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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.08.11 07:37:00 -
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Why?
Because there is obviously 0 communication amongst any of their company regarding Dust.
During my ban,someone made an unwise suggestion about increasing light weapon cpu/pg to essentially nerf logistics to sidearms only...
While in the same thread the hypocrites bragged about having AV logi fits,which if that suggestion is inacted would effectively make it impossible to do anymore.
Yet no one mentioned increasing cpu/pg of equipment by 35% and boosting logistics reduction,which would effectively nerf all other classes into support or killing.
The person suggesting this would probably be all for the weapon increase because 'screw logistics',yet would fight an equipment increase because 'it's unbalanced'.
Give and take CCP,if you're going to take our weapon,we DEMAND you take their equipment.
But that isn't the worst part... The worst part is that in the Legion keynote about the skill tree said logistics were to be able to be demolitions,required for unlocking the MD.
And Dust will carry over to Legion,so if cpu/pg of weapons increases it destroys the future tech tree that has already been planned out,which could cost CCP funds and valuable man hours to fix.
This is why i feel sorry for CCP,to appease the tweeds who play now they are more than willing to destroy their future. And be proven yet again that they aren't trustworthy enough to follow the plans that they have already announced.
inb4 10 years on consoles,laser focused
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
191
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Posted - 2014.08.11 08:30:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Why?
Because there is obviously 0 communication amongst any of their company regarding Dust.
During my ban,someone made an unwise suggestion about increasing light weapon cpu/pg to essentially nerf logistics to sidearms only...
While in the same thread the hypocrites bragged about having AV logi fits,which if that suggestion is inacted would effectively make it impossible to do anymore.
Yet no one mentioned increasing cpu/pg of equipment by 35% and boosting logistics reduction,which would effectively nerf all other classes into support or killing.
The person suggesting this would probably be all for the weapon increase because 'screw logistics',yet would fight an equipment increase because 'it's unbalanced'.
Give and take CCP,if you're going to take our weapon,we DEMAND you take their equipment.
But that isn't the worst part... The worst part is that in the Legion keynote about the skill tree said logistics were to be able to be demolitions,required for unlocking the MD.
And Dust will carry over to Legion,so if cpu/pg of weapons increases it destroys the future tech tree that has already been planned out,which could cost CCP funds and valuable man hours to fix.
This is why i feel sorry for CCP,to appease the tweeds who play now they are more than willing to destroy their future. And be proven yet again that they aren't trustworthy enough to follow the plans that they have already announced.
inb4 10 years on consoles,laser focused
Seems you are sore about something ?
Minmatar logi <3
Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally
Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.08.11 08:53:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Why?
Because there is obviously 0 communication amongst any of their company regarding Dust.
During my ban,someone made an unwise suggestion about increasing light weapon cpu/pg to essentially nerf logistics to sidearms only...
While in the same thread the hypocrites bragged about having AV logi fits,which if that suggestion is inacted would effectively make it impossible to do anymore.
Yet no one mentioned increasing cpu/pg of equipment by 35% and boosting logistics reduction,which would effectively nerf all other classes into support or killing.
The person suggesting this would probably be all for the weapon increase because 'screw logistics',yet would fight an equipment increase because 'it's unbalanced'.
Give and take CCP,if you're going to take our weapon,we DEMAND you take their equipment.
But that isn't the worst part... The worst part is that in the Legion keynote about the skill tree said logistics were to be able to be demolitions,required for unlocking the MD.
And Dust will carry over to Legion,so if cpu/pg of weapons increases it destroys the future tech tree that has already been planned out,which could cost CCP funds and valuable man hours to fix.
This is why i feel sorry for CCP,to appease the tweeds who play now they are more than willing to destroy their future. And be proven yet again that they aren't trustworthy enough to follow the plans that they have already announced.
inb4 10 years on consoles,laser focused You being funny right now..... Right?
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
386
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:23:00 -
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Eeeerrrrmmmm...... What?! |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11624
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:37:00 -
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That would be me.
U mad?
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11624
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:39:00 -
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Oh and it wasn't targeted specifically at Logis but butthurt is butthurt
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4232
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:49:00 -
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They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11624
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Posted - 2014.08.11 10:52:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus.
Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules.
Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative.
In which case reduce all equipment(nanite clusters, repair tool repair/per sec and range, RE quantity carried, etc.etc.) and give a bonus to all thing mentioned when on logis bringing it up to normal levels, making it still useful for logis and almost useless for anything else.
You get your guns, and we stay required on the battle field
If you you disagree with this then I'm taking you to the vet to get fixed o' feline overlord.
I'm here to drop links and rep bitches, and I'm just about outta links.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5381
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:22:00 -
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No. I can have my cake and eat it too.
Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11628
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:05:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative. In which case reduce all equipment(nanite clusters, repair tool repair/per sec and range, RE quantity carried, etc.etc.) and give a bonus to all thing mentioned when on logis bringing it up to normal levels, making it still useful for logis and almost useless for anything else. You get your guns, and we stay required on the battle field If you you disagree with this then I'm taking you to the vet to get fixed o' feline overlord. Whatever. I wouldn't object to that, but when 1 logi = 4 assaults in equipment, are you really any less required on the battlefield?
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative. In which case reduce all equipment(nanite clusters, repair tool repair/per sec and range, RE quantity carried, etc.etc.) and give a bonus to all thing mentioned when on logis bringing it up to normal levels, making it still useful for logis and almost useless for anything else. You get your guns, and we stay required on the battle field If you you disagree with this then I'm taking you to the vet to get fixed o' feline overlord. Whatever. I wouldn't object to that, but when 1 logi = 4 assaults in equipment, are you really any less required on the battlefield?
