you'll have to stabb somebody with more than 1450 HP
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2992	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: I'm glad they fixed Nova Knives so well, now blueberries will HAVE to actually think, "Hmm... I better be careful, there might be a minmatar scout around the corner ready to shank me to death..." (Assuming blueberries think) I thought they were like jellyfish or something. Don't insult the jellyfish like that!

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4255	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:03:00 - [21] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? Minja 5, nova knife prof 5, ishi knives before this fix equaled more than 1000+ damage. Add the new damage values plus 3 complex damage mods.... yep seems reasonable. I could hit a Gal Heavy with about 10% armor remaining with no damage mod pre-C Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1007	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:09:00 - [22] - Quote Well I can honestly say I thought I'd never see a Nova Knife OP thread...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3269	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:28:00 - [23] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well I can honestly say I thought I'd never see a Nova Knife OP thread... I am willing to wager it wouldn't have been a problem had there been no AV funcionality to knives. Now that they do vehicle damage, many more people are using them, right at the time they get range and adhesion. Suddenly, people are noticing more deaths, so it must be OP, it couldn't possibly the increase in knifer numbers!! This is how a minja feels
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:50:00 - [24] - Quote No mister sarcasm. Its the fact nothing lives vs them now. They lock on really well its next to impossible to get them off you. They have more range. they normal swing and charge swing faster. They do more damage and the sidearm damage mods do more. They have been massively buffed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9032	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:56:00 - [25] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: But to be able to one shot a heavy is a bit much don't you think? How big is the Min bonus to damage for the novas? We ninjas have always been able to one-hit kill a heavy most of the time for almost the whole year and so far only a few players have complained about it. In fact, most heavy users are ok with it because of they believe that if you went through all the trouble to get that close to them (2.5m is pretty damn close) then you deserve to OHK them. If you look at the numbers, only the Ishukone Nova Knives are left alone with the same 200 HP base damage (uncharged) as before. According to Protofits.com three complex damage mods will only bring the knifer's damage to about 1800 HP damage but that will require a huge investment in the suit, knives, damage mods, and not to mention a complete sacrifice of any shield mods if you want to deal maximum damage. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
mollerz 4836	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:56:00 - [26] - Quote Hey n00b OP! Welcome to dust. Just wait until you run into me Dingle Dust Berry.
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:02:00 - [27] - Quote lol and shields mater how when you use a cloak? Thats what I see 90% of them use nova knives and a cloak. plus with the new swing speed its not out of the question to take a whole squad if they are even slightly not seeing in every direction at once. the mins speed sees to that. doesn't take it but a fraction of a second to close the gap from squad member to member. We all know speed and stealth trump Ehp every time if given a OhKo weapon.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3273	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:14:00 - [28] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: lol and shields mater how when you use a cloak? Thats what I see 90% of them use nova knives and a cloak. plus with the new swing speed its not out of the question to take a whole squad if they are even slightly not seeing in every direction at once. the mins speed sees to that. doesn't take it but a fraction of a second to close the gap from squad member to member. We all know speed and stealth trump Ehp every time if given a OhKo weapon. Then why weren't you complaining before? Knives got a 0.5 m range increase. 0.5!!!!! They are not that much lethal than they used to be. Especially proto knives, which saw no damage increase. I tell you what I do see though. People on the forums posting about using knives that rarely, if ever, used them before. This is how a minja feels
mollerz 4838	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:22:00 - [29] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: lol and shields mater how when you use a cloak? Thats what I see 90% of them use nova knives and a cloak. plus with the new swing speed its not out of the question to take a whole squad if they are even slightly not seeing in every direction at once. the mins speed sees to that. doesn't take it but a fraction of a second to close the gap from squad member to member. We all know speed and stealth trump Ehp every time if given a OhKo weapon. News flash- I've killed entire squads builds ago. You think any of this is new? I'm thinking your butt hurt is strong and your transparent underhanded attempt to stir up the nerf pot with all the other cry babies is quite lame. Get good Scrublet. Use your gun. Here's a protip- backpedal and all these new knifers won't be such a problem. You can thank me with some isk at your leisure. Dingle Dust Berry.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16912	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:24:00 - [30] - Quote nova knives op pls nerf You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3286	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:49:00 - [31] - Quote Consodering all of the drawbacks of a NK fit. 1) Complete lack of eHP (270 was the best I could achieve without compromising other aspects of the fit) 2) Inabilty to charge while sprinting 3) Inabilty to charge while cloaked 4) Very poor damage on uncharged attacks 5) 2.5m absolute range (less than shotgun optimal) It's vey much a fit, where every engagement is only EVER going to go two ways. There is no retreat if you fluff it up, there is no surviving if you are spotted to early. The entire engagements outcome is determined long before that knife is even charged, all you have to do is shoot him 3 times and the majority of guns will 1 shot. Personally, if a Min Scout successfully gets behind your team and stabs them all in the back before you know what's going, then he has earned every single one of those kills. It's balanced provided you team doesn't jist play the game like it's COD. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 454	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:24:00 - [32] - Quote Minja's youll never see them but you feel the knife [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 454	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:25:00 - [33] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: nova knives op pls nerf shotgun OP needs nerf [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 841	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:27:00 - [34] - Quote They were able to do this before Charlie. I'd imagine they just have an easier time fitting triple sidearm mods now (although why you'd forego a precision enhancer is beyond me). Quite literally at pro level and proficiency 3, Minjas should be OHKOing heavies with a charged swipe. Only reason to go any higher in damage is if you don't want to charge it up. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.


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