No but I understand what a logis role on the battlefield is, on my proto suit is run a basic mass driver only because they won't let me put the repair tool in my light weapon slot(give me a rep tool that heals friendlies and kills enemies). However I am tired of people still acting like logistics are the gods of the battlefield that were slayer logis and continue to call for nerfs.
I'm here to drop links and rep bitches, and I'm just about outta links.
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Meee One
1.U.P
975
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative. In which case reduce all equipment(nanite clusters, repair tool repair/per sec and range, RE quantity carried, etc.etc.) and give a bonus to all thing mentioned when on logis bringing it up to normal levels, making it still useful for logis and almost useless for anything else. You get your guns, and we stay required on the battle field If you you disagree with this then I'm taking you to the vet to get fixed o' feline overlord. Whatever. I wouldn't object to that, but when 1 logi = 4 assaults in equipment, are you really any less required on the battlefield?
Less required isn't the problem,it's less able to survive.
After all everyone knows a dead logi is a useless logi.
So, you can take our 1 weapon,but it'll cost your 1 equipment. Fair trade is a fair trade.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:41:00 -
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Meee One wrote:
Less required isn't the problem,it's less able to survive.
After all everyone knows a dead logi is a useless logi.
So, you can take our 1 weapon,but it'll cost your 1 equipment. Fair trade is a fair trade.
I would agree however that is just nerfing both suits, not trading anything I.E. not trading a plus for a minus, all you are doing is saying suit A now can't use light weapons and suit B now has to give up an equipment slot equaling a total of logis with a -1 change and assaults with -1 change totaling -2 overall to the battlefield.
I know yours was a kneejerk reaction but please lets first try and save and possibly improve (by making it better at supporting) the logi suit and keep emotions for the most part out of it. I love my role on the battlefield and if this isn't played correctly to everyone's benefit then **** it, I'm leaving this game because I will never get a respec if the logistics class is destroyed.
I'm here to drop links and rep bitches, and I'm just about outta links.
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Meee One
1.U.P
975
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:56:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:Meee One wrote:
Less required isn't the problem,it's less able to survive.
After all everyone knows a dead logi is a useless logi.
So, you can take our 1 weapon,but it'll cost your 1 equipment. Fair trade is a fair trade.
I would agree however that is just nerfing both suits, not trading anything I.E. not trading a plus for a minus, all you are doing is saying suit A now can't use light weapons and suit B now has to give up an equipment slot equaling a total of logis with a -1 change and assaults with -1 change totaling -2 overall to the battlefield. I know yours was a kneejerk reaction but please lets first try and save and possibly improve (by making it better at supporting) the logi suit and keep emotions for the most part out of it. I love my role on the battlefield and if this isn't played correctly to everyone's benefit then **** it, I'm leaving this game because I will never get a respec if the logistics class is destroyed. What i'm saying isn't knee jerk,it's the most reasonable reply someone can give.
They love to use a certain "s" word when it comes to getting kills...yet they leave out another equally important "s" word.
Support.
If my weapon is getting nerfed from a basic CR to a SMG,why should you be able to equip anything but basic gear?
Afterall you're not support,you shouldn't be using needles/rep tools or refilling ammo. You should be killing things.
Only supporters should be supporting,and EVERY other class should be HEAVILY reliant upon them.
Which is the major problem with scouts being better than assaults,because even assaults require logis to a degree.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
192
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative.
So OP got upset because you implied his logi would be better off with a sidearm ?
Minmatar logi <3
Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally
Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
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Meee One
1.U.P
975
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:02:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:They are increasing light weapon CPU/PG?
If so please link feedback thread No, that was a suggestion of mine. Increase light weapon CPU/PG, give assaults and commandos a corresponding fitting reduction bonus. Heavies and lights wanting to fit light weapons would have to make sacrifices by either not using a proto light weapon, or downgrading their modules. Sidearms become a useful low CPU/PG alternative. So OP got upset because you implied his logi would be better off with a sidearm ? OP got upset because it's another senseless nerf to an already gimped class.
OP got upset because it's 'ok' to nerf the support class' defensiveness,yet no one would ever consider nerfing the killing classes supporting abilities.
OP got upset because it's pure hypocrisy.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
409
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:01:00 -
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min logi core L4 cpu/pg L3 i fit fill advanced equipment(L4*) extenders, plates, nades,repper, BK-42(adv Fullauto CR)
* loadouts are typically the same save 1..
-Rez Rep Drop -Rez Rep Hive
but my ambush setup -Rez Drop(-8% time modifer uplink) Hive(armor repper one) does suck up my PG and CPU but i still fit it all fine.. your problem is maybe caldari (lower pg) or amarr(fitting sidearm too)
but i do somewhat agree with you on fittings..
Logistic dropsuits as a whole need a buff as Charlie Assaults will just walk over even proto level bricked logi suits.. think amarr assault will have 1600 full complex EHP fit thats gonna be like 1.5x to 2x more ehp then logi.
to combat this massive OP FOTM EHP... ALL LOGI NEED SIDEARMS! and a slight buff to CPU and PG to compensate aswell as a slight EHP buff to shield and armor.. maybe passive armor reps? so we can fit that extra plate for a whole 110-130 more EHP
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
409
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:03:00 -
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PS.
assault SMG uses as much CPU and PG as light weapons and even more in some cases.. woudl just herald full armor logi with sidearm damage moduals+smg (or magsec) just to keep up
